Saints Row (X360) Demo Released

[Norse]

Major Nelson (http://www.majornelson.com) reveals that the demo of Saints Row has now been released on Marketplace:

Time to get Canonized, gain respect and clean up the Row.
Xbox Live members can now download a demo for ‘Saints Row’ from the Xbox Live Marketplace.

This free demo is available in all Xbox Live regions except Germany and Mexico.

I'm eager to find out what people think of this GTA look-a-like

Editor: Thanks ProfPuppet for a duplicate submission.

[Heretic Machine]

Awesome, I was hoping this would be coming out today.

[Kelegacy]

I need to see what this is like. I won't be able to try this out until late tonight, so people hurry up and post your impressions.

Then again, people posted their impressions about Nintey-Nine Nights and heralded it. When I played it I found everyone who said positive things was a fucking idiot.

[Heretic Machine]

I need to see what this is like. I won't be able to try this out until late tonight, so people hurry up and post your impressions.

Then again, people posted their impressions about Nintey-Nine Nights and heralded it. When I played it I found everyone who said positive things was a fucking idiot.

You found people who said positive things about NNN? Pretty much everyone I've talked to said it was boring. I'll post my impressions of Saint's Row ASAP... Download takes forever though.

[BleedTheFreak]

I played the demo a week ago when I got it on disc for pre-ordering it. It's actually an incredible demo, I think the game itself will be quite the treat, depending on how many little extras are in the game (seems like quite a lot).

On www.xboxyde.com there are some gameplay movies being made thanks to one of the moderators of that site having a preivew copy of the game, and he's really enjoying it (and he didn't like GTA, he says). The gameplay movies he put up really look like a lot of fun.

My favorite touch was when I hit an oncoming car head on, and the rag-doll physics had the driver smash through his wind-shield and crumple-roll into the street. Even better, when I hit something going fast enough, *I* flew through the windshield of my own vehicle. That was classy!

[peeweejd]

I got the demo from OXM. I had a lot of fun with it. I ran over a pedestrian at one point and the guy got stuck in my back window and was ragdoll flopping around as I was driving around the city.

It VERY gta like, except the aiming is like a typical 3rd person shooter (free aiming control instead of "locking on").

This demo is highly recomended.

[Shjinta]

I got the demo last week myself in OXM. Its fairly good but i think it was a mistake to release a demo that's PRE-E3.. the Demo shows its age in many areas. Most of you will most likely give this game bad rep from the start without knowing how old the Build is. And yes the Marketplace version is the same as the OXM version.

pros:

-Ragdoll was implimented nicely.. there are some issues which i hope were worked out by now
-Car dynamics is nice but i find the handling a bit off.
-Car explosions are really nice, after the cut bursts into flames and sends pieces of debris everywhere the card falls to the ground on fire, cool to watch.
-Voice acting a nice touch makes the player feel more involved

Cons
-Frame rate. Now normally if someone complained about frame rate after blowing up Ten cars on the screen, i'd smack them. In this case you'll notice considerable drops in the framerate just by walking around.(I blame the age of the build)
-Not enough options for the custom character mode. I mean i know its a demo but you can only change parts of the face, a few hairstyles and his build.. thats it
-Not enough weapons for a demo. I would have like to see at least two more different types of weapons to guage the game a bit better
-Disappearing cars.. After getting 3 symbols of a certain gang, and 3 stars from the cops I managed to get into quite the shootout, but i noticed that after there was 4-5 cars very near me one would disappear suddenly. Now this a weird but or by design but it really doesn't help when the car that disappears is the one you're currently using as cover!

At the top of my head these are the main issues i had with the demo. I still play the demo regularly so i'm in no means a hater of the game, These are just small issues i'd like to see fixed in the final build.

[Goronmon]

Will definately have to check this out after work.

[BleedTheFreak]

Cons
-Frame rate. Now normally if someone complained about frame rate after blowing up Ten cars on the screen, i'd smack them. In this case you'll notice considerable drops in the framerate just by walking around.(I blame the age of the build)
-Not enough options for the custom character mode. I mean i know its a demo but you can only change parts of the face, a few hairstyles and his build.. thats it
-Not enough weapons for a demo. I would have like to see at least two more different types of weapons to guage the game a bit better
-Disappearing cars.. After getting 3 symbols of a certain gang, and 3 stars from the cops I managed to get into quite the shootout, but i noticed that after there was 4-5 cars very near me one would disappear suddenly. Now this a weird but or by design but it really doesn't help when the car that disappears is the one you're currently using as cover!

I think a lot of your cons are from it being a demo, not a finished product, not?

[TRiLoGY]

cool, im looking forward to trying this tonight :)

[crunchymonkey]

I had the OXM disk last week too and the game is a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to this game.

[jeffool]

How about cars? Do they auto-magically explode when they flip over? That was one beautiful moment about True Crime. I realized I could just knock the car 'back' over, and keep driving it!

[Reanimated]

I need to see what this is like. I won't be able to try this out until late tonight, so people hurry up and post your impressions.

Then again, people posted their impressions about Nintey-Nine Nights and heralded it. When I played it I found everyone who said positive things was a fucking idiot.




Hey guys, Kelegacy didn't like an Xbox game... who's shocked? :eek:

Anyone want to place bets on what he has to say about the Saint's Row demo later? I'll give you odds.

[Limech]

Hum, I got my OXM disc last night. I was all happy that for once I got an exclusive over other people on the Marketplace. Made me feel good that I taken a subscription for once. :(

[needoptic]

Hey guys, Kelegacy didn't like an Xbox game... who's shocked? :eek:

Anyone want to place bets on what he has to say about the Saint's Row demo later? I'll give you odds.

:confused: Ninety Nine Nights was horrible. I don't care if he's a biased poster, but that demo was boring, monotonous, and looked like crap.

[Kelegacy]

Hey guys, Kelegacy didn't like an Xbox game... who's shocked? :eek:

Anyone want to place bets on what he has to say about the Saint's Row demo later? I'll give you odds.
I didn't hate a 360 game. I hated a sloppy, ill-conceived, badly assembled, gameplay-devoid, repetitive title that just so happened to be a 360 game.

There are 360 games I like, but of course I don't like them all. And most people here know I'm not a blatantly hating troll, but the same can't be said about some others.

[Heretic Machine]

Hey guys, Kelegacy didn't like an Xbox game... who's shocked? :eek:

Anyone want to place bets on what he has to say about the Saint's Row demo later? I'll give you odds.

I guess I must be a 360-hating troll too, huh?

[MrMeatshake]

huh, i thought the N3 demo was good fun. killing lots of people with rediculous combos is fun for me. whatever.

looking forward to checking this out tonight! i hope it's great!! :D

[MSUStud911]

The Saint's Row demo is very good. It gives a nice taste of the game, but I wish when the last "story" mission was over it just deposited you back on the street so you could drive around and create chaos. No big deal since you can just restart it.

Anyway, as far as gameplay goes, I thought the shooting and driving were both very tight. Some of the cars feel a bit floaty, but that's because they're crappier cars. The better cars handle a lot better. I didn't get into any huge shootouts, but the gunplay I did experience was very well done. Also, the sound of the gun firing is very satisfying.

The graphics are alright, but the physics really help sell it. While the game looks like it could not be accomplished on a PS2 or Xbox, it's not leaps and bounds ahead of what one might see on those older machines.

Overall, I'm very impressed by the demo. I really like GTA games, but there really hasn't been a worthy clone except for The Godfather (at least in my opinion). This game definitely became a must buy for me.

[Reanimated]

huh, i thought the N3 demo was good fun. killing lots of people with rediculous combos is fun for me. whatever.

looking forward to checking this out tonight! i hope it's great!! :D



I also thought it was pretty fun, and I understand that there are a lot more items, characters, and weapons in the final game that should add some more depth to the gameplay.

Saying it was "terrible" is typical bullshit hyperbole that gets spun around here.

[BleedTheFreak]

While the game looks like it could not be accomplished on a PS2 or Xbox, it's not leaps and bounds ahead of what one might see on those older machines.


Except in regards to draw distance, which is in-freaking-credible. You can see easily as far as the human eye, very impressive. As is the lighting. Textures are nice, but here is where you are right about it being better, but not years ahead of, current gen. Still, I'd have to give the graphics a solid 8.8 or so, they are very nice and the art style is just about perfect for this type of game. Gritty, but clean and bright.

[bKangy]

Reanimated, you are the king of biased bullshit hyperbole around these parts.

[MSUStud911]

Yeah, you're right about the draw distance BleedTheFreak. Those are the sorta things that don't jump right out at you, ya know?

[claws]

Enjoyed the demo more than I expected, although it's one of those things I'd rather play on a PC. Nice physics and graphics, but the camera is a bit of a pain (especially when driving, as it lags behind your orientation by a bit). Also, has the best worst dialogue since Kingpin.

[Kelegacy]

I also thought it was pretty fun, and I understand that there are a lot more items, characters, and weapons in the final game that should add some more depth to the gameplay.

Saying it was "terrible" is typical bullshit hyperbole that gets spun around here.
No amount of characters, weapons or items will make the game deeper. It has boring gameplay, as was seen in the demo. Extras cannot cure broken gameplay. I still can't believe Microsoft Game Studios is publishing this themselves.

