Microsoft has "Surprises" for the PS3 Launch? [Archive]

bapenguin

07-31-2006, 05:32 AM

Over at XBit Labs (http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20060730010154.html) there is a few blurbs from Richard Teversham, a marketing manager for Xbox Europe. While the price drop rumors were again squashed, he did have this to say:

“I don’t want to reveal any plans at the moment because we want to keep a number of surprises up our sleeve. We will ensure we are good value and we’ll do that through having a variety of pricing on games, a variety of pricing on console offers”
Surprises huh? I'll be curious to see what exactly they are, but no matter what they do the PS3 launch is going to overshadow it 10 fold.

Oddmaker

07-31-2006, 05:36 AM

Well all i can say is that at least microsoft have had a head start ;)

GunnyMo

07-31-2006, 05:37 AM

You should clarify that, penguin, to say that the lack of PS3s at launch will overshadow it 10 fold. :)

The Letter 3

07-31-2006, 05:39 AM

Meh, not surprising. Any console launch out of the big 3 (home or handheld) is going to get plenty of attention. MS knows they need a few surprises to try and keep attention turned their way, but outright fighting the PS3 launch (as Bill Gates had promised Halo 3 would do), seems a bit silly to me. Let the PS3 have it's moment in the spotlight when all the hardcore fans go rabid, then keep working on taking marketshare.

Deathbane27

07-31-2006, 05:39 AM

You should clarify that, penguin, to say that the lack of PS3s at launch will overshadow it 10 fold. :)

Ah. I thought he was referring to the price. $50-60 surprise. :p

Royal Fool

07-31-2006, 05:41 AM

PGR3 bundle and platinum hits, I'd imagine.

Norse

07-31-2006, 05:54 AM

The price of a PS3 could overshadow anything.

Surprise: Wii + X360 bundle for $299 in an agreement between MS and the big N

Evil_SPanKY

07-31-2006, 06:06 AM

Lets see, Halo 3 + 360 combo with no price break I say...

zyzyx

07-31-2006, 06:08 AM

I think it'll probably just be a price drop, some sort of games bundle and a range of platinum titles.

I don't see there being any use whatsoever in fighting the PS3 this christmas. Every available unit will sell to the kind of person that could not be swayed otherwise. IT's after christmas when people start being underwhelmed (assuming they will be) that MS have to step up and say 'hey, you can get our console and 4 games for the price of a PS3'. Gears of War being a graphical tour de force is bound to help a bit too.

needoptic

07-31-2006, 06:08 AM

Just keep pushing quality software and I'm happy. Don't care if anyone overshadows anything.

Ernst_Jager

07-31-2006, 06:15 AM

I'll buy a PS3 at launch to ebay it and get myself a 360 and some of the choice games I think.

NoName

07-31-2006, 06:17 AM

Just keep pushing quality software and I'm happy. Don't care if anyone overshadows anything.
Hopefully Microsoft and Nintendo focus on this, and things will work out fine this generation.

Kelegacy

07-31-2006, 06:18 AM

I'll buy a PS3 at launch to ebay it and get myself a 360 and some of the choice games I think.
I'm starting to think the same thing. I really don't want a PS3 for all the right reasons, so if I can sell it I'll have some sweet moolah to spend.

I'm not greedy or usually like this, but the PS3 is a profitable purchase...and can buy me some 360 games this Xmas.

zrikz

07-31-2006, 06:27 AM

I'm starting to think the same thing. I really don't want a PS3 for all the right reasons, so if I can sell it I'll have some sweet moolah to spend.

I'm not greedy or usually like this, but the PS3 is a profitable purchase...and can buy me some 360 games this Xmas.
This sounds like a pretty good plan to be honest... I have had a PS1,PS2 since about day one and just got my first xbox last year. The PS3 is unappealing to me and I probably will never get one until it drops to at least 300-400ish. If I can buy a PS3 on launch and ebay it that would be amazing, considering 360's were going for 1000$ on day 1, who knows what a PS3 will go for, I sitll dont have a 360 so im sure it could finance one and some games with change to spare.

Dafizman

07-31-2006, 06:30 AM

They'll release their recipe for cookies on live that day!

Knite

07-31-2006, 06:33 AM

I'm thinking that if it's not a price break, it might be a bundle package like the OG console systems.

Example?
Xbox 360 Plat + Halo 3 + extra controller, still $399

(Maybe not the extra controller =P)

Heretic Machine

07-31-2006, 06:34 AM

Lets see, Halo 3 + 360 combo with no price break I say...

I seriously, seriously doubt that Halo 3 will see the light of day before 2007. That'd be like the time Sega launched a console without telling anyone. It'd be that kind of surprise.

Zawath

07-31-2006, 06:36 AM

Halo 3 won't be coming this year but X360 + Gears of War bundle is possible.

JazGalaxy

07-31-2006, 06:48 AM

I read something before the launch of the PS3 that was suggesting that the Xbox360 would have some kind of delayed capability to be unlocked upon the launch of the PS3. I have no idea what that is, or what that means. I could be misremembering it or something, but It's been in my mind for years as to what this capability might be.
It would only be intelligent for MS to do something like that. They KNEW what was in store for them this christmas.

Personally I hope it transforms.

Demo_Boy

07-31-2006, 06:50 AM

I think that *** will do the usual which would be PGR3 + 360, with maybe a token price drop & plat hits line, but if they really want to mess with the PS3 release they should try to do something really noticeable.

Like 360+Gears + $50 price drop. Or some kind of mail in offer for $100 worth of games with every 360 sold.

I mean the plat hits line is gonna happen anyway.

yahso

07-31-2006, 06:54 AM

Price Drop + Sony Bankrupt Confirmed !

Mike Jones

07-31-2006, 07:02 AM

They are announcing an upgrade to Xbox 1.5 and actually releasing a real next gen console.

JazGalaxy

07-31-2006, 07:10 AM

They are announcing an upgrade to Xbox 1.5 and actually releasing a real next gen console.

Which means getting rid of the rumble feature.

CaptStu

07-31-2006, 07:11 AM

They are announcing an upgrade to Xbox 1.5 and actually releasing a real next gen console.
I can always depend on Mike to show his stupidity.

Thenetcase

07-31-2006, 07:11 AM

They are announcing an upgrade to Xbox 1.5 and actually releasing a real next gen console.

If the 360 isn't a real next gen console then neither is the PS3 and neither is the Wii.

