Cancelled Next-Gen Titles [Archive]

Sazime

08-04-2006, 04:21 PM

Not that it's too fair of a comparison out of the gate, this site has an interesting look at what console specific and cross platform next-gen games that have been cancelled thus far (http://www.technophilia.org/2006/07/list-of-cancelled-ps3-games.html).

Oh yeah, forgot to mention: most of these are PS3 titles.

It is no secret that the PS3 is a difficult development platform. The HD era of games requires a large investment in time and money. A bad game will incur huge losses, so some cancellations are necessary. What games have been cancelled and why are developers avoiding the PS3?
Found the list via Extra Life (http://www.myextralife.com).

No, I couldn't let a day go by without any negative PS3 press, but I'm still buying one.

Manzy

08-04-2006, 06:53 PM

Wow, I never really believed that "the ps3 is WAY too hard to develop for" deal, but I'm begining to have my suspiciouns. Will the blind, mass user-base help Sony like it has in the past?

Arphahat

08-04-2006, 07:12 PM

The release of the PS3 is still so far off that any talk about which games are or are not available is meaningless. When it finally comes on the market, then it is time to look at the games available and the actual, real price.

Until then, how can anyone make a decision as to whether he or she will buy one or not?

Mr.Condescension

08-04-2006, 07:13 PM

ElPresidente

08-04-2006, 07:16 PM

The Playstation has never won any awards for ease of development (as far as general consensus goes, I'm not a developer so what would I know?) so the addition of HD without a simplification of design does not bode well.

Nonetheless the immense popularity of the playstation brand will mean a lot of developers are going to be willing to take risks on the extra costs regardless.

I'm still looking forward to picking a PS3 up though, I'm a technophile. :P

Karas

08-04-2006, 07:21 PM

Man that Killing Day demo from last years E3 looked amazing to bad its cancelled...one less reason to buy a PS3...wait how many are left!?!

Chang3

08-04-2006, 07:22 PM

Gam3s that I n3v3r r3ally car3 in the first plac3.
L3t th3m b3 canc3ll3d.

thecrazyd

08-04-2006, 07:30 PM

Gam3s that I n3v3r r3ally car3 in the first plac3.
L3t th3m b3 canc3ll3d.
Can we get this fucker banned? Seriously, there is no fucking excuse for that.

ElPresidente

08-04-2006, 07:39 PM

Dear God. He does it in several of his posts.

I'm getting the ph34r. :(

Sazime

08-04-2006, 07:49 PM

The release of the PS3 is still so far off that any talk about which games are or are not available is meaningless.
But does it still stand that the 360 has had less titles cancelled back when it was released? I don't think this list just covers the last year, it covers from before either console launched. Remember when things were announced and followed up on the 360? Now they are being dropped for the PS3.
Can we get this fucker banned? Seriously, there is no fucking excuse for that.
Yes there is. Being a fucker.

Chang3

08-04-2006, 07:55 PM

Can we get this fucker banned? Seriously, there is no fucking excuse for that.

List3n man, th3r3s nothing to be pissed about my gr3at id3a changing som3 of th3 l3tt3rs to 3's.

thecrazyd

08-04-2006, 08:06 PM

Reported. Man I hope you get banned.

Xenkylm

08-04-2006, 08:08 PM

List3n man, th3r3s nothing to be pissed about my gr3at id3a changing som3 of th3 l3tt3rs to 3's.

oh man, i remember when i was 12 too. good times.

/by the way, it looks like there are penises all over your text. 3's always look like hairy balls when you sub them in.

chowweekly

08-04-2006, 08:13 PM

Gam3s that I n3v3r r3ally car3 in the first plac3.
L3t th3m b3 canc3ll3d.

You need to Chang3 your gimmik.

Johan

08-04-2006, 08:44 PM

Don't worry, Sony fans; who needs new titles? You've got 100% BC *cough-cough-retch*

bapenguin

08-04-2006, 08:51 PM

List3n man, th3r3s nothing to be pissed about my gr3at id3a changing som3 of th3 l3tt3rs to 3's.

This is your official warning. Stop with the 3 shit. It's lame and childish.

eth3rton

08-04-2006, 09:00 PM

This is your official warning. Stop with the 3 shit. It's lame and childish.