But this is a Saint's Row thread, and I really don't want this to turn into a N3 topic.

[IRONGUSTAV]

Except in regards to draw distance, which is in-freaking-credible. You can see easily as far as the human eye, very impressive. As is the lighting. Textures are nice, but here is where you are right about it being better, but not years ahead of, current gen. Still, I'd have to give the graphics a solid 8.8 or so, they are very nice and the art style is just about perfect for this type of game. Gritty, but clean and bright.


san andreas have a excellent draw distance u can climb a mountain and look miles away

my only problem with this demo is the framerate

[Dafizman]

Just got done with the demo. Coming from someone who didn't really like any of the GTA's, this is now on my "must buy" list. I think I could never get over how the cars handled in GTA. This just feels better. I could REALLY tell the difference with the way different cars handled. Also, the gun play seems more solid.
Problems I saw were really just AI related. Dudes jumping infront of my car, enemies in fights just standing there until I started shooting at them.
Did anyone else make the most fugly troll they could as a character?

[Dafizman]

oh crap, forgot about the camera. That sucked. Is there some kind of "auto camera" feature I didn't turn on? Because it was really irritating at first to constantly move the camera behing myself. I guess I got used to it by the end... but what a crappy thing to not put into a game like this.

[Heretic Machine]

I really liked what I've played of the Saint's Row demo. All I did was cause havok though, I didn't actually bother playing the story part yet (I'd rather save that for when I actually buy the game). I don't know what Iron is talking about with the framerate, I was causing all kinds of carnage with pipe bombs, fighting off over a dozen gang members, crashing through a bunch of destructable crap/cars/peds, and my game never skipped a beat.

Definetly not the most original game in the world, and I had a hard time aiming with a gun (so I stuck with a baseball bat) but still lots of fun. I made an asian punk dude with the liberty mohawk thing and a denim jacket... Put on some 80's "punk" music and the atmosphere was complete. My only big complaint is that the cops don't give a shit what you do, at least in the demo. Unless you directly assault them, they don't do dick. Even then they rarely pull out a gun.

[BleedTheFreak]

oh crap, forgot about the camera. That sucked. Is there some kind of "auto camera" feature I didn't turn on? Because it was really irritating at first to constantly move the camera behing myself. I guess I got used to it by the end... but what a crappy thing to not put into a game like this.

I hated that too at first, but then I realized why they did that. It's because you can aim and shoot independant of where you are running. So, if you want to shoot behind you while you are running away from something you can. If the camera always swivled behind you, you could only ever shoot things right in front of you.

I also agree with another poster, the cops are pretty passive. They will go ape if you do something like jack a car right in front of them, but even then, they are really easy to elude, or hell, just jack there car and now you have a cop car, no one else will be following you!

[Reanimated]

My only big complaint is that the cops don't give a shit what you do, at least in the demo. Unless you directly assault them, they don't do dick. Even then they rarely pull out a gun.



Not a true statement. If they SEE you doing something illegal, then you'll get one star and they immediately come after you. If they don't see you, and you're doing a bunch of stuff like killing people in the street or something, then it takes a little while, but eventually you'll get a star and they'll show up. They start pulling out guns at 2 stars, and shotguns at 3 stars. Overall, I would agree that they're not as tough as in GTA, however the full dynamic is obviously not in the demo, because you can't get more than 3 stars.

[absolut taco]

Then again, people posted their impressions about Nintey-Nine Nights and heralded it. When I played it I found everyone who said positive things was a fucking idiot.
People that don't agree with you are fucking idiots? Nice! ;)

[Kelegacy]

People that don't agree with you are fucking idiots? Nice! ;)
In this case, if you couldn't see a lot wrong with it, then yeah. People are supposed to disagree because it would be a boring world otherwise. But again, in this case it would be like arguing that water isn't wet.

[F3nyx]

I also thought it was pretty fun, and I understand that there are a lot more items, characters, and weapons in the final game that should add some more depth to the gameplay.

Saying it was "terrible" is typical bullshit hyperbole that gets spun around here.You, of all people, ought to refrain from accusing others of "typical bullshit hyperbole."

[Reanimated]

My hyperbole is always on point. You, of all people, should refrain from talking.






See? Hyperbole, but ON POINT. ;)

[absolut taco]

OFF-TOPIC!!!

In this case, if you couldn't see a lot wrong with it, then yeah. People are supposed to disagree because it would be a boring world otherwise. But again, in this case it would be like arguing that water isn't wet.
I rented Dynasty Warriors this weekend. Played it for an hour, hoping it would be all-action. I thought all the decision-making sucked, and of course I got my ass kicked in the combat because I didn't have time to figure out the gameplay. So of course I hated it. But that doesn't mean that I think people who like that sort of thing are fucking idiots.

If someone who hates racing plays Live For Speed and hates it even though it's one of the very best racers around, does that mean everyone who loves Live For Speed are fucking idiots?

[F3nyx]

My hyperbole is always on point. You, of all people, should refrain from talking.






See? Hyperbole, but ON POINT. ;)Heh, touche... but a little metaposting never hurt anyone.

[Reanimated]

OFF-TOPIC!!!


I rented Dynasty Warriors this weekend. Played it for an hour, hoping it would be all-action. I thought all the decision-making sucked, and of course I got my ass kicked in the combat because I didn't have time to figure out the gameplay. So of course I hated it. But that doesn't mean that I think people who like that sort of thing are fucking idiots.

If someone who hates racing plays Live For Speed and hates it even though it's one of the very best racers around, does that mean everyone who loves Live For Speed are fucking idiots?



This is going to be one of the rare times that I agree with you, but your DW example is a good one. I mean N3 is a hack n' slash with some RPG elements thrown in. I think it's good mostly mindless fun, and a nice respite from games that you've got to sit down an invest a lot of time/thought to get into. It's not a shitty game with poor mechanics. In fact, it's quite well put together, visually appealing, and very smooth. Not to mention the beautiful cinematics, which, by themselves, are almost worth the price of admission. Judged against other titles in this genre, it's actually a cut above 99% of current entries.


Just because someone doesn't like it for what it is does not mean it's "broken"; that's bullshit. It's just not for you, so move the hell on. I don't play a bunch of boring ass Xenosaga games, but I'm not going to start telling everyone that they're broken just because I don't like them. I'm CERTAINLY not going to tell someone they're a "fucking idiot" for liking them. That's just a completely ignorant fuckhead thing to do.

[Goronmon]

If someone who hates racing plays Live For Speed and hates it even though it's one of the very best racers around, does that mean everyone who loves Live For Speed are fucking idiots?Just because people are entitled to their own opinions, doesn't mean there aren't opinions that make people "fucking idiots". If someone thought that getting castrated was the best feeling in the world, I'd call them a fucking idiot. If someone claimed Ultraviolet was one of the best movies ever made, I'm sure plenty of people would call them a fucking idiot.

Its just a matter of drawing the line between having a reasonable opinion and just being stupid.

[Kelegacy]

OFF-TOPIC!!!


I rented Dynasty Warriors this weekend. Played it for an hour, hoping it would be all-action. I thought all the decision-making sucked, and of course I got my ass kicked in the combat because I didn't have time to figure out the gameplay. So of course I hated it. But that doesn't mean that I think people who like that sort of thing are fucking idiots.

If someone who hates racing plays Live For Speed and hates it even though it's one of the very best racers around, does that mean everyone who loves Live For Speed are fucking idiots?
Surely you aren't saying that N3 is the best of its kind around. Well, if it is, that genre is a travesty. I have never played Dynasty Warriors so this was all new to me. I haven't had to suffer through 5 installments of Dystasty Warriors and had to endure sequel repetition and STILL N3 came up very short.

I could have made a joke about Xbox gamers hating to use their brains (your comments on DW, having to make decisions and not being all-action) when it comes to games, but I haven't played DW so what do I know? I haven't played Drakengard for PS2 and have been meaning to, but I hear it has this sort of gameplay in certain areas. Color me uninterested now.

Kidding about the Xbox-dummies quib. I couldn't refuse :)

[crunchymonkey]

might we stay on topic here fellas?

[Mike Jones]

I also thought it was pretty fun, and I understand that there are a lot more items, characters, and weapons in the final game that should add some more depth to the gameplay.

Saying it was "terrible" is typical bullshit hyperbole that gets spun around here.

N3 is garbage. Who are you trying to fool?

[BleedTheFreak]

might we stay on topic here fellas?

10 characters worth of "no shit."

[Kelegacy]

This is going to be one of the rare times that I agree with you, but your DW example is a good one. I mean N3 is a hack n' slash with some RPG elements thrown in. I think it's good mostly mindless fun, and a nice respite from games that you've got to sit down an invest a lot of time/thought to get into. It's not a shitty game with poor mechanics. In fact, it's quite well put together, visually appealing, and very smooth. Not to mention the beautiful cinematics, which, by themselves, are almost worth the price of admission. Judged against other titles in this genre, it's actually a cut above 99% of current entries.


The cinematics were beautiful? I guess I can't remember, or wasn't stunned. But I do remember the awful lip synching. Very bad.

It's not a shitty game with poor mechanics. In fact, it's quite well put together, visually appealing, and very smooth.

Now I cannot fathom this. But to each his own, I suppose. We must have played two entirely different games, or one of us was wearing blinders.