The 360 is capable of producing visuals that are extremely realistic... it's a major powerhouse.

Idiots who make stupid statements like yours should be lined up and subjected to hundreds of hours of old 1920's sex education tapes. :D

Anyways.. on a more serious note...

I think the x360 surprise will probably be something no one here has guessed yet. ;) Microsoft isn't stupid...
On the other hand, I highly doubt the PS3 is going to have the same demand that the x360 did when it released. It's too damn expensive and there just aren't too many playable games lined up for launch day. And besides all that, the features you get with it vs. the 360 just aren't worth the extra few hundred dollars.

-TNC-

Majster Wichajster

07-31-2006, 07:11 AM

Core Core anyone?

Goronmon

07-31-2006, 07:23 AM

Damnit, I put Mike Jones on my Ignore List, then all you fuckers have to go and quote him all over the place. Thanks a lot. :mad:

Mike Jones

07-31-2006, 07:28 AM

On the other hand, I highly doubt the PS3 is going to have the same demand that the x360 did when it released. It's too damn expensive and there just aren't too many playable games lined up for launch day. And besides all that, the features you get with it vs. the 360 just aren't worth the extra few hundred dollars.

-TNC-

360 $399 + 50 for online Multiplayer

PS3 $499 free online Blu-Ray fully backwards compatible. Yeah..it's worth the $50 extra bucks :D

fitbabits

07-31-2006, 07:30 AM

360 $399 + 50 for Live Silver

PS3 $499 free online Blu-Ray fully backwards compatible. Yeah..it's worth the $50 extra bucks :D
Xbox Live Silver is free, idiot! Do your research before attempting to rumble the opposition.

You really seem to go out of your way to make a complete mam of yourself, don't you?

Oh, and :D

fitbabits

07-31-2006, 07:35 AM

As for surprises - Microsoft announce that their new head of public relations is Mike Jones, who was personally head-hunted by Peter Moore.

pheriannath

07-31-2006, 07:37 AM

Perhaps they'll upgrade all Xbox Live accounts to Gold, and convert anyone with a gold account's subscription into MS Points?

A bundle with Gears of War seems pretty obvious, though.

Mike Jones

07-31-2006, 07:43 AM

Xbox Live Silver is free, idiot! Do your research before attempting to rumble the opposition.

You really seem to go out of your way to make a complete mam of yourself, don't you?

Oh, and :D

Sorry I was under the impression that online involves being able to play the multiplayer games online . My bad. That being said it's only $50 ;)

soco

07-31-2006, 07:45 AM

360 $399 + 50 for Live Silver

PS3 $499 free online Blu-Ray fully backwards compatible. Yeah..it's worth the $50 extra bucks :D

unless there are some PS2 controller ports we haven't seen, you're not gonna be playing Guitar Hero or other similar games without an an additional cost. close enough to full, i guess :D

thenefariousone

07-31-2006, 07:55 AM

Clearly you're not under the impression that you get what you pay for.

Since all you want is a non-standard, QoS-free, pc-like attempt at an online service, then forget any console and stick to the platform that does that best: a pc.

Sorry I was under the impression that online involves being able to play the games ;)

The Iron Weasel

07-31-2006, 07:56 AM

360 $399 + 50 for Live Silver

PS3 $499 free online Blu-Ray fully backwards compatible. Yeah..it's worth the $50 extra bucks :D

God your a fucking jackass.

EternalGamer

07-31-2006, 07:57 AM

My Predictions of what I would like to see (and what I consider reasonably possible):

1. $19.99 Platinum Hits Lineup including:

King Kong
Kameo
Perfect Dark Zero
Call of Duty
Top Spin
Condemned
Burnout 4
PGR

2. Halo 3 demo disc released and packed with the 360.

3. Priced drop to $360 and get your choice of any Platinum game with purchase.

SexualChoc

07-31-2006, 07:58 AM

I like suprises, so I'll put off getting a 360 for a few months. It'll probably be a combo and or price drop. But it could be something no one expects.

EternalGamer

07-31-2006, 08:04 AM

God your a fucking jackass.

But the guy is actually close to right. As much as the MS crowd likes to crow, the price difference between the two units isn't as great as advertised. The core PS3 has everything the more expensive 360 does (hard drive, wireless controller, componenet cables etc.) plus free online play. If you were looking to play games online the price difference between the two set ups really is $50. Granted we still don't know whether or not Sony's online plan will be worth a damn, but my guess is it will be good if not as sleek as Live!.

The real problem with the PS3 launch is that the lineup seems fairly week and the 360 is just starting to finally get some interesting titles. So you have two comparable systems, one slightly more expensive than the other. And the less expensive ones has better games for the moment. The verdict is still out on the future, but it seems unlikely that Japan and Japanese developers are going to switch to 360, so for those who like that style of games, the PS3 is probably worth the extra cash for future releases.

Bottomline is the 360 currently has a better lineup and a slightly better price ($50 difference if you play online, $100 difference if you don't). The PS3 in all probability will have the better future lineup especially where Japanese developers are concerned. Sony is a much more formidable opponent and is offering a lot more competive product than most people on EA are giving them credit for. However their launch line up still sucks. Where the hell is my next gen Ratchet & Clank?

Majster Wichajster

07-31-2006, 08:11 AM

Besides, who doesn't want to roll a next-gen Katamari? It's definitely not happening on the 360.

Ok, who doesn't want a quirky Japanese game full of off-the-wall outside-the-box wazoo that only the Japanese can bring you? It's not happening on the 360.

No, I'm not a Sony fanboy. I love my livers.

Mdot23

07-31-2006, 08:15 AM

put out a halo 3 multiplayer demo the world will implode.

Philonious

07-31-2006, 08:16 AM

Does anyone think they'd seriously bundle Gears of War or Halo 3 with the 360 THIS early? I mean they are still taking HUGE losses on every console sold, the stand to gain that back with either game (way moreso with Halo) and people will actually buy the console for Halo... To bundle it and price drop simultaneously? That would go way beyond bad business into pure hubris of trying to win the generation... And is Gears of War really that big... We know about cause we eat, sleep and breathe games, but it doesn't have the brand recognition that Halo does... It is not, nor will it ever be, the killer App MS needs to actually sell people consoles.

I think they'll kill the Core bundle, as others have suggested, and as for the big surprise... It'll likely be weak.