You should probably reword that because alot of members here are lame & childish Bap.... :D

Vermillion

08-04-2006, 09:06 PM

OMG Chang3, you just got served!

*crosses arms, bends head and slouches joyously awaiting either the retort of 3's that gets him banned, or his utter complaince showing him being BAP's beotch*

Hopefully the above asshattery doesn't make me the first donating member to get banned :)

PacerDawn

08-04-2006, 09:11 PM

No, I couldn't let a day go by without any negative PS3 press, but I'm still buying one.
This is why manufacturers continue to boost prices. Hey, if people keep buying them, why go lower? Lets crank that sucker up another notch!

Sony is basically setting the price point for Blu-Ray/PSP. The Sony faithful will buy them. Others will eventually get used to the price and buy them. Then Sony can just sit there and rake in the cash.

Gaming Steve said it best. Why do CD's cost so much more than cassettes, when cassettes cost MORE to make? Answer: Because publishers can charge more and people will pay it.

Just like the PS3 apparently.

Vermillion

08-04-2006, 09:20 PM

Capitalism is a bitch ain't it :)

Chang3

08-04-2006, 09:42 PM

what did I do?

Sazime

08-04-2006, 09:53 PM

This is why manufacturers continue to boost prices. Hey, if people keep buying them, why go lower? Lets crank that sucker up another notch!

Sony is basically setting the price point for Blu-Ray/PSP. The Sony faithful will buy them. Others will eventually get used to the price and buy them. Then Sony can just sit there and rake in the cash.

Gaming Steve said it best. Why do CD's cost so much more than cassettes, when cassettes cost MORE to make? Answer: Because publishers can charge more and people will pay it.

Just like the PS3 apparently.
Capitalism is a bitch ain't it :)
Yes vermy, yes it is.

I really look at the PS3 like this, it will be a $600 Blu-ray player. That's what they want me to think, I know. And yes, currently HD seems to have a visual leg up. But all and all, Blu-ray is going to have capacity that HD cannot support. For me, that's a big deal. The other part it, I'm and A/V whore. I have a 360 as well. When the HD-DVD attachment comes out, I can see myself buying it, unless it's over $200.

And good 'ol Gaming Steve. Yeah, he has a point, but like vermy said, Capitalism is a bitch.

Vermillion

08-04-2006, 10:00 PM

Sazime, you are the baby suckeling at the teet of capitalism :)

Sazime

08-04-2006, 10:15 PM

Sazime, you are the baby suckeling at the teet of capitalism :)
Dude, that shit is tasty.

Xenkylm

08-04-2006, 10:29 PM

Why do CD's cost so much more than cassettes, when cassettes cost MORE to make? Answer: Because publishers can charge more and people will pay it.

But keep in mind that the high price of CDs led to the mp3-stealing extravaganza of the late 90's (and beyond). And it also led to iTunes being a huge success: sell the same thing for substantially less.

I don't have an HDTV, but if I did, I'd be in the market for a PS3 if bluray was really that cool (and hey, maybe it is). Thing is, by the time I have enough money for an HDTV (a BIG one, not just a crummy 23-incher), either bluray players will be cheaper, or the PS3 will be cheaper. Capitalism is only a bitch if you're an early adopter ;)

LogainAblar

08-04-2006, 10:33 PM

Almost all of those fall into one of 3 categories:

1) Never actually planned on PS3 (ex. Theisis)

2) Cancelled on all platforms (ex. Endless Saga,)

3) Planned for release before the PS3 launches (Splinter Cell, Oblivion, Criminal Origins)

A pretty stupid list, all told. Even Smackdown is coming to the PS3 in '08, so that's just a timing issue as well.

Endless saga was apparently a PS3 exclusive, so while stating that it was "cancelled on all platforms" is technically correct, it's a bit misleading.

Not a stupid list, but it certainly doesn't lend credence to any rumors or speculation. The only conclusion I can draw is that these publishers have deemed a PS3 version not worth the risk.

AversionFX

08-05-2006, 01:06 AM

I have to read one article of bad Sony news everyday otherwise I can't get an erection.

thecrazyd

08-05-2006, 01:35 AM

what did I do?
You posted in the manner of a total fucking idiot.

bean19

08-05-2006, 05:01 AM

I have to read one article of bad Sony news everyday otherwise I can't get an erection.

lol.