I wonder why they even incorporated armies into the game, though. I killed nearly every enemy by myself and my army died at the very beginning of the demo. There is no strategy, just wave after wave of bad guys to swing your polearm into.

It's true I was turned off by this style of game because I usually require stimulation in my games. Mindless fun, a la Serious Sam and Doom, I love. But this is like a trip back to kindergarten and eating paste.

Diablo is a Calculus exam compared to N3.

[bone_matrix]

I also thought it was pretty fun, and I understand that there are a lot more items, characters, and weapons in the final game that should add some more depth to the gameplay.

Saying it was "terrible" is typical bullshit hyperbole that gets spun around here.

I agree. The N3 demo wasn't a 10, but that doesn't make it horrible or terrible. I now know that it is a lot like Dynasty Warriors, which I like. But, N3 has better grahpics and combos. It probably won't be a top game of the year, but mindless fun does not equal a crap game.

Haven't tried the Saint's Row demo yet, but I will tonight.

[Kelegacy]

N3 is garbage. Who are you trying to fool?
When you try to come to my aid, it only detracts from my arguments.

EDIT: I apologize for setting this thread off course.

[Barrapa]

So Saint's Row... Anyone want to talk about Saint's Row?

I can't wait to get my hands on it.

[Dag-Sabot]

how many cars in the demo svp? Also, combien de weapons?

[Reanimated]

or one of us was wearing blinders.




I'll go for that, considering you are the one here that spends his entire day shitting on every single xbox game available.

[fitbabits]

I'll go for that, considering you are the one here that spends his entire day shitting on every single xbox game available.
Nope! Nope! And nope again. If you bother to look, you'll find that Kelegacy is an equal opportunity hater. He tends to go by the mantra of if a game sucks, it sucks, no matter which platform it was released on. And the opposite is true also.

[Reanimated]

I've seen the dude admit openly several times that he does an inordinate amount of hating on the "poor xbox library" (his term, not mine).

[BleedTheFreak]

I've seen the dude admit openly several times that he does an inordinate amount of hating on the "poor xbox library" (his term, not mine).

Christ, can't you kids open up a chat or something? Maybe make a new thread? Get a room?

[fitbabits]

I've seen the dude admit openly several times that he does an inordinate amount of hating on the "poor xbox library" (his term, not mine).
And he's ragged on the PS2, Gamecube and PC libraries at times as well. My point wasn't that he didn't criticize the Xbox, only that he doesn't single it out exclusively.

[Johan]

Saint's Row?

*crickets* :)

*ducks head to avoid getting hit*

I'm going online to download it now...

[fitbabits]

Saint's Row?

*crickets* :)
Yeah, so anyway, I didn't like the demo at all! So there.

Saints Row would be so much better on the PS3 as that's where GTA and its clones originated and truly belong.

*sarcasm*

[Reanimated]

I really haven't seen any of that. Even if I had, I really don't see how it changes the situation. An ignorant derailing troll comment is just the same coming from an equal opportunity ignoramus.

[Kelegacy]

I've seen the dude admit openly several times that he does an inordinate amount of hating on the "poor xbox library" (his term, not mine).
The Xbox has a nice library. The 360 is easier to attack because there aren't a lot of games since the system is still fairly new. I wanted to vindicate my $400+ purchase and when there were no games I enjoyed being released, I pounced. I still only own Kameo, PDZ, Oblivion, Geometry Wars, and soon, Table Tennis.

When I'm not kept happily gaming, I get grouchy. Thus my 360 rants in the past. This Fall should put me in my place, but I'll be the same grouch in the Spring probably.

Okay, I'm out. Sorry again for the thread derail, and I'll be back when I play Saint's Row tonight. Stay tuned for the final word, from Kelegacy the Honest.

[Johan]

btw: I've certainly done my own thread-derailing and ignorant ranting at times...just a slight mea culpa...

And I'm not sure Saint's Row or GTA are really my style, but I'm downloading it to check it out...it's a bit too gritty for me.

[Zanzibar]

For those who are having framerate problems with this, are you running in HD(720p/1080i) ?

[Reanimated]

from Kelegacy the Honest.



I just threw up in my mouth. A lot.

[claws]

For those who are having framerate problems with this, are you running in HD(720p/1080i) ?
I'm having them running in 1280x960 (VGA monitor). The frame rate hits 10-15 when stuff starts getting blown up. Playable though.

[BleedTheFreak]

For those who are having framerate problems with this, are you running in HD(720p/1080i) ?

I didn't. 10 Characters.

[drakkarim]

I'm eager to find out what people think of this GTA look-a-like


in that case, probably the same thing i think of GTA and all the EA sports titles; copy/paste milking the kids for teh win!!!

[Reanimated]

I'm running in 1080i and haven't had any framerate issues. There's a lot of screen tearing though.

[Achilles]

No amount of characters, weapons or items will make the game deeper. It has boring gameplay, as was seen in the demo. Extras cannot cure broken gameplay. I still can't believe Microsoft Game Studios is publishing this themselves.

But this is a Saint's Row thread, and I really don't want this to turn into a N3 topic.It’s your opinion that the combat was boring. I liked it. Reanimated and Mr Meatshake and a bunch of other people liked it. But then you called us all f***ing idiots in your first post on this thread. When the argument comes you say how you don't want to turn this into an N3 topic. Not polite. Then again, people posted their impressions about Nintey-Nine Nights and heralded it. When I played it I found everyone who said positive things was a fucking idiot.

[Jack B]

I want Live Anywhere, so I can download it now, before I get home... :o

I don't think my taste in games includes sandbox gang banging, but I'm looking forward to giving it a try...

[51|RandoM]

The cinematics were beautiful? I guess I can't remember, or wasn't stunned. But I do remember the awful lip synching. Very bad.


Uh, duh, their lips weren't speaking english, of course they weren't synched.

They localize the audio, do you expect them to back through and redo the animation for each language?

hmm, if they were using source, they wouldn't have to! :p

[51|RandoM]

I'll go for that, considering you are the one here that spends his entire day shitting on every single xbox game available.

No, no no, that is me, not Kelegacy. lol.

[Kelegacy]

It’s your opinion that the combat was boring. I liked it. Reanimated and Mr Meatshake and a bunch of other people liked it. But then you called us all f***ing idiots in your first post on this thread. When the argument comes you say how you don't want to turn this into an N3 topic. Not polite.
Oh get over it. The combat IS boring. There is nothing to it but Press A, Press A, Press A, Press A, Press A, Press A...if you so choose. You get the point. The armies are worthless and pointless, and it totally ruins the game that you can mow through armies with one man and not break a sweat. Where is the strategy? Where is the depth? There is more gameplay in trying to shake out a turd on the john.

I apologize for calling you guys idiots, but barely.

[51|RandoM]

The armies are worthless, but combat is a lot more than just pressing A over and over again, well it is if you expect to do well.

Its one of those games that you might be able to do pressing A over and over again, but you won't excel at it.

I don't know why I'm defending it now that I think about it. It is pretty shallow gameplay, think I just liked the visuals enough to ignore that, at least in a free demo.

[51|RandoM]

I want Live Anywhere, so I can download it now, before I get home... :o

I don't think my taste in games includes sandbox gang banging, but I'm looking forward to giving it a try...

deja vu. :)

I couldn't get into the GTA series, bought 2 and 3 but didn't play more than an hour of either of them. If I'm going to spend my time pretending to be something I'm not, a small time criminal gangbanger isn't on my list of entertaining choices.

[Jack B]

OFF-TOPIC!!!


I rented Dynasty Warriors this weekend. Played it for an hour, hoping it would be all-action. I thought all the decision-making sucked, and of course I got my ass kicked in the combat because I didn't have time to figure out the gameplay. So of course I hated it. But that doesn't mean that I think people who like that sort of thing are fucking idiots.

If someone who hates racing plays Live For Speed and hates it even though it's one of the very best racers around, does that mean everyone who loves Live For Speed are fucking idiots?

I definitely agree. Ninety Nine Nights is way outside my personal tastes, but I understand why some would like it. I could play a hundred different versions of Ninety Nine Nights/DW5 type games and probably not like any of them. Everyone has their own personal tastes.

My dad has an opinion that every single video game ever made is a big waste of time.... I don't pay attention to his opinion on that subject, just like I don't pay attention to opinions of people who don't like "any" games in a particular genre. I look to people who like a genre to give me opinions on why on game in that genre is better or worse than another... Every has a "right" to an opinion, whether I respect their knowledge on the subject matter is another question.

Otherwise, I might as well be asking my Dad for his opinion on Saints Row, Gears or War, Assassin's Creed or Super Mario Brothers... :D Or maybe asking Jack Thompson or Hillary Clinton... :eek:

[Animated X]

I also thought it was pretty fun, and I understand that there are a lot more items, characters, and weapons in the final game that should add some more depth to the gameplay.

Saying it was "terrible" is typical bullshit hyperbole that gets spun around here.

I enjoyed the game, and am now looking forward to the release even more. I don't understand the mentality around here sometimes. Every game doesn't have to be a AAA title for you to enjoy it, it can just be fun, despite its flaws. N3 is definately flawed in some areas, but is still a fun, mindless hack and slash.

It seems to just prove how different some gamers tastes are, as well as the fact that a game doesn't have to be game of the year for you to have a good time with it.