EternalGamer

07-31-2006, 08:22 AM

No, but I think they would bundle a Halo 3 demo. The demo would only serve to promote the additional purchase of both the system and the game when it ships next Spring. It would actually increase revenue, not take it away and it would only cost pennies.

bapenguin

07-31-2006, 08:22 AM

Until Sony actually SHOWS something with their online play it doesn't exist IMO. Right now it's nothing more than what they have on the PS2, and if it is...it damn well better be free.

soco

07-31-2006, 08:25 AM

If you were looking to play games online the price difference between the two set ups really is $50. Granted we still don't know whether or not Sony's online plan will be worth a damn, but my guess is it will be good if not as sleek as Live!.

it's incredibly unlikely that the PS3 online service will be as sleek as live in the first year, and in all probability the not first 2-3 years. it's quite possible it'll launch with some features live doesn't have, but there's a lot of stuff in live, that i imagine will still take quite a while to copy completely, from the skill matching, games searching, to the complaint system. it's just a lot of features that have requird years of tweaking and testing. the point is a valid one, but as always, it's not as simple as just 'online gameplay'. it's a cost vs. benefit issue. you may think that all you want is just to play online, but some of those features actually can make the games a lot more enjoyable, and if they're missing, they'd really start to grind on you after a while. perhaps enough to shell out the money for a premium service. of which, we've still heard sony has plans, but we still have no idea what it entails, as is the case for so many things PS3 at the moment.

it's not much of a difference but you can pick up the 12 month live cards for 40$, which is about 3.33$ a month.

i imagine that silver will provide free online gameplay in the next year or two, not because Sony is offering it, but because MS could make more money with gaming ads that way. i don't think they'll get rid of the subscription though, i imagine they'll just offer more advanced features to those that subscribe.

Flatpicker

07-31-2006, 08:32 AM

EternalGamer

07-31-2006, 08:35 AM

Here's what I'd like to see from MS:

$100 price drop on premium and free hd unit for core systems.
Gears of War as a pack in on new systems.
Halo side mission featuring Sgt Johnson using the Halo 3 engine. Free download on live.
Announcing Capcom as 360 exclusive publisher.
FF IV on 360 for 2008.
Free year of gold service for all new 360 purchased between Black Friday and Dec 26th.

And I'd like to see MS give every 360 owner a million dollars, which is almost equally as likely to any of the things on your list. And a $100 price drop on the premium would make it the same price as the Core. Why have two systems the same price, both with Harddrives? That makes no sense.

Khash

07-31-2006, 08:35 AM

Here's what I'd like to see from MS:

$100 price drop on premium and free hd unit for core systems.
Gears of War as a pack in on new systems.
Halo side mission featuring Sgt Johnson using the Halo 3 engine. Free download on live.
Announcing Capcom as 360 exclusive publisher.
FF IV on 360 for 2008.
Free year of gold service for all new 360 purchased between Black Friday and Dec 26th.
And if they really wanted to steal PS3s thunder, they could make all games free forever!

The Iron Weasel

07-31-2006, 08:36 AM

But the guy is actually close to right. As much as the MS crowd likes to crow, the price difference between the two units isn't as great as advertised. The core PS3 has everything the more expensive 360 does (hard drive, wireless controller, componenet cables etc.) plus free online play. If you were looking to play games online the price difference between the two set ups really is $50. Granted we still don't know whether or not Sony's online plan will be worth a damn, but my guess is it will be good if not as sleek as Live!.

The real problem with the PS3 launch is that the lineup seems fairly week and the 360 is just starting to finally get some interesting titles. So you have two comparable systems, one slightly more expensive than the other. And the less expensive ones has better games for the moment. The verdict is still out on the future, but it seems unlikely that Japan and Japanese developers are going to switch to 360, so for those who like that style of games, the PS3 is probably worth the extra cash for future releases.

Bottomline is the 360 currently has a better lineup and a slightly better price ($50 difference if you play online, $100 difference if you don't). The PS3 in all probability will have the better future lineup especially where Japanese developers are concerned. Sony is a much more formidable opponent and is offering a lot more competive product than most people on EA are giving them credit for. However their launch line up still sucks. Where the hell is my next gen Ratchet & Clank?

I think the superior future lineup is really subjective. Also I don't care if hes right or not, hes still a fucking jackass.

Flatpicker

07-31-2006, 08:53 AM

And I'd like to see MS give every 360 owner a million dollars, which is almost equally as likely to any of the things on your list. And a $100 price drop on the premium would make it the same price as the Core. Why have two systems the same price, both with Harddrives? That makes no sense.

You are correct that the price drop would make the premium the same price as the core. Thus the thinking that if the premium goes down 100 and the cores come with a coupon for a free HD then you do have only one sku.
So you use that to clean up excess inventory and quietly stop shipping out core units. That's where it makes sense.

The free Halo demo side mission would be a Halo 3 seller (not like it needs it) and would allow MS to show off the engine and say It's as good as PS3 graphically.

Truthfully, the GOW pack in would be a wish more than a feasibility, but I can dream.

But the Capcom and FFiv announcements would be done to steal some of sony's Japanese thunder.

The free year of gold service? to me it seems like a seeding plan, hook people in and then you catch them for renewals.

Does that help?

EternalGamer

07-31-2006, 08:55 AM

I think the superior future lineup is really subjective. Also I don't care if hes right or not, hes still a fucking jackass.

Oh, I agree it is totally subjective. But if you like platformers, RPG style games, or just Japanese style games in general, there is about a 99% chance the PS3 will have the superior software selection in those areas.

Megalith

07-31-2006, 08:56 AM

There will be a price drop and a broken H3 demo that plays and runs like H2. Along with some gay faceplates that nobody wants.

Flatpicker

07-31-2006, 08:56 AM

Being a person who didn't care for Ratchet and Clank or Jax and Daxter, They are not system sellers for me.
Mark of Kri was a much better game IMHO. Even Primal had some good spots.
I did like Sly though.

EternalGamer

07-31-2006, 08:59 AM

You are correct that the price drop would make the premium the same price as the core. Thus the thinking that if the premium goes down 100 and the cores come with a coupon for a free HD then you do have only one sku.
So you use that to clean up excess inventory and quietly stop shipping out core units. That's where it makes sense.

The free Halo demo side mission would be a Halo 3 seller (not like it needs it) and would allow MS to show off the engine and say It's as good as PS3 graphically.