More on subject, I don't think that the PS3 being difficult to program for is the only reason why these aren't doing well, as far as that goes, it's really just a matter of giving engineers more time to learn the hardware and alter the code. Expensive, but doable, and certainly companies like Ubisoft need to do it anyway for future projects.

They also may have been cancelled for the PS3 because it comes out later than expected and it doesn't make sense to release on the PS3 as well if you don't have the marketing budget necessary to promote both release dates. Or they could have lost funding, or they could have ran away after the high cost of the PS3 and the reports of slow production have led analysts to predict a relatively small initial userbase for the PS3.

The point being that game projects usually get cancelled because the people paying for them think they aren't going to make money and they don't want to throw good money after bad.

Oh, and as far as like Scarface goes. I think after the 360's launch they may have put a nix on people simply upgrading the resolution of current-gen games and porting them to the 360. We all know how much everyone hated that crap.

dorkandproudofit

08-05-2006, 05:11 AM

You posted in the manner of a total fucking idiot.

:(

DAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMNNNN!!!!!

That's what I call a total burn! Way to go, CrazyD. :D

bitwise

08-05-2006, 05:26 AM

lol.

More on subject, I don't think that the PS3 being difficult to program for is the only reason why these aren't doing well, as far as that goes, it's really just a matter of giving engineers more time to learn the hardware and alter the code. Expensive, but doable, and certainly companies like Ubisoft need to do it anyway for future projects.

From what I understand, the PS3's architecture is so radically different from any conventional architecture that it may not just be a matter of having more time to learn what to do. Multiprocessor systems are certainly not "solved" in computer science. There are a ton of issues that you have to deal with when creating such a system, and each setup will inevitablt have its drawbacks and bottlenecks. I'm talking about bottlenecks like "the few centimeters the current has to travel between processors actually represents a significantly dangerous slowdown."

Long story short, there is still major research being done in this area of compsci. Any joker can get GCC, fire it up and compile a game for Windows or Linux, but with the PS3, it sounds like programmers are going to have to play an entirely new and (most importantly) not well-understood ballgame. From the way it sounds to me, the game developers are going to be the ones doing the research necessary to make games on such a radically different architecture. I would not underestimate the costs connected with reaping the benefits of having 7 processors, as some of the problems they are likely to run into may have incredibly obtuse solutions, or none at all.

As a programmer, I'm glad I'm not being made to tackle those problems.

01010

08-05-2006, 05:52 AM

Capitalism is only a bitch if you're an early adopter ;)

Or one of the couple of billion people that have only $2 per day to live on...

fiercey

08-05-2006, 08:10 AM

Did anyone read the "Digg This" link at the bottom of that page? It leads to their bulletin board on the subject.

Anyway, I was reading and thinking damn the childish hostilities there among everyone, and you don't really see that much here. Then I read Chang3's retard post, which I'm thinking he would fit right in over there on Digg.

-f

anakin876

08-05-2006, 09:35 AM

what did I do?

you can be an idiot on this board -but you have to write like an adult who has gotten over some of the sillier aspects of the idiot internet. Leet speak is not accepted here. One 3 for E in your name isn't a big deal - but when you write everything that way people tend to get annoyed - because they expect EvAv to be a cut above the rest of the internet.

Xenkylm

08-05-2006, 09:51 AM

Or one of the couple of billion people that have only $2 per day to live on...

i doubt they would complain about the cost of the Ps3, though ;)
/$2 per day is a lot if everything costs a penny ::turns blind eye to world's problems::

PacerDawn

08-05-2006, 09:58 AM

I really look at the PS3 like this, it will be a $600 Blu-ray player.
Blu-ray players are currently new, so they cost a LOT more than they should (just like DVD players did when they first came out). Their prices will drop, probably well below the cost of a PS3. Also, Sony still hasn't shown they can make a proper game console/media player combo.

And there is still the big question as to whether Blu-ray technology will even take off. Based on Sony's track record for introducing new media formats, I'd be very sceptical.

bean19

08-05-2006, 10:20 AM

bitwise - Still that idea doesn't hold as much water to me as the other ones. Realistically, it isn't the software engineers who are making a decision on whether or not to continue a project. They may be reporting back to the producers that the hardware is a bitch to code for and that they can't say how long it will take to figure all of it out - THAT might be one factor. . . but I was really more focused on presenting the OTHER factors that could be a part of this: Projected slow adoption of the very expensive PS3, and the delay causing problems with marketing for cross-platform titles. Those two things could also have been huge factors in the decision to cancel so many PS3 titles.