[Phades]

I enjoyed the N3 demo well enough. It's not fantastic but neither is it garbage. It's probably not one I'd buy for more than $20-$30, but mindless hacking is fun every now and then. I'd be curious if Kelegacy enjoyed (or even played) any of the Kingdom Under Fire games? This reminds me more of those.... of course it helps that it's the same developer.

[Reanimated]

Oh get over it. The combat IS boring. There is nothing to it but Press A, Press A, Press A, Press A, Press A, Press A...if you so choose. You get the point. The armies are worthless and pointless, and it totally ruins the game that you can mow through armies with one man and not break a sweat. Where is the strategy? Where is the depth? There is more gameplay in trying to shake out a turd on the john.

I apologize for calling you guys idiots, but barely.



So you spent your time with this game just jumping all over the map? Because that's what you'd be doing if you were just pressing A.

The actual controls use the X and Y buttons for quick and strong attacks. Just like a fighting game, different combinations of those buttons will unleash different moves. The B button is used for the orb attacks, which has to be used strategically to collect blue orbs, or you'll find yourself in trouble later. L trigger blocks and the right and left bumpers command your troops. I've found that wading in ahead of your troops will only get you so far. When the magic casters show up, you'll be fucked.

So, I guess you could just fire up the demo and "Press A" (or an actual attack button) repeatedly, but you won't be completing the demo that way, because you WILL get killed at the end of the level. The fact that all you did was button mash simply tells me that this isn't your type of game, and/or it was too complex for you to bother actually learning.

[Rangoth]

I've gone hands on with the game and its not bad. I'm just seriously burned out on the whole GTA-style game. I want more then an open world and being able to whack people with a baseball bat so to speak.

[Savok]

N3 is DW with slightly jazzed up combat, but everything else of note removed. If the same people made KUF then all is explained in my mind. Even then it's less then what KUF does, the horrificly generic art makes sense though.

Reanimated, is there ever a time you aren't talking some form of bullshit? I can't fathom how someone can be "on" all the time like that.

Saint's Row, I don't know why they've given us such an old build, it pisses me off because my bandwidth is water in a desert, can't go wasting it on things that wouldn't really resemble the final game. Sounds like a rental at any rate.

[Kelegacy]

So you spent your time with this game just jumping all over the map? Because that's what you'd be doing if you were just pressing A.

The actual controls use the X and Y buttons for quick and strong attacks. Just like a fighting game, different combinations of those buttons will unleash different moves. The B button is used for the orb attacks, which has to be used strategically to collect blue orbs, or you'll find yourself in trouble later. L trigger blocks and the right and left bumpers command your troops. I've found that wading in ahead of your troops will only get you so far. When the magic casters show up, you'll be fucked.

So, I guess you could just fire up the demo and "Press A" (or an actual attack button) repeatedly, but you won't be completing the demo that way, because you WILL get killed at the end of the level. The fact that all you did was button mash simply tells me that this isn't your type of game, and/or it was too complex for you to bother actually learning.

I used all of the buttons, and the B button to unleash my supercharge mode. But after the first few swarms I grew so bored that I found myself using the same button to pull off 1000 hit-combos. I did switch back and forth, but the fact that I could kill that many people by pressing a button was a bit silly.

And if this game is complex, you have been in the sauce again. Me, thrown off by N3? Funny, Reanimated. Ironic, but funny.

If gameplay makes or breaks games, why would anyone play a shallow game? I feel like such a jerk for bickering with all of you, but I don't understand! All I can think of is if you think this game is good, or will be good based on the demo, then you must be pretty damn starved for new games this summer .

[Heretic Machine]

I'm having them running in 1280x960 (VGA monitor). The frame rate hits 10-15 when stuff starts getting blown up. Playable though.

I'm running it in HD and have had no framerate problems.

[TRiLoGY]

I just played the Saints Row demo and I enjoyed it a lot..

It is very much like GTA:San Andreas but with a few different touches. The explosions are great (love those Pipe Bombs) and I also like the way people can fly through the windscreen of their vehicles etc. Headshots obviously do more damage and seem to take the Target down in 1 or 2 shots. I also think I prefer Saints Row Shooting mode (ie does not lock on) compared to GTA. I think any fans of the GTA series will really enjoy this game.

I did find it to feel a bit clunky and slow compared to GTA which is more Fluid IMO, but again it is enjoyable. I also kept pressing buttons in the GTA Control scheme by accident, but hopefully in the full game you can customise the controls more (not much control customization in the demo). I did find it hard to Accelerate (with 'A') while trying to aim my gun at the same time ('Right Analogue stick'). One aspect that annoyed me a little was the GFX, the detail is good etc, but the Jaggies are terrible. Also there is a kind of Jaggy blur effect in the background compared to GTA which is a lot cleaner and crisper IMO.

Despite the issue I have with the GFX and the clunkyness (which really isn't that important), I think this will be a very enjoyable game and I will probably be picking this up.

So overall I would give this the Thumbs up :)

[Reanimated]

IMe, thrown off by N3? Funny, Reanimated. Ironic, but funny.




Yeah, it IS funny, seeing as how you're the one that sat on your couch repeatedly tapping the same button like a fucking retard. I'm picturing your mom sitting next to you wiping the drool from your chin as you smash the controller like an ape.

[lost]

I cant comment on the Gameplay but graphicswise it appears to look very marginally better than GTA:SA on Xbox, bar the characters?

Is that just because I'm watching grain-o-vision mpeg?

[alejandro79]

The Xbox has a nice library. The 360 is easier to attack because there aren't a lot of games since the system is still fairly new. I wanted to vindicate my $400+ purchase and when there were no games I enjoyed being released, I pounced. I still only own Kameo, PDZ, Oblivion, Geometry Wars, and soon, Table Tennis.

When I'm not kept happily gaming, I get grouchy. Thus my 360 rants in the past. This Fall should put me in my place, but I'll be the same grouch in the Spring probably.

Okay, I'm out. Sorry again for the thread derail, and I'll be back when I play Saint's Row tonight. Stay tuned for the final word, from Kelegacy the Honest.
kelegacy what can I say about u ...........................

[BleedTheFreak]

I cant comment on the Gameplay but graphicswise it appears to look very marginally better than GTA:SA on Xbox, bar the characters?

Is that just because I'm watching grain-o-vision mpeg?

Possibly. I was really impressed with the visuals in Saints Row (I had better distinguish which title I'm referring to in this thread). The draw distance was very nice, being crystal clear even miles out, and the animations and art direction were very nice. I'm playing it on a big HD set, and it's spectacular, night and day to even the nice looking GTA:SA.

[Bishop]

Not enough weapons for a demo. I would have like to see at least two more different types of weapons to guage the game a bit better.

When I played the demo I had the options of at least 4 different weapons, like 3 different pistols and a Uzi look-a-like. You can only buy one in the store, the others I got from killing rivals and cops. I'm sure theres more to be got in the demo as well.

[BleedTheFreak]

When I played the demo I had the options of at least 4 different weapons, like 3 different pistols and a Uzi look-a-like. You can only buy one in the store, the others I got from killing rivals and cops. I'm sure theres more to be got in the demo as well.

I can say that some of the weapons I've seen in videos on xboxyde.com have been very satisfying looking, especially the shot gun. Very cool.

[Bishop]

I really liked what I've played of the Saint's Row demo. All I did was cause havok though, I didn't actually bother playing the story part yet (I'd rather save that for when I actually buy the game). I don't know what Iron is talking about with the framerate, I was causing all kinds of carnage with pipe bombs, fighting off over a dozen gang members, crashing through a bunch of destructable crap/cars/peds, and my game never skipped a beat.

Definetly not the most original game in the world, and I had a hard time aiming with a gun (so I stuck with a baseball bat) but still lots of fun. I made an asian punk dude with the liberty mohawk thing and a denim jacket... Put on some 80's "punk" music and the atmosphere was complete. My only big complaint is that the cops don't give a shit what you do, at least in the demo. Unless you directly assault them, they don't do dick. Even then they rarely pull out a gun.

For the most part I agree with you, I never had a frame-rate issue at all, but as for the cops if you cap someone if they are close they will open fire on you, try robbing a store, they'll be there in a jiffy (good way to get some different guns plus a cop car).

[absolut taco]

For the most part I agree with you, I never had a frame-rate issue at all, but as for the cops if you cap someone if they are close they will open fire on you, try robbing a store, they'll be there in a jiffy (good way to get some different guns plus a cop car).
When you get a cop car, can you turn on the sirens and if you can, does traffic move out of the way? This fucking day has been dragging since I found out about the demo!!!

[Achilles]

Good to hear that people are enjoying the demo so much. It’s not my kind of game (I don't like gangster games), but I think anyone who’s a fan of GTA will enjoy it. It has better controls, better graphics, more freedom (can’t really tell from the demo), etc.

[The Iron Weasel]

I enjoyed N3 but I can easily see how its not everyones thing. I'm downloading Saints Row, as I type this. Been hankering for some GTA hopefully this will fill that.

N3 is garbage. Who are you trying to fool?

As if you've actually played it, I think your hands would burn if you picked up a 360 controller.

[Bishop]

When you get a cop car, can you turn on the sirens and if you can, does traffic move out of the way? This fucking day has been dragging since I found out about the demo!!!