Truthfully, the GOW pack in would be a wish more than a feasibility, but I can dream.

But the Capcom and FFiv announcements would be done to steal some of sony's Japanese thunder.

The free year of gold service? to me it seems like a seeding plan, hook people in and then you catch them for renewals.

Does that help?

If they were going to discontinue the core, they could just do it outright--stop manufacturing new ones and lower the price on the existing inventory to clear them out. The "free $100 harddrive" doesn't seem very feasible.

As for the Capcom exclusive, that would kill their Japanese sales and Capcom is a rather big company that depends upon the Japanese market for profitability. MS tried this by making a deal with Sega on the original Xbox and, unfortunately, all those fantastic Sega titles that shipped exclusively for the Xbox (Panzer Dragoon Orta, Gun Valkerie, JSRF and Shenmue 2) sold like shit both in Japan and the U. S.).

The year of free Live! might work though, I'll give you that one.

Flatpicker

07-31-2006, 08:59 AM

There will be a price drop and a broken H3 demo that plays and runs like H2. Along with some gay faceplates that nobody wants.

Good, pointless volly.
Not a Halo fan. I get it, no need to start the gay thing or claim that any developer will release a broken demo. Haven't yet. That's usually a sony thing.
Which demo was the one that deleted memory cards again? :rolleyes:

Megalith

07-31-2006, 09:08 AM

Steele Johnson

07-31-2006, 09:10 AM

on the other hand, there hasn't been a good new game for the 360 in months. Kind of lame. Where the fuck are all the games?

Khash

07-31-2006, 09:12 AM

I go where Fumito Ueda goes.

Flatpicker

07-31-2006, 09:14 AM

on the other hand, there hasn't been a good new game for the 360 in months. Kind of lame. Where the fuck are all the games?

Chromehounds was sweet.
Dead Rising is about 10 days away.
Then we hit Sept and the deluge begins.

Flatpicker

07-31-2006, 09:26 AM

I go where Fumito Ueda goes.

I can respect that.
I hope Sony realizes what an asset to the org he is.
He's like an art house videogame developer.

Wyrm

07-31-2006, 09:33 AM

You're kidding yourself if you think you're getting free online play with the PS3. Good luck with that one.

I'm going to at least attempt to get my hands on one at launch, only so that I can turn around and sell it for twice that price. I dont need to play any of the crappy launch titles, I'll just sit around with my pile of money, upgrade my computer, and buy a few more 360 games.

absolut taco

07-31-2006, 09:38 AM

on the other hand, there hasn't been a good new game for the 360 in months. Kind of lame. Where the fuck are all the games?
In my opinion, Battle for Middle Earth 2 is better than good.

Khash

07-31-2006, 09:38 AM

In my opinion, Battle for Middle Earth 2 is better than good.
Yea, it was great when I played it months ago with better controles on my PC.

Jack B

07-31-2006, 10:06 AM

Damnit, I put Mike Jones on my Ignore List, then all you fuckers have to go and quote him all over the place. Thanks a lot. :mad:

I was thinking the same thing... :(

Back on topic, I've read through all these ideas and they all sound plausible. I really can't guess what Microsoft will do, but they have tons of options available. Live Gold for Free. HD drive included...

My best guess is the Core goes away, the Premium becomes $299 and a PGR 3 or Viva Pinata bundle...

I'd love to see Gears of War bundled, but that's probably a bit violent for many Holiday Shoppers. Not me however, as I relate more to the Barbarians on the "What's in Your Wallet" commercials than Barney. Gears of War is a bit tame for my tastes as it needs acid spewing out of the chainsaw to really make that weapon sing... :D

Jack B

07-31-2006, 10:10 AM

on the other hand, there hasn't been a good new game for the 360 in months. Kind of lame. Where the fuck are all the games?

Chromehounds, Lord of the Rings, Prey and Moto GP 06 are are excellent IMO. :) AAA system sellers, no, but those are few and far between on all consoles. They are however, all solid games released in the last few weeks.

cppcrusader

07-31-2006, 10:16 AM

If they were going to discontinue the core, they could just do it outright--stop manufacturing new ones and lower the price on the existing inventory to clear them out. The "free $100 harddrive" doesn't seem very feasible.

As for the Capcom exclusive, that would kill their Japanese sales and Capcom is a rather big company that depends upon the Japanese market for profitability. MS tried this by making a deal with Sega on the original Xbox and, unfortunately, all those fantastic Sega titles that shipped exclusively for the Xbox (Panzer Dragoon Orta, Gun Valkerie, JSRF and Shenmue 2) sold like shit both in Japan and the U. S.).

The year of free Live! might work though, I'll give you that one.

I've been wondering if they've already discontinued the Core SKU. I haven't seen one around here since Feb, just Premiums.

Paranoia

07-31-2006, 10:21 AM

I hope this "suprises" involves making Xbox Live Gold as free.

Zurik

07-31-2006, 10:22 AM

I just looked over the games coming out around the holiday season for the 360, and I was surprised how many offer both off and online co-op. I think this a great direction the Xbox is taking and that alone would blow away the PS3 for me. Now if only Square would release their games on the 360, I wouldn't have to buy a $600 Blu-Ray player with my gaming system.

Zanzibar

07-31-2006, 10:52 AM

Wow. Halo 3 demo disc with every X360 purchase during the Christmas season. I hadn't thought of that. One multiplayer map a la BF1942, and a lone singleplayer mission would be freakin' sweet.

Khash

07-31-2006, 10:56 AM

Wow. Halo 3 demo disc with every X360 purchase during the Christmas season. I hadn't thought of that. One multiplayer map a la BF1942, and a lone singleplayer mission would be freakin' sweet.
Even if they wanted to, I doubt the game is even that far along in development.

Jack B

07-31-2006, 10:58 AM

Even if they wanted to, I doubt the game is even that far along in development.

I've read on the Bungie site they're doing Multiplayer testing sessions everyday and they would have another 4 months 'til the late November PS3 launch to get a demo ready.

Bill Gates wanted it shipable by the PS3 launch, but Gears of War started looking so good, I think it took some of the pressure off Halo 3, but I believe they could do a demo if they wanted...

Khash

07-31-2006, 11:02 AM

I've read on the Bungie site they're doing Multiplayer testing sessions everyday and they would have another 4 months 'til the late November PS3 launch to get a demo ready.