Thenetcase

08-05-2006, 10:24 AM

Sazime

08-05-2006, 11:03 AM

Blu-ray players are currently new, so they cost a LOT more than they should (just like DVD players did when they first came out).... Based on Sony's track record for introducing new media formats, I'd be very sceptical.
Oh, I see. Using logic now are we? Well damnitt, I'll have none of that! No way!

The PS2 was the first (and only non PC) DVD player I owned. This was back when a DVD player of similiar function cost ~$200. As far as media formats go, everyone is taking a risk on HD and Blu-Ray. I really wish there was a was to combine both formats early, but the best we can hope for is that five years down the road we'll see combined players.

Oddmaker

08-05-2006, 11:35 AM

Man that Killing Day demo from last years E3 looked amazing to bad its cancelled...one less reason to buy a PS3...wait how many are left!?!
Yeah that was a shame :(

Eran Hawke

08-05-2006, 02:59 PM

PS3 may be the most powerful platform ever, but if it does not make business sense to make games fot it, then it is bad business.

rv_el

08-05-2006, 04:12 PM

A pretty stupid list, all told. Even Smackdown is coming to the PS3 in '08, so that's just a timing issue as well.

Yeah if you concider 2 friends of mine and the rest of an entire team laid off only to come back and apply at the same company for their own jobs back (on other teams/games) a "timing issue". Sure the IP of course lives on, its f-ing WWF, but this particular game was canned. It was too much for them to handle, they aimed too high, and everything was canned. I can think of many canned games that i know of (back stories) that if they came out later i would not concider them "timing issues". atleast not from a developer standpoint.

i can't believe i registered to post this. i told myself i wasn't going to read threads.

MoJoBehaumat

08-05-2006, 04:16 PM

PS3 may be the most powerful platform ever, but if it does not make business sense to make games fot it, then it is bad business.

Do you really think that Sony built a console that is impossible to develop for? I mean who did Sony co-develop the proccesor with?

Xenkylm

08-05-2006, 05:45 PM

Yeah if you concider 2 friends of mine and the rest of an entire team laid off only to come back and apply at the same company for their own jobs back (on other teams/games) a "timing issue".

mmm.... cider...

You're right of course. We whine about getting games a few months or years later, but people DO lose their jobs over this sometimes. It's a nasty industry to be in (I have some friends at EA), but all the more reason to want the industry to expand. It's not just about there being more games, it's about people in the gaming industry _staying_ in the gaming industry. I'll take a veteran game developer over a freshly hired college student any day. Too much turnover, and you end up with Everquest 2

aversion2k

08-05-2006, 08:12 PM

PS3 may be the most powerful platform ever, but if it does not make business sense to make games fot it, then it is bad business.

I thought pc was still the most powerful. Well, if its not then just give it a month or 2

Bishop

08-05-2006, 09:36 PM

List3n man, th3r3s nothing to be pissed about my gr3at id3a changing som3 of th3 l3tt3rs to 3's.

Maybe you should change all your "L's" or "I's" to ones as well.

Bishop

08-05-2006, 09:52 PM

I love how PS3 people whine and bitch about this stuff.

If the PS3 was really that supperior to everything, they'd just sit smugly by and say "wait and see" instead of getting their fucking panties in a wad and crying like a bunch of little girls.

Fucking idiot fanboys suck balls.

-TNC-

PS~ I'm referring to PS3 fanboys as Hoovers from now on... since they suck.

Just because someone gets disappointed about a game being cancelled on a particular system doesn't necessarily mean that they are Fanboys for that system. I'd be crushed if they announced that Gears of War or even Mass Effect was cancelled, but that doesn't make me a XBOX 360 Fanboy. I'd be equally disappointed if they cancelled God of War 2 or Final Fantasy XII, still doesn't make me a Fanboy, What it does make me is a gamer. Unlike people like you that places someones disappointment in the cancellation of a game in the Fanboy catergory. It's time for you to stop sucking your own balls and get a life, maybe if you're good mommy and daddy might get you a PS3 for christmas and then you can become a Fanboy too.

jwbxx

08-05-2006, 11:21 PM

As long as mgs4 is still in development everything is ok.