Sorry, I never tried that when I had the cop car. Had to turn it off when my 10 year old daughter came home (lots of offensive language). I'll try it next time though.

[absolut taco]

Sorry, I never tried that when I had the cop car. Had to turn it off when my 10 year old daughter came home (lots of offensive language). I'll try it next time though.
I'm glad my daughter is only 3 months old. It's gonna suck to censor my gaming when she starts to understand stuff...

[BleedTheFreak]

When you get a cop car, can you turn on the sirens and if you can, does traffic move out of the way? This fucking day has been dragging since I found out about the demo!!!

You can click the Left analog stick to toggle the sirens, but I don't recall if traffic moved out of my way or not. I'm going to say not.

[Kelegacy]

Yeah, it IS funny, seeing as how you're the one that sat on your couch repeatedly tapping the same button like a fucking retard. I'm picturing your mom sitting next to you wiping the drool from your chin as you smash the controller like an ape.
I'm the retard. Yet you have 5 links in your sig that prove we must have partook from the same bag of paint chips.

I'm going to download the Saint's Row demo now, but I won't be able to try it out until around 9 tonight. I know you are all waiting for the final verdict from Kelegacy the Honest to see if you should be eagerly awaiting this title or canceling your preorder like you should N3.

I know Reanimated is waiting to see how I like it, so he can make an informed decision.

[dena miscreant]

I haven't played it, yet. Haven't read any of these posts, either. I'll get back to ya. ;)

[TRiLoGY]

Woah, I take back my previous statement regarding the GFX:

One aspect that annoyed me a little was the GFX, the detail is good etc, but the Jaggies are terrible. Also there is a kind of Jaggy blur effect in the background compared to GTA which is a lot cleaner and crisper IMO.

I realised that my 360 was in 1280x1024 (using VGA Cable) which made Saints Row look terrible, after changing back to 1280x720 it looked so much better, with hardly any noticeble Jaggies. I would now also reverse my statement to say it is Cleaner and crisper than GTA ;)

[MSUStud911]

One thing I noticed after some more time with the demo is that while the explosions look cool, they don't really pack much punch. I blew up cars that were right next to other cars and the other cars wouldn't even light on fire while another car is exploding. I just wish the explosions had a bigger effect.

[John Mirra]

I just wish the explosions had a bigger effect.

Tell that to my homie Little Guitarez who got smashed by falling debris. There's room in Heaven for a gangster L.G. There's room.

Aside from that tragic incident, I've been quite enjoying the demo for the three days I've had it. Framerate's better than I expected, too.
I also like how the guns feel. They're a great bit. . . heftier than the ones present in GTA. Even the lowest tier pistol feels reasonably formidable.

[Reanimated]

I'm the retard. Yet you have 5 links in your sig that prove we must have partook from the same bag of paint chips.

I'm going to download the Saint's Row demo now, but I won't be able to try it out until around 9 tonight. I know you are all waiting for the final verdict from Kelegacy the Honest to see if you should be eagerly awaiting this title or canceling your preorder like you should N3.

I know Reanimated is waiting to see how I like it, so he can make an informed decision.



I'd get better advice from a fucking Best Buy employee. The same one who today looked at me like her brain was going to melt when I asked her if the CYE season 5 DVD set only came in 4:3 aspect ratio. I'd take advice on running a country from George Bush before I listened to a goddamn thing you had to say about anything related to games. I mean if I listened to you, I'd be dressed in otaku cosplay shit, playing final fantasy games until I bled out from the anus due to having ken kuturagi's cock repeatedly shoved up there.

[violentp]

I downloaded the demo 10 minutes ago and I already deleted it. What a piece of ignorant and cliche bullshit. Hey I did something good! I earned a "homie".

Sorry but I didn't get to read the previous posts so I don't know if I'm beating a dead horse here, just thought I'd share.

[aileron]

I mean if I listened to you, I'd be dressed in otaku cosplay shit, playing final fantasy games until I bled out from the anus due to having ken kuturagi's cock repeatedly shoved up there.

Anyway...

I just finished playing the demo, and I must say I was impressed. I was expecting cheap knockoff, but we have quite the game on our hands. Framerates can dip a bit, but other than that all the visuals are great. Gameplay itself seems fine, no big complaints. If this game gets decent reviews at all I'm sure I'll be picking it up.

[Phades]

I'd get better advice from a fucking Best Buy employee. The same one who today looked at me like her brain was going to melt when I asked her if the CYE season 5 DVD set only came in 4:3 aspect ratio. I'd take advice on running a country from George Bush before I listened to a goddamn thing you had to say about anything related to games. I mean if I listened to you, I'd be dressed in otaku cosplay shit, playing final fantasy games until I bled out from the anus due to having ken kuturagi's cock repeatedly shoved up there.

You just lost.

[absolut taco]

I downloaded the demo 10 minutes ago and I already deleted it. What a piece of ignorant and cliche bullshit. Hey I did something good! I earned a "homie".

Sorry but I didn't get to read the previous posts so I don't know if I'm beating a dead horse here, just thought I'd share.
So do you like sandbox games in general, just not this one?

[Achilles]

So do you like sandbox games in general, just not this one?I think the theme's what has him bothered.

[Reanimated]

You just lost.



Really!? Tell us more, oh arbiter of internet arguments. The people demand more nuggets of brilliance gleaned from your divine internet wisdom.

:rolleyes:

[Phades]

Really!? Tell us more, oh arbiter of internet arguments. The people demand more nuggets of brilliance gleaned from your divine internet wisdom.

:rolleyes:

Thank you for paying proper respect where it is due. You may go now.

[violentp]

So do you like sandbox games in general, just not this one?

I do, I think that in this case it's more the execution of the subject matter. I don't want to jump the gun too much but the little I played that demo just made me feel stupid.

[Reanimated]

I'll stay, thanks. I have to see what Kelegacy has to say about this game. I mean I'm just on the edge of my seat with anticipation. I simply can't imagine what he will say.

[violentp]

I'll stay, thanks. I have to see what Kelegacy has to say about this game. I mean I'm just on the edge of my seat with anticipation. I simply can't imagine what he will say.

Just let it go man.

[Kelegacy]

Hmm. I haven't had tons of time to spend with it, so no missions yet. I did play about the demo zone a bit, back and forth, causing havok. Things I noticed:

1. Saints Row is trying very hard to be GTA. I think that the game to dethrone GTA as the best free-roaming city/crime game will try new things, not clone them. Being GTA isn't bad, but it doesn't win you many awards.

2. The graphics are okay, I hope that the final version is much better. They aren't ugly, but they don't feel terribly next-gen. Lots of plain, and I didn't feel really engaged by the city's look and appeal. The character animation when I was jogging was a bit weird, too.

3. Cars handle great. I like the physics a lot, too, especially the crashes when people go flying through the windows. Handling of cars was good, too. Also, I saw a bag lady who actually looked like a bag lady!

These were just premliminary impressions. From the very beginning it felt like GTA, but slightly different. I couldn't quite place how it felt...off. The lighting is better, the graphics are better, the textures are sharper...but it doesn't have the same character or vibrancy as GTA. Saints Row, in this old demo anyway, feels like an alpha or beta version of a GTA game.

I like Volition a lot, and think they could have a good game on their hands. The car driving is great and I had effortless fights with enemies/civilians. I just think the peripheral stuff, like trying to be GTA shamelessly, is going to potentially hurt the game. Or maybe that isn't it, but I just can't place it. Maybe when I play it later (when I have the television free again) I can smooth out my worries.

[Reanimated]

I just made bank. Thanks, dude.

[Kelegacy]

I just made bank. Thanks, dude.
No problem. Honest Kelegacy strikes again.

[Reanimated]

More like Kelegacy pulls another "opinion" from the SADS generated tripe at GAF.

But let me ask you this question - now that you've played the "not different" card in your first bullet point, what will you use to damage control Crackdown in October? Will you go back to the GAF well for "art style" complaints?

[jeffool]

Alright, I just read through 112 replies of this bullshit. Now god damn it, someone tell me if the cars auto-magically explode just because they get flipped over!

[Reanimated]

Yes, cars explode after they're flipped.

[jeffool]

There, it's settled. This Xbox360 game is complete bullshit and a shitty GTA ripoff. The demo is not worth downloading. You can stop your god damn crying about how Xbox is the middle child of gaming.

[The Iron Weasel]

Fuck N3, I'm getting this, fixed so many problems I had with GTA, the only real downside I see is that the framerate is kinda awful.

[Reanimated]

Just kidding, hick. They don't explode.

[Achilles]

Fuck N3, I'm getting this, fixed so many problems I had with GTA, the only real downside I see is that the framerate is kinda awful.Fortunately that's the most likely thing that'll be fixed by the time it ships. I think MS can still fail a game out of certification if their framerate is below 30 for a certain amount of time.

[Heretic Machine]

Yes, cars explode after they're flipped.

They do? Because my cars always magically turn theirselves back over, I've never gotten one to stay on it's back.

Also, this has been a really immature topic.

[Reanimated]

Fortunately that's the most likely thing that'll be fixed by the time it ships. I think MS can still fail a game out of certification if their framerate is below 30 for a certain amount of time.



BlimBlim (dude that runs xboxyde.com) says that the final version is much smoother.