Bill Gates wanted it shipable by the PS3 launch, but Gears of War started looking so good, I think it took some of the pressure off Halo 3, but I believe they could do a demo if they wanted...
That Halo3 multiplayer they spoke of was just Halo2 running on a 360 :p

Zanzibar

07-31-2006, 11:11 AM

That Halo3 multiplayer they spoke of was just Halo2 running on a 360 :p

You could have just said you wanted to bash Halo/Bungie/MS. Then we could have ignored you.

4 months is a LONG time to put together a playtested demo. Devs usually have a 'first playable' milestone, where they have one level completely ready-to-go. Often they use those as E3 demos, but since Bungie decided to not press for it for E3, their first playable milestone could be cleaned up and sent out as a demo. That's what Lost Planet did.

EternalGamer

07-31-2006, 11:38 AM

fitbabits

07-31-2006, 11:41 AM

If they aren't currently planning a Halo 3 demo this holiday, somebody should go do some shouting in MS ear that they need to do it. It's by far the smartest move they could make this holiday and would probably be a relatively minor expense.
But, and it's a big but, surely the damage done by releasing an unfinished or unoptimizsed demo for the sake of it would be drastic for Microsoft and simply do nothing more than supply Sony with all the ammunition they need in the lead up to the PS3 launch!

Long sentences FTW!

Khash

07-31-2006, 11:41 AM

You could have just said you wanted to bash Halo/Bungie/MS. Then we could have ignored you.
Oh, lighten up. I was just kidding. I thought :p was the universal sign for joke(yea, it was a bad joke but whatever).

Sl1pstream

07-31-2006, 11:56 AM

Who cares if current 360 owners get screwed over. They're stupid for buying it when there aren't even any games out yet.

Maybe you could send a mail about that to Sony. It's okay to screw over their customers this time, just not every other time they did it.

Also, didn't Microsoft give Xbox owners a free game and controller when the first Xbox had its first pricedrop?

Zeal

07-31-2006, 11:58 AM

I really wouldn't be suprised if Halo 3 launched early. Honestly.

Mike Jones

07-31-2006, 12:01 PM

You could have just said you wanted to bash Halo/Bungie/MS. Then we could have ignored you.

Captain we need Xbot defense mechanism at full power

fitbabits

07-31-2006, 12:02 PM

I really wouldn't be suprised if Halo 3 launched early. Honestly.
There's two chances of that happening:

1. None.
2. Fuck all.

Gears of War is the BIG release for Microsoft this year, closely followed by Forza Motorsport 2.

Sl1pstream

07-31-2006, 12:02 PM

Captain we need Xbot defense mechanism at full power
I think we can all agree that we won't be needing you. You're like the Xbox in Japan.

fitbabits

07-31-2006, 12:02 PM

Captain we need Xbot defense mechanism at full power
You forgot your :D .

Thus endeth the lesson.

:D

Jack B

07-31-2006, 12:15 PM

I think they should cancel both the Core and Premium models and release a newer version that incorporates HDMI.

Who cares if current 360 owners get screwed over. They're stupid for buying it when there aren't even any games out yet.

I'm not stupid. I got my 360 from Costco on day 2. Fell in love with the new and improved XBox Live service, HD Graphics and a ton of great games, IMO.

I think your comment is sour grapes. Price drops and feature additions are inevitable on technology purchases especially. I've been "screwed" by every PC I've ever purchased. I've been very happy to be "screwed".. That's the way it works.

You'll figure that out as you get older. :)

Zanzibar

07-31-2006, 12:15 PM

Hey Mike, go busy yourself plagiarizing something else, willya?

EternalGamer

07-31-2006, 12:25 PM

But, and it's a big but, surely the damage done by releasing an unfinished or unoptimizsed demo for the sake of it would be drastic for Microsoft and simply do nothing more than supply Sony with all the ammunition they need in the lead up to the PS3 launch!

Long sentences FTW!

Well, I'm basing the idea that they should release a demo on two things: 1) The Bungie weekly updates, as Zanzibar previously noted, have indicated that they are pretty far along in development and 2) that they still have a long time to optimize a short demo for release this holliday season. As Zanzibar also pointed out, they chose not to show a playable demo at E3, perhaps it was being held back for this very reason? Given that they are on schedule for the Spring release, it seems completely feasible to me that they could have a polished single level playable (and a multiplayer map thrown in for Live play). It wouldn't even have to be an entire level, even just 10 minutes of gameplay would be enough. You don't think they could manage to get a 10 minute segment polished enough to be impressive by this November?

fitbabits

07-31-2006, 12:31 PM

Well, I'm basing the idea that they should release a demo on two things: 1) The Bungie weekly updates, as Zanzibar previously noted, have indicated that they are pretty far along in development and 2) that they still have a long time to optimize a short demo for release this holliday season. As Zanzibar also pointed out, they chose not to show a playable demo at E3, perhaps it was being held back for this very reason? Given that they are on schedule for the Spring release, it seems completely feasible to me that they could have a polished single level playable (and a multiplayer map thrown in for Live play). It wouldn't even have to be an entire level, even just 10 minutes of gameplay would be enough. You don't think they could manage to get a 10 minute segment polished enough to be impressive by this November?
I'm sure they could, but to what end? Sure, the Halo fans would dig it and no doubt proclaim game over for Sony, but I wonder if releasing a teaser like that could backfire on MS. Sony could (and probably would) portray it as a desperation tactic or a gimmick.

Or am I off my tits?

EternalGamer

07-31-2006, 12:39 PM

Zanzibar

07-31-2006, 12:47 PM

Well, I'm basing the idea that they should release a demo on two things: 1) The Bungie weekly updates, as Zanzibar previously noted, have indicated that they are pretty far along in development and 2) that they still have a long time to optimize a short demo for release this holliday season. As Zanzibar also pointed out, they chose not to show a playable demo at E3, perhaps it was being held back for this very reason? Given that they are on schedule for the Spring release, it seems completely feasible to me that they could have a polished single level playable (and a multiplayer map thrown in for Live play). It wouldn't even have to be an entire level, even just 10 minutes of gameplay would be enough. You don't think they could manage to get a 10 minute segment polished enough to be impressive by this November?

Usually, playable demos come out at E3 for games that will be ready at Christmas - a six-month window to finish the game. It may be that Halo 3 will be fairly close to that same timeline, but starting at Christmas and finishing summertime 07.