Johan

08-05-2006, 11:24 PM

I'd like to know how this list compares to a list of cancelled titles at this stage of the last generation of consoles...and what percentage of titles being developed have been cancelled at this point for this generation, and at a similar point in the last one. This could very well be typical. I'd love to compare it to something solid/tangible.

Commissar Rob

08-06-2006, 07:58 AM

by the way, it looks like there are penises all over your text. 3's always look like hairy balls when you sub them in.

Eewwwwwwwwwww. Thanks a ton, now every time I see PS3....gah! The image won't leave my brain!

Sazime

08-06-2006, 08:48 AM

Just because someone gets disappointed about a game being cancelled on a particular system doesn't necessarily mean that they are Fanboys for that system.
Great point. Personally, I've never been a "fanboy" for any system, other than my Coleco. Fuckers can't beat Donkey Kong on that bad boy. You just can't.
Eewwwwwwwwwww. Thanks a ton, now every time I see PS3....gah! The image won't leave my brain!
PSBalls. Great. That's how I'm going to ask for it when I get one, "Hey, could you hand me one of those PSBalls? Do you have any of the testicle packs left? Thanks."

MoJoBehaumat

08-06-2006, 09:17 AM

As long as mgs4 is still in development everything is ok.
To me I was never really a big fan of the Metel Gear games for the PS2, my main complaint, those akward damn controls. Have you tried playing Snake Eater Online, man what a POS :(
So maybe the best thing the series needs is a revamped control schems, becase as it stands it reminds me of Tomb Raider ;)
You Hear that Kojima....fix those damn controls... :)

Thenetcase

08-06-2006, 01:25 PM

Just because someone gets disappointed about a game being cancelled on a particular system doesn't necessarily mean that they are Fanboys for that system. I'd be crushed if they announced that Gears of War or even Mass Effect was cancelled, but that doesn't make me a XBOX 360 Fanboy. I'd be equally disappointed if they cancelled God of War 2 or Final Fantasy XII, still doesn't make me a Fanboy, What it does make me is a gamer. Unlike people like you that places someones disappointment in the cancellation of a game in the Fanboy catergory. It's time for you to stop sucking your own balls and get a life, maybe if you're good mommy and daddy might get you a PS3 for christmas and then you can become a Fanboy too.

I would be disapointed if my favorite game was cancelled. Hell, I don't think that a game being cancelled really shows that a console will or will not be successful. It's not about that. It's about Sony trying to force the consumers to believe they want something, even if it doesn't mean shit.

The PS3 is over priced for what you get and BluRay is retarded. Most people don't even own a TV capable of showing the difference between BluRay and HD!

So that's why I hate PS3 fanboys. The console in action is going to be no better than the xBox360 (which is also overpriced) but yet the PS3 will cost even more. WTF kind of marketting is that?

-TNC-

Bishop

08-06-2006, 04:18 PM

I would be disapointed if my favorite game was cancelled. Hell, I don't think that a game being cancelled really shows that a console will or will not be successful. It's not about that. It's about Sony trying to force the consumers to believe they want something, even if it doesn't mean shit.

The PS3 is over priced for what you get and BluRay is retarded. Most people don't even own a TV capable of showing the difference between BluRay and HD!

So that's why I hate PS3 fanboys. The console in action is going to be no better than the xBox360 (which is also overpriced) but yet the PS3 will cost even more. WTF kind of marketting is that?

-TNC-

I think it's smart marketting in a sense, because Sony knows that their fan-base is such that no matter what price (within reason) they put on the PS3 their fans will gobble it up, just because its a Playstation and a Sony product.

MoJoBehaumat

08-06-2006, 04:33 PM

They need to go ahead and cancel Wii Orcestra ;)

kickmybum

08-06-2006, 05:28 PM

you can be an idiot on this board -but you have to write like an adult who has gotten over some of the sillier aspects of the idiot internet. Leet speak is not accepted here. One 3 for E in your name isn't a big deal - but when you write everything that way people tend to get annoyed - because they expect EvAv to be a cut above the rest of the internet.

I don't think his stupid gimmick is that bad and should result in a banning, that's being more of a dick that he is. People can choose not to read his posts and its fine, no headaches. Besides, I have yet to see him post something meaningful anyways.