[Kelegacy]

More like Kelegacy pulls another "opinion" from the SADS generated tripe at GAF.

But let me ask you this question - now that you've played the "not different" card in your first bullet point, what will you use to damage control Crackdown in October? Will you go back to the GAF well for "art style" complaints?
Dude, what's your game? Why would I damage control Crackdown?

Saints Row isn't bad. I gave my criticisms so far. It's GTA, but it's not, though it's trying almost too hard to be. This is an older demo, and because of this I'm going to reserve final judgement for the reviewers. I like this genre so I know I'll wind up with the game eventually if it gets okay reviews, but not at launch for full price,. I've played GTA to death for 3 versions on the PS2/Xbox and each got better, adding just enough features to keep me coming back. The Saints Row demo feels like a pseudo-GTA sequel that hasn't tried to change anything at all. You'll see what I mean when GTA4 shows up...

There are obviously problems with the demo. I sometimes focus on the negative first, because that's who I am. If I'm on a perfect date, I'll try to find some small flaw to bring the babe back to reality. But Saints Row looks to be far better than N3, that's for damn sure, even from this demo. And N3 is DONE, and has been for a while now (Japan).

[Reanimated]

I don't know what you mean, and I don't know what you mean when you say I'll know what you mean when GTA4 comes out.

Saint's Row is GTA except with all the nagging shit fixed, more humor, better pedestrian AI, and fun with physics. It's GTA PLUS - everthing GTA has is here with whipped cream on top, so I fail to see many negatives here for fans of the genre. Instead of cake, you get cake AND ice cream. There are some minor technical issues, which have supposedly been ironed out (plus it's not like GTA was free of these - traffic pop-in anyone?), but that's the only negatives I see here.

That's the truth of it. Bullshit SADS intangibles like "character" can take a walk. What the fuck does that even mean?

[violentp]

Saint's Row is GTA except with all the nagging shit fixed, more humor, better pedestrian AI, and fun with physics. It's GTA PLUS - everthing GTA has is here with whipped cream on top, so I fail to see many negatives here for fans of the genre. Instead of cake, you get cake AND ice cream. There are some minor technical issues, which have supposedly been ironed out (plus it's not like GTA was free of these - traffic pop-in anyone?), but that's the only negatives I see here.


I count about 7 opinions in there.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

I'll go for that, considering you are the one here that spends his entire day shitting on every single xbox game available.

Right, while you spend your whole day worshipping at Bill's altar. Your comment about Ken's cock up Kelegacy's ass was especially ironic. You are hardly a shining beacon of fairness.


I'm the retard. Yet you have 5 links in your sig that prove we must have partook from the same bag of paint chips.

I'm going to download the Saint's Row demo now, but I won't be able to try it out until around 9 tonight. I know you are all waiting for the final verdict from Kelegacy the Honest to see if you should be eagerly awaiting this title or canceling your preorder like you should N3.

I know Reanimated is waiting to see how I like it, so he can make an informed decision.


I laughed out loud. :) You need to bring back the funny/disturbing sexual comments though. Those were always the best, and much more original than the "anal leakage LOL Ken fucks you in the ass" tripe that Reanimated pulls out.


I just made bank. Thanks, dude.


Kelegacy actually tries to explain his views without sounding like a complete asshole - you should try it sometime. Nearly all of the posts you make are worthless.

[Kelegacy]

There are some minor technical issues, which have supposedly been ironed out (plus it's not like GTA was free of these - traffic pop-in anyone?), but that's the only negatives I see here.

Reanimated, GTA was created for the PS2. I wouldn't shrug off technical problems with Saints Row just because GTA had the same ones. The 360 is a bigger beast than the PS2, so I would hope many of those problems were gone.

And Perigon is right, this IS a very immature topic and I'm to blame for starting it. I just like to play your game sometimes, to show your true colors. You defend nearly everything 360, even the absolute tripe (not talking about Saints Row here). Then you go ahead and make front page posts about how Resistance looks ugly and Untold Legends is a joke, or (insert PS3 game/news here). You are probably the biggest hypocrite on this site, and the sad thing is you don't even know it.

[ElPresidente]

In this case, if you couldn't see a lot wrong with it, then yeah. People are supposed to disagree because it would be a boring world otherwise. But again, in this case it would be like arguing that water isn't wet.

I apologize for calling you guys idiots, but barely.

While it is obvious you do put thought into your posts and you are a person with a passion for gaming you really need to remember the subjective nature of opinions and that you are not the final arbiter of gaming truth. Leave your opinions at the "I didn't like it" bit.

For the record I had a ball playing the N3 demo. I'm not going to call it deep (because nothing in the demo showed that to be the case) but the sheer spectacle of the game made it a hell of a lot of fun. Style over substance? Perhaps. Did I enjoy it though? Definitely. Does this make me an idiot? Not at all.

As for Saint's Row, it was a game that was not a blip on my radar but assuming the frame rate picks up (sorry, but under 30 FPS is just not good enough in a game with a heavy reliance on action) I'll certainly be picking this one up. I don't think it will be a GTA killer but I think it will be a better than average GTA clone. While I'm waiting for the next GTA to arrive in a shower of next gen goodness it looks like I'll be more than happy to know I spent some of the lead up playing Saint's Row.

Other than the frame rate I do want to make one of other comment. The radius that causes NPCs to think they are about to be run over needs to be shortened. It is annoying to be driving down the road in a safe manner and still here people crying out that you drive like a maniac simply because they walk too close to the edge of the footpath/sidewalk.

Kelegacy actually tries to explain his views without sounding like a complete asshole - you should try it sometime. Nearly all of the posts you make are worthless.

I know Kelegacy is a well respected member around here and that affords certain leniencies when it comes to posting. However, calling people who disagree with an opinion about entertainment (perhaps the most subjective opinion there could be outside of whom a person finds attractive) idiots makes someone look like an arsehole in my book.

Not leaping to Reanimated's defence here by the way (I'd join in on the abuse but enough people have done that anyway ;)), but c'mon, lets not be in too much of a rush to drop to our knees, open our mouths and get ready to recieve as many inches as Kelegacy has to offer.

Very entertaining thread too. Thanks guys. :D

[violentp]

Oh geez, I was beginning to think this was dying out.

[Reanimated]

An inability to back up your points is a sign of being full of shit, which we already knew that you are. I mean who's playing a game here, really? All you ever do is come here to troll xbox games, because, in your twisted mind, you think you are some kind of balance to the "xbox bias" of this site. You and Mike Jones have the same mentality.

When I've posted about PS3 games, it's simply been to ask - where is the 1 year + 200 dollar leap? It's a legitimate question. Look at the leap from PS2 to Xbox. Why don't we have the same leap from 360 to PS3 and is it acceptable that the leap doesn't exist? Isn't it even less acceptable that you've got developers like Starbreeze out there saying that the 360 version of their game will have higher resolution textures? Isn't that a pathetic situation? Being skeptical of a corporation like sony pushing shit down your throat is a bit different than constantly trolling games just to act as some kind of counterbalance.

[ElPresidente]

Oh geez, I was beginning to think this was dying out.

My bad, I'm a self-righteous prick whose chain gets yanked far too easily at times. :P

[EvoG]

...Saint's Row is GTA except with all the nagging shit fixed, more humor, better pedestrian AI, and fun with physics. It's GTA PLUS - everthing GTA has is here with whipped cream on top, so I fail to see many negatives here for fans of the genre. Instead of cake, you get cake AND ice cream. There are some minor technical issues, which have supposedly been ironed out (plus it's not like GTA was free of these - traffic pop-in anyone?), but that's the only negatives I see here.

^This is the best way to put it.^

If you're a fan of the genre, this game does the genre a great service. If you're not a fan, then why bother looking.

An excellent game does not HAVE to innovate, it only needs to execute well on the genre. Innovation is wonderful and sought after, but solid play is ultimately most important. Judging games arbitrarily on how many of the bullet-points differ from another game is only going to limit your selection of games to play, and you'll more than likely miss out. Halo or HL2 didn't 'innovate' as much as they executed like no ones business.

First off, the framerate isn't as much of an issue as a bit of the hyperbole flying around here will exclaim. High speeds in car in a couple spots on the map (repeatable) will drop the fps a small bit briefly. Getting into a shootout at the gas station near Freckle Bitches, blowing up the fuel pumps, several cars and what not DOES bring the game to a bit of a crawl, but thats the only place and its not without reason. We're talking tons of particles (with that sweet heat distortion shader) and physicallized objects bounding about. All in all, the framerate has apparently been improved in the final version (as reported by previewers like BlimBlim on Xboxyde). Even it the framerate stayed as it is, I honestly dont see it being a problem, as it isn't a constant that many would say it is.

On the topic of shootouts, SR has perhaps some of the best weapon sounds period. Very satisfying impact gameplay from the glass bullet spray off of windshields to the hit reactions of the ragdolls. Some poo-poo'd the lack of auto-aim, which personal was the flipping bane of my existence in the GTA games, and I adore GTA. Here the straight up 3rd person control is excellent, as it was in Mafia, which had an excellent shooter component.