The upshot is, yes, it's VERY possible that they can polish a level for a demo this Christmas, unless they're very far behind and opt (as they did for E3) to not put out a demo period.

Mike Jones

07-31-2006, 12:52 PM

You forgot your :D .

Thus endeth the lesson.

:D

So how's your online gaming going on your Live Silver account? It is free you know ;)

fitbabits

07-31-2006, 12:57 PM

I am not sure how being competitive would come off as being "desperate." If they slashed the price of their game system a couple of hundred bucks, that would be percieved as "desperate." But I'm not sure how timely releasing a demo for the sequel to one of the most popular games in the last five years could ever be percieved as "desperate." That just seems like smart marketing.
But, and I may not have made my point all that clear, billing a small 10-minute Halo 3 'teaser' as a counter to the PS3's launch would be portrayed as desperate by Sony, not the regular punters. Here's a made-up conversation which may explain where I'm coming from:

Peter Moore - I am pleased to announce that Microsoft and Bungie will be offering a half-level demo for Halo 3, which will be bundled with all Xbox 360s sold during the holiday period. The future is now, the future is Xbox 360, and the future is in your hands when you buy any 360 this holiday season.

Kaz Harai - Riiiiiiiidge Raaaaaaaaaacer. Ahem, wrong conference! SONY has been the leader in interactive entertainment for the last 10 years and all our competitor can do to counter the launch of the technically superior PlayStation 3 is to include a 10-minute demo for a game which is months away from completion. So much for a killer line-up of titles.

fitbabits

07-31-2006, 12:59 PM

So how's your online gaming going on your Live Silver account? It is free you know ;)
Silver? Does your idiocy know no bounds? I have Xbox Live Gold (for the bling factor, you understand). $50 well spent, especially when you consider what I've bought into.

:)

Mike Jones

07-31-2006, 01:10 PM

Silver? Does your idiocy know no bounds? I have Xbox Live Gold (for the bling factor, you understand). $50 well spent, especially when you consider what I've bought into.

:)

So either way

360 $399 + 50 for online Multiplayer (oops I said Silver)

PS3 $499 free online Blu-Ray fully backwards compatible. Yeah..it's worth the $50 extra bucks :D

Zanzibar

07-31-2006, 01:13 PM

So either way

360 $399 + 50 for online Multiplayer (oops I said Silver)

PS3 $499 free online Blu-Ray fully backwards compatible. Yeah..it's worth the $50 extra bucks :D

Where's that list of PS3 launch titles, Mike? Wanna bet that many PS3 online multiplayer games will be fee-based?

There might be a packaged game coming as well for the X360. And/or a price drop.

You keep drinking the Kool-Aid, Mike. Enjoy it while it lasts.

fitbabits

07-31-2006, 01:18 PM

So either way

360 $399 + 50 for online Multiplayer (oops I said Silver)

PS3 $499 free online Blu-Ray fully backwards compatible. Yeah..it's worth the $50 extra bucks :D
See, here's the thing (pay attention):

Xbox 360 (premium) + Xbox Live Gold (optional) = $440 - all real and available now.

Sony PS3 (premium) + mythical online service (allegedly free) = $600.

See the damn difference?

Zanzibar

07-31-2006, 01:23 PM

I really can't wait to see Sony get spanked, just to hear Mike Jones sobbing quietly.

Khash

07-31-2006, 01:35 PM

I'm convinced Mike is actually some sort of performance artist.

EternalGamer

07-31-2006, 01:53 PM

See, here's the thing (pay attention):

Xbox 360 (premium) + Xbox Live Gold (optional) = $440 - all real and available now.

Sony PS3 (premium) + mythical online service (allegedly free) = $600.

See the damn difference?

Sorry, fits, that is totally misrepretative. It's more like this:

Xbox 360 (premium) + Xbox Live Gold (optional) = $440 - all real and available now.

Sony PS3 (with features of 360 premium) + mythical online service (allegedly free) = $500.

So the PS3 is $60 more and you get a BluRay player and true backwards compatibility. Those are two pretty decent features for $60 in my opinion. You may still think the 360 is a better deal and that's fine, but it's not fair to compare the premium 360 with the premium PS3 since the basic PS3 has every single damn thing the premium 360 has. For emphasis:

-The core PS3 has a 20 Gig hard drive, the same as the premium 360.
-The core PS3 has a wireless controller, the same as the premium 360.
-The core PS3 has component cables, the same as the premium360.
-The core PS3 has everything the premium 360 has and then some.

So given all of this, why is it people insist on comparing the two premium systems? I'll tell you why, because they demonstrate a bias every bit as stupid and blind as people like Mike Jones here. Your insistence on comparing the two premium systems is every bit as absurd as the logic he uses to make the 360 seem inferior.

Siraris

07-31-2006, 02:05 PM

Where's that list of PS3 launch titles, Mike? Wanna bet that many PS3 online multiplayer games will be fee-based?

There might be a packaged game coming as well for the X360. And/or a price drop.

You keep drinking the Kool-Aid, Mike. Enjoy it while it lasts.

I'll bet you $600 that the online multiplayer games will not be fee-based. I'll put that in writing if you want.

And here's your incomplete list of launch titles:

November 17, 2006 EA Sports Fight Night Round 3 Electronic Arts Sports
November 17, 2006 Warhawk Sony Computer Entertainment Flight Action
November 17, 2006 John Woo Presents Stranglehold Midway Games Action Adventure
November 17, 2006 Resistance: Fall of Man Sony Computer Entertainment Shooter
November 17, 2006 Genji 2 Sony Computer Entertainment Action
November 17, 2006 Sonic the Hedgehog SEGA Platformer
November 17, 2006 Alone in the Dark Atari Adventure
November 17, 2006 Call of Duty 3 Activision Shooter
November 17, 2006 Madden NFL 07 Electronic Arts Sports
November 17, 2006 NBA Live 07 Electronic Arts Sports
November 17, 2006 Full Auto 2: Battlelines SEGA Racing Action
November 17, 2006 Ridge Racer 7 Namco Racing
November 17, 2006 Marvel: Ultimate Alliance Activision Action RPG
November 17, 2006 College Hoops 2K7 2K Sports Sports
November 17, 2006 NHL 2K7 2K Sports Sports
November 17, 2006 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas Ubisoft Shooter
November 17, 2006 Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom Sony Online Entertainment Action RPG
November 17, 2006 Tony Hawk's Project 8 Activision Sports
November 17, 2006 flOw (PS3 Hub Download) *TBA Action
November 17, 2006 Need for Speed Carbon Electronic Arts Racing
November 17, 2006 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 Electronic Arts Sports
November 17, 2006 Bladestorm: The Hundred Years War KOEI Strategy
November 17, 2006 Fatal Inertia KOEI Racing Action

fitbabits

07-31-2006, 02:05 PM

Sorry, fits, that is totally misrepretative. It's more like this:

Xbox 360 (premium) + Xbox Live Gold (optional) = $440 - all real and available now.

Sony PS3 (with features of 360 premium) + mythical online service (allegedly free) = $500.

So the PS3 is $60 more and you get a BluRay player and true backwards compatibility. Those are two pretty decent features for $60 in my opinion. You may still think the 360 is a better deal and that's fine, but it's not fair to compare the premium 360 with the premium PS3 since the basic PS3 has every single damn thing the premium 360 has. For emphasis:

-The core PS3 has a 20 Gig hard drive, the same as the premium 360.
-The core PS3 has a wireless controller, the same as the premium 360.
-The core PS3 has component cables, the same as the premium360.
-The core PS3 has everything the premium 360 has and then some.

So given all of this, why is it people insist on comparing the two premium systems? I'll tell you why, because they demonstrate a bias every bit as stupid and blind as people like Mike Jones here. Your insistence on comparing the two premium systems is every bit as absurd as the logic he uses to make the 360 seem inferior.
My point was that for all of Mike's bluster, nothing of the PS3 is actually available now. Sony have a reputation for over-promising and under-delivering (yes, I know), so until all's said and done and both consoles can be placed side-by-side and judged fairly, it's pointless to compare the two.

Oh, and one final thing - the core Xbox 360 is in no way as hobbled as the less-expensive PS3. You can add to the core 360 to bring it up to spec with the Premium version, something you will NEVER be able to do with the 20GB PS3, and here's why:

- No built-in Wi-fi
- No HDMI port
- No Memory Stick slot
- No SD card slot
- No Compact Flash slot

Siraris

07-31-2006, 02:11 PM

BACK to the subject at hand, does anyone remember last year when there were the rumors that PS3 was coming out in the spring, and people were predicting huge surprises from Microsoft to take the wind out of Sonys sails?

In todays day and age, there are very few secrets between companies. Considering Microsoft and Sony work with many of the same developers as well as almost all the same publishers and retailers, any surprises will just be surprises to the consumer. It's just like the price of the PS3. Everyone in the consumer market was surprised, but I'm willing to bet any amount of money that people at the big publishers, developers and retailers knew the price of the PS3 wasy before E3.

Steele Johnson

07-31-2006, 02:11 PM

Chromehounds, Lord of the Rings, Prey and Moto GP 06 are are excellent IMO. :) AAA system sellers, no, but those are few and far between on all consoles. They are however, all solid games released in the last few weeks.

I must be a picky gamer. ;)

I played the Prey demo and it didn't hit me as anything special. With a focus on single-player, it just doesn't have much longevity (yes, I like multiplayer with xbox Live).

LotR, well, isn't that just another RTS where you micro-manage for resources and then build buildings that help you create more units? I've played a few RTS's in my time (Warcraft I,II,III, Rome: Total War, Empire Earth, and a few otheres), and those games are pretty much all the same with a different skin, IMO.

I'm looking for online RPG's, tactical shooters (yes, I have GRAW and love it), co-op platformers, and any kind of class-based online game. I really want to utilize my Live account. Where in hell are they?

EternalGamer

07-31-2006, 02:11 PM

My point was that for all of Mike's bluster, nothing of the PS3 is actually available now. Sony have a reputation for over-promising and under-delivering (yes, I know), so until all's said and done and both consoles can be placed side-by-side and judged fairly, it's pointless to compare the two.

So you are saying the point of your comparison between the two systems features and prices was that you can't compare them until Sony releases? You'll forgive me if I find that a bit unintelligible. And that still doesn't explain why you insisted on inflating the price differences between the two consoles to make the PS3 look more expensive than it actually is for the same features.

EternalGamer

07-31-2006, 02:15 PM

Oh, and one final thing - the core Xbox 360 is in no way as hobbled as the less-expensive PS3. You can add to the core 360 to bring it up to spec with the Premium version, something you will NEVER be able to do with the 20GB PS3, and here's why:

- No built-in Wi-fi
- No HDMI port
- No Memory Stick slot
- No SD card slot
- No Compact Flash slot

What are you talking about? The premium Xbox 360 has NONE of those things either. So unless you are calling it "hobbled" as well, your argument holds no ground. And, with the possible exception of HDMI, all those things could potentially be added later (and even that feature remains a possibility). You could add Wifi to the core PS3 just like you can add it to the 360. Neither of them come with it, or any of those other features, built in. How in the hell can you call the core version of the PS3 "hobbled" for not having features that the 360 also lacks? That's a pretty amazing double standard.

Siraris

07-31-2006, 02:16 PM

Oh, and one final thing - the core Xbox 360 is in no way as hobbled as the less-expensive PS3. You can add to the core 360 to bring it up to spec with the Premium version, something you will NEVER be able to do with the 20GB PS3, and here's why:

- No built-in Wi-fi
- No HDMI port
- No Memory Stick slot
- No SD card slot
- No Compact Flash slot

Um..

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=br_ss_hs/103-7724535-6913416?platform=gurupa&url=index%3Dblended&keywords=USB+Wifi+adapter

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820223071

You can get USB Wifi adapters for ~$20 bucks, and a USB card reader for less than $10. You have almost every option of the premium bundle for ~$430 bucks. The only thing you can't get is HDMI, and if you buy the base system without HDMI, you most likely don't have an HDMI capable TV at the time nor would you notice the difference if you did have one.

EternalGamer

07-31-2006, 02:22 PM

Um..

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=br_ss_hs/103-7724535-6913416?platform=gurupa&url=index%3Dblended&keywords=USB+Wifi+adapter

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820223071

You can get USB Wifi adapters for ~$20 bucks, and a USB card reader for less than $10. You have almost every option of the premium bundle for ~$430 bucks. The only thing you can't get is HDMI, and if you buy the base system without HDMI, you most likely don't have an HDMI capable TV at the time nor would you notice the difference if you did have one.