My absolute first minute impression of driving was not positive, until I settled in and discovered a great level of disparity between the cars(and that I was rather accustomed to GTA:SA). One place to look at is how a car powerslides. The Bootlegger, while a fast fun car, has a terribly short, abrupt slide, if you can even call it that. It appears to just snap 90' degrees and stops, but due to the great acceleration you're off again. Get a Compton, and it slides more predictably, more like a real car does carrying a great deal of interia with it. Tiny cars putter around and big trucks lumber. Good stuff really, especially when you discover the seemingly endless amounts of subtle and not so subtle mods ANY car can have. Most notable, a pair of balls(nutsack) hanging off the back of one of the sportier pickups.

Head on collisions where the driver of the other car goes flying out of the windshield is fucking priceless.

The graphics need to be put into perspective before you can really pass a strict judgement. The 'nature' of the game calls for greater restrictions techincally. Consider that you don't have a consistent memory footprint and are reliant on streaming and caching data off the disc. Any given piece of data is ideally compressed and of a reasonable size limitation so it can be streamed and loaded in a timely fashion, especially when you're driving 100mph through the scenery. This forces texture sizes and poly counts to be lower than on a game that only needs to load once and fit in memory or whose needed seek/stream/cache time is far far lower.

With all that in mind, the graphics are actually kick ass. The realtime shadows are rather top notch(remember this has day/night that you dont see in the demo...so it will become apparent how cool this will look in the full ver.), the cars are drop dead gorgeous with ACTUAL realtime reflection (drive next to a notable piece of geometry and you'll see it reflected) and the characters are nicely detailed.

In summary, if you're a fan of the genre, this game rocks. The voice acting is actually quite good but the story is inevitably a straight on, gangs taking back the city narrative, which it never tries to hide anyway. It takes GTA and, as reanimated said, smooths over the rough edges and makes everything feel bigger and bolder. All in all, if SR is all that it is right now, I can't WAIT for next-gen GTA4.


Cheers

[ElPresidente]

First off, the framerate isn't as much of an issue as a bit of the hyperbole flying around here will exclaim.

I don't think anyone is running around saying the frame rate kills the game. However it is running under thirty frames a second and that does make it harder to play than it needs to be. It isn't frame rate drops that are a problem, dropping during big explosions, etc is dealable but we're talking about a low overall frame rate.

As others have said though, this will be one of the features most likely to be fixed prior to release so I'm not too stressed.

[Reanimated]

With all that in mind, the graphics are actually kick ass. The realtime shadows are rather top notch(remember this has day/night that you dont see in the demo...so it will become apparent how cool this will look in the full ver.), the cars are drop dead gorgeous with ACTUAL realtime reflection (drive next to a notable piece of geometry and you'll see it reflected) and the characters are nicely detailed.

In summary, if you're a fan of the genre, this game rocks. The voice acting is actually quite good but the story is inevitably a straight on, gangs taking back the city narrative, which it never tries to hide anyway. It takes GTA and, as reanimated said, smooths over the rough edges and makes everything feel bigger and bolder. All in all, if SR is all that it is right now, I can't WAIT for next-gen GTA4.


Cheers


Man, well said.

Also, thanks for having the maturity to cut through the BS in here and actually make a worthwhile OT post.

[EvoG]

I don't think anyone is running around saying the frame rate kills the game. However it is running under thirty frames a second and that does make it harder to play than it needs to be. It isn't frame rate drops that are a problem, dropping during big explosions, etc is dealable but we're talking about a low overall frame rate.

As others have said though, this will be one of the features most likely to be fixed prior to release so I'm not too stressed.


Yea I edited my post above to mention that previewers have encountered superior framerates in the near-final copies over the demo. I made a note of this though as many people on many forums are up in arms about the framerate. Maybe growing up with games since the 2600, I'm far more lenient on framerate issues and silly shit like "jaggies"(lamest derision of a games graphics if I've ever seen one) than a lot of folks.

I've played the hell out of this demo and bobbing and weaving at high speeds through traffic is just not a problem, and no, for the most part the demo is at 30 fps if not higher(excluding those cited examples). Anything below 20 fps becomes problematic, and that just isn't the case. I'd honestly like to think I can recognize this considering how sensitive high speed driving and sharp aim are in a game where framerate is everything.


Cheers

[EvoG]

Man, well said.

Also, thanks for having the maturity to cut through the BS in here and actually make a worthwhile OT post.


Hehe, thank you. I hit SUBMIT with some trepidation, fearing for righteous reprisal and screams of 'bullshit', but for you...I took that risk. Hehe... :D

[ElPresidente]

Definately running under 30 FPS for me anyway. Writing for a PC Magazine with a FRAPS readout on screen with every review you do gives you a fine eye for it. :P

As I said though, working on the assumption it is fixed I'll be all over this like flies on horseshit.

[Reanimated]

I dunno man, these editors with the high-end video capture devices have been saying on various other boards that it's around 40 with dips into the 20's when there are a lot of explosions on screen.

Personally, I'm not a Terminator unit, so I couldn't tell you any numbers. The only time I've gotten noticable drops have been when there were several police cars on screen - with all the dynamic lighting they bring with them, and several explosions having been set off. So just basically when there's a ton of stuff happening. I could live with that if they hadn't ironed it out, but from what I've read, they have.

[EvoG]

Definately running under 30 FPS for me anyway. Writing for a PC Magazine with a FRAPS readout on screen with every review you do gives you a fine eye for it. :P

As I said though, working on the assumption it is fixed I'll be all over this like flies on horseshit.

Awww snap no you did'int just throw down on street cred!

Well then, I'm a character animator, and I have to animate at 30 fps (or 60 for fields), so perhaps I might have a fine eye for frame continuity! :p (actually I can't honestly say that gives me an eagle eye for framerate, just timing and weight...um nevermind) Hehe

But yes, assuming there's truth to the speed improvments, this is only going to get better.

[Achilles]

When I've posted about PS3 games, it's simply been to ask - where is the 1 year + 200 dollar leap?You may post the latest PS3 game screenshots, but really, somebody should, even if the game isn't impressive looking. I don’t support the idea that somehow any screen that looks bad is an unfair knock on the PS3.

[ElPresidente]

Hahaha. Yeah, I guess I did. :P

It is also very possible it could be camera movement giving the impression of a lower than actual FPS. If the camera isn't smoothly animating then that will produce the same problem.

Either way I just want smoother. :D

[EvoG]

I dunno man, these editors with the high-end video capture devices have been saying on various other boards that it's around 40 with dips into the 20's when there are a lot of explosions on screen.

Personally, I'm not a Terminator unit, so I couldn't tell you any numbers. The only time I've gotten noticable drops have been when there were several police cars on screen - with all the dynamic lighting they bring with them, and several explosions having been set off. So just basically when there's a ton of stuff happening. I could live with that if they hadn't ironed it out, but from what I've read, they have.

See thats another thing I neglected to mention...in a game like this, 90% of all events are unscripted, so a LOT of stuff is going on at any given moment. People are complaining about cars disappearing; what these systems do is check for system load. How many peds(alive vs. dead), how many cars(whole vs. damaged vs. destroyed), how many physicallized objects, how many dynamic shadow casting lights, etc. These are all leveraged on the experience and adjustments are made on the fly. A car that you just got out of will NOT disappear. Usually the first car left in the scene is the first to go (FIFO), or the most damaged car. I've left a car I was driving even out of range and it was still there when I went back.

Consider also that there are a LOT of pedestrians all around, and you can shoot someone REALLY far away, so it IS a robust system considering everything it needs to balance. Its all rather impressive.

[EvoG]

It is also very possible it could be camera movement giving the impression of a lower than actual FPS. If the camera isn't smoothly animating then that will produce the same problem.

Either way I just want smoother. :D


Well the camera is programmatically tied to the framerate(since its not animated; keyed), so I dont think there is a fundamental problem with it. Think of your mouselook in a shooter on the PC. The smoother the framerate, the smoother the rotation of the camera when you move the mouse.

So yea, its the framerate you're having a problem with, and yea, smoother would be very nice. :)

[ElPresidente]

In most games yes, but I have played certain (albeit poorly programmed) titles where the camera was stuttery and not from framerate. I was merely raising this as I was only making the call on framerate based on camera movement. Not just doing nothing and watching the rest of the world move.

[EvoG]

In most games yes, but I have played certain (albeit poorly programmed) titles where the camera was stuttery and not from framerate. I was merely raising this as I was only making the call on framerate based on camera movement. Not just doing nothing and watching the rest of the world move.

Oh, you mean where there's a 'ticking' to the movement or an abruptness. I know what you're referring to. Go over to an area where there isn't much going on, such as back by the hospital or construction area, where the framerate is buttery smooth, you'll see the camera updates properly every cycle.

[Reanimated]

See thats another thing I neglected to mention...in a game like this, 90% of all events are unscripted, so a LOT of stuff is going on at any given moment. People are complaining about cars disappearing; what these systems do is check for system load. How many peds(alive vs. dead), how many cars(whole vs. damaged vs. destroyed), how many physicallized objects, how many dynamic shadow casting lights, etc. These are all leveraged on the experience and adjustments are made on the fly. A car that you just got out of will NOT disappear. Usually the first car left in the scene is the first to go (FIFO), or the most damaged car. I've left a car I was driving even out of range and it was still there when I went back.

Consider also that there are a LOT of pedestrians all around, and you can shoot someone REALLY far away, so it IS a robust system considering everything it needs to balance. Its all rather impressive.



Yeah, I was impressed by the amount of things happening, so I was willing to shrug off the little framerate issues. The bigger problem I had was the screen tearing, but that's a v-sync problem, which, of course, is connected to the frame rate. But, like we've already discussed, these things have apparently been mostly worked out. We'll see, but even a marginal improvment over what's represented in the demo would be fine with me. Like I said, there were no technical show stoppers.

[Reanimated]

You may post the latest PS3 game screenshots, but really, somebody should, even if the game isn't impressive looking. I don’t support the idea that somehow any screen that looks bad is an unfair knock on the PS3.


Well I agree. I don't feel it's unfair in the least.

[Kelegacy]

I've got to play some more of Saints Row and I had a good enough time. My issues are still there, but this will probably end up being one of the better clones. I like the genre, but won't be purchasing until good reviews on the final version and then probably after a significant price drop (Like I said, I've played GTA to death right now, picked up the Xbox version a few weeks ago for 9 bucks at CC to play on my 360).

[Animated X]

I can't beleive how freakin slow it is downloading. Usually the demos take about an hour, maybe two to download...Saint's Row has been downloading 8 hours, and its only at 57%....wtf?

[Reanimated]

Dang, I started mine when I got in the shower this morning, and it was done by the time I got out. Maybe there's a lot of people grabbing it right now.

[Kelegacy]

I know Kelegacy is a well respected member around here and that affords certain leniencies when it comes to posting. However, calling people who disagree with an opinion about entertainment (perhaps the most subjective opinion there could be outside of whom a person finds attractive) idiots makes someone look like an arsehole in my book.

Not leaping to Reanimated's defence here by the way (I'd join in on the abuse but enough people have done that anyway ;)), but c'mon, lets not be in too much of a rush to drop to our knees, open our mouths and get ready to recieve as many inches as Kelegacy has to offer.



I AM an asshole. A very likeable asshole, though. I don't think I get special treatment here. I've tried to earn all my "respect" through fairness and quality posting. Sometimes I lose my cool and act like a moron, but hopefully those times are rare. I've got into it with Perigon many times before, swore at him and called him names, but I don't hate him. It's part of EvAv, getting the steam out, losing your cool--we are just too passionate sometimes. The next day everyone is friends again. We all vindicate ourselves eventually, with posts that invoke, "Hmm, that guy is right," or, "Huh, I never thought about it that way before."

But I have very little respect for trolls or shills in the guise of posters. I'll always threat them like shit, because they deserve it. Pumped Up has called me a Xbot, Reanimated calls me a Sonyboy. You can't win around here, so the only thing you can do is have fun shitting on the trolls.

[ElPresidente]

I AM an asshole. A very likeable asshole, though. I don't think I get special treatment here. I've tried to earn all my "respect" through fairness and quality posting. Sometimes I lose my cool and act like a moron, but hopefully those times are rare. I've got into it with Perigon many times before, swore at him and called him names, but I don't hate him. It's part of EvAv, getting the steam out, losing your cool--we are just too passionate sometimes. The next day everyone is friends again. We all vindicate ourselves eventually, with posts that invoke, "Hmm, that guy is right," or, "Huh, I never thought about it that way before."

But I have very little respect for trolls or shills in the guise of posters. I'll always threat them like shit, because they deserve it. Pumped Up has called me a Xbot, Reanimated calls me a Sonyboy. You can't win around here, so the only thing you can do is have fun shitting on the trolls.

Please don't think I was suggesting you haven't earned your respect. On a forum this large people being respected for the wrong reasons get called on it pretty early on.

Nor was I criticising your attacks on Reanimated who certainly earned as much (certainly later on in the thread anyway). I was really simply criticising the "I'm right, N3 is poo and anyone who likes it doesn't have their head screwed on right" vibe that was coming through.

BTW the final para you quoted was aimed at MG not yourself. You haven't been requesting any dick sucking as far as I can see. ;)

[Reanimated]

But I have very little respect for trolls or shills in the guise of posters.




So your self-respect is quite low, I see.

[ElPresidente]

Ya know, now might be time to let it drop. :P

[sir feces face]

I'm too lazy to read through every page on this subject, but did anybody fail the mission to kill everybody at the end because you got into a 2 door car and not a 4 door?
This demo sucked.

[Chameleo]

i bet reanimated is a shill.

[Heretic Machine]

Anyone want to start posting some of the humorous bits of the game? Like the Wendy's spoof, Freckle Bitch's?

Just heard a fat ped say, "Man, I can't wait to cheat on my online girlfriend, she has it coming!"

[needoptic]

I wasn't impressed. Now, don't jump on me and start defending the game - I'm just expressing my opinion. I liked the physics, I liked how the punch sends a person crawling, etc.

But... for this game to succeed - there has to be a good story behind it all to tie things together. The gameplay has been done before, the open ended world has been done before, shit - it even looks like GTA with High Def support. :lol: And I know, I know - somehow making "car customization" and "character customization" is revolutionary and NEXT gen! :woo: :uhh: Whatever.

I'm sad to know that this is really an early build, because the frame rate drops are constant and the cars control like crap. :(

[Ix Quantum xI]

When I first played it I thought the controls were crap too but then I just changed the sensitivity to a lower setting. I was impressed with this game but then again I wasn't expecting much. The world is a lot more open then GTA ever was and had its moments. One of the best was getting a pedestrian stuck in the wheel well of my car when I was being chased by cops and then crashing head on into oncoming traffic and seeing my body being launched through the winshield of my car. I'm glad a demo came out but I never will pay $60 for this game.

[needoptic]

When I first played it I thought the controls were crap too but then I just changed the sensitivity to a lower setting. I was impressed with this game but then again I wasn't expecting much. The world is a lot more open then GTA ever was and had its moments. One of the best was getting a pedestrian stuck in the wheel well of my car when I was being chased by cops and then crashing head on into oncoming traffic and seeing my body being launched through the winshield of my car. I'm glad a demo came out but I never will pay $60 for this game.

I agree with you. It's "nice" to see all these gameplay unrelated activities in the game.

Ooh, look! The bird crapped on my windshield!

OOhhh! The hood of my car now crumples up much better!

Oooh! I can make my characters nose BIG! HOly shit, who could have thought of that?

:p

I just hope the story is good and the bugs are worked out - because I honestly don't know why I would want to play the same exact thing like San Andreas with better graphics.

But I will give them creds - the physics system is nicely implemented. Jumping out of teh car makes you roll really nice on the pavement. :cool:

[JazGalaxy]

san andreas have a excellent draw distance u can climb a mountain and look miles away

my only problem with this demo is the framerate

What version of SA are you playing? I have the xbox version and you can't see down the street much less the view from a mountain. Now, you can see rouch polygonal landscapes, but that's not at all what they're talking about in Saint's Row, I'm sure.

[needoptic]

What version of SA are you playing? I have the xbox version and you can't see down the street much less the view from a mountain. Now, you can see rouch polygonal landscapes, but that's not at all what they're talking about in Saint's Row, I'm sure.

Yeah, it downsamples in San Andreas.

Is there any way to do a "first person" in Saints Row? I was trying to get in closer when shooting with the pistol and it didn't let me.

[absolut taco]

Fortunately that's the most likely thing that'll be fixed by the time it ships. I think MS can still fail a game out of certification if their framerate is below 30 for a certain amount of time.
Really? Middle-earth 2 dips into low single digit frame rates when you are in big battles.

[absolut taco]

The handbrake is crap... way too sensitive. Since it's on an analog trigger shouldn't it be a bit progressive? The controls as a whole are taking a bit of a time to get used to. Are these controls the same as GTA3,VC,SA on the Xbox? I played all those on the PC...

But holy shit, the first time I blew up a car and saw that wonderful heat distortion afterwards... Jiz-worthy!

[Bishop]

I dunno man, these editors with the high-end video capture devices have been saying on various other boards that it's around 40 with dips into the 20's when there are a lot of explosions on screen.

Personally, I'm not a Terminator unit, so I couldn't tell you any numbers. The only time I've gotten noticable drops have been when there were several police cars on screen - with all the dynamic lighting they bring with them, and several explosions having been set off. So just basically when there's a ton of stuff happening. I could live with that if they hadn't ironed it out, but from what I've read, they have.

Maybe its just me and I don't know what to look for but I haven't seen any drop in Framerate that is noticeable. This is going to be a fun game if you enjoyed the GTA games.

[Kelegacy]

Maybe its just me and I don't know what to look for but I haven't seen any drop in Framerate that is noticeable. This is going to be a fun game if you enjoyed the GTA games.
My framerate was alright, but the game didn't run as smoothly as other 360 games I've played. I know a lot is going on on-screen, but I want just a bit more smoothness.

[Animated X]

I was never a big fan of GTA, but I am really digging this game for some reason. The gunplay is fun, and the control on the vehicles seems to be way more responsive than GTA.

It just went from "meh" onto my must buy list.

Its great that we get a chance to preview games through XBL before they come out.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

lets not be in too much of a rush to drop to our knees, open our mouths and get ready to recieve as many inches as Kelegacy has to offer.


This one is just too easy...


BTW the final para you quoted was aimed at MG not yourself. You haven't been requesting any dick sucking as far as I can see. ;)


You should see my Private Messages folder. ;)