But you are forgetting the silver logo and trim! The core PS3 doesn't have it and the premium 360 does. Therefore it is clear that the core PS3 is "hobbled." :rolleyes:

Khash

07-31-2006, 02:30 PM

I wonder of the PS3 wireless controllers will also require the purchase of a Play&Charge kit like the 360.

EternalGamer

07-31-2006, 02:34 PM

The 360 doesn't require it. You can use batteries, which last quite a long time. I have one play and charge, but in my other controllers I just use rechargable batteries, which I already had lying around. I imagine the same will be true for the PS3.

Zanzibar

07-31-2006, 02:38 PM

Johan

07-31-2006, 02:41 PM

Or am I off my tits?

Only in Mel Gibson's eyes ;)

fitbabits

07-31-2006, 02:45 PM

What are you talking about? The premium Xbox 360 has NONE of those things either. So unless you are calling it "hobbled" as well, your argument holds no ground. And, with the possible exception of HDMI, all those things could potentially be added later (and even that feature remains a possibility). You could add Wifi to the core PS3 just like you can add it to the 360. Neither of them come with it, or any of those other features, built in. How in the hell can you call the core version of the PS3 "hobbled" for not having features that the 360 also lacks? That's a pretty amazing double standard.
Motherfucking DAMMIT! You know why I hate these kinds of arguments? Because it's too fucking easy to get into some stupid pissing contest only to have someone come along and point out just how ridiculous your points are.

Then you end up looking like a total fucking tool (hello, me!). I could kick myself for even going there, but I'm willing to concede that the points I made were a little, shall we say, stupid.

In summary - I got involved in a pissing contest and was made to look like a fanboy-tastic whore, which I don't consider myself to be at all.

Awesome! :(

Kelegacy

07-31-2006, 02:59 PM

But you are forgetting the silver logo and trim! The core PS3 doesn't have it and the premium 360 does. Therefore it is clear that the core PS3 is "hobbled." :rolleyes:
The fact that you can put any hard drive into it is also a major plus. MS charged Core owners 100 bucks for 20 gigs (13 gigs, actually) which is practically robbery.

I think Live should be free already. At least online gaming. The rest, the frills and features, can be per pay basis if they wish. MS already does subliminal advertising on Live and people PAY for subscriptions. I always get "featured downloads" blocks with Entourage, Superman, Verizon sponsoring this or that, on the main page of Live. That's advertising, even if its for free trailers and shit.

I hope Sony's online service is respectable. All I want to do is play online with my buds without having to pay a monthly fee. I already bought the machine, the games, so why do I have to pay more to actually enjoy a game like Chromehounds or Battlefield? I want the consoles to offer free things like the PC world does, not nickle and dime you at every goddamn turn.

Siraris

07-31-2006, 03:04 PM

Fair enough, I won't bet $600 on it. You say it won't, and good for you if you're right.

I count 8 or 9 PS3 exclusives on that list of 23 games. Maybe 2 or 3 of them are AAA titles, but really now, none of them are system-seller killer apps. Meanwhile, Xbox 360's list of AAA titles will be pretty strong by then, and there will be plenty of X360s on the shelves.

And all of that doesn't take into account the actual point of this thread - potential MS incentives to buy the X360.

First of all, Sony officially says that all the basic multi-player features - gaming, matchmaking, chatting - will be free, and they will only charge for special services. This most likely means micro-transactions.

Second of all, I didn't start, nor was I trying to start an argument about AAA titles for the PS3 launch, how many launch titles they have, or what the 360 AAA titles are. Someone else went that direction, and everyone jumped on board. And since you mention it, why bring up the AAA titles the 360 will have by this fall? Are you comparing launch titles from one system to titles for another system that has been out for a year? I don't really think that's fair, as the 360 only had around 2 AAA launch titles, and only 18 games compared to the 23 already confirmed for PS3.

Kelegacy

07-31-2006, 03:05 PM

Motherfucking DAMMIT! You know why I hate these kinds of arguments? Because it's too fucking easy to get into some stupid pissing contest only to have someone come along and point out just how ridiculous your points are.

Then you end up looking like a total fucking tool (hello, me!). I could kick myself for even going there, but I'm willing to concede that the points I made were a little, shall we say, stupid.

In summary - I got involved in a pissing contest and was made to look like a fanboy-tastic whore, which I don't consider myself to be at all.

Awesome! :(
Don't feel bad, fitbabits. I hate getting drawn into those kinds of arguements, too. Sometimes I don't even realize it until I stop for a moment, take a long drink of a nice smooth coffee, and think rationally for a second. I realize I just made a complete ass of myself, came off as a ranting fanboy, and tarnished my own reputation. Silly, but many of us are guilty of it.

Shrug it off, cowboy. Shrug it off. At least you caught yourself in the act, while most Heavenly Comet worshippers (360, Nintendo, and Sony alike) go on looking like fools and never knowing it.

Xerxes

07-31-2006, 03:09 PM

The only thing you can't get is HDMI, and if you buy the base system without HDMI, you most likely don't have an HDMI capable TV at the time nor would you notice the difference if you did have one.

I wanna know why fits can't have a HDMI capable TV? You make it soudn like he's Oscar the grouch. :confused:

Xerxes

07-31-2006, 03:10 PM

I hope Sony's online service is respectable. All I want to do is play online with my buds without having to pay a monthly fee. I already bought the machine, the games, so why do I have to pay more to actually enjoy a game like Chromehounds or Battlefield? I want the consoles to offer free things like the PC world does, not nickle and dime you at every goddamn turn.

Have you played the current PS2 online free service. It's gonna be more of the same and I don't know one person who liked it. That's what free gets you

Zanzibar

07-31-2006, 03:19 PM

First of all, Sony officially says that all the basic multi-player features - gaming, matchmaking, chatting - will be free, and they will only charge for special services. This most likely means micro-transactions.

Second of all, I didn't start, nor was I trying to start an argument about AAA titles for the PS3 launch, how many launch titles they have, or what the 360 AAA titles are. Someone else went that direction, and everyone jumped on board. And since you mention it, why bring up the AAA titles the 360 will have by this fall? Are you comparing launch titles from one system to titles for another system that has been out for a year? I don't really think that's fair, as the 360 only had around 2 AAA launch titles, and only 18 games compared to the 23 already confirmed for PS3.

Well, I had heard that SONY won't be charging for it, but they left the door open for the individual PUBLISHERS to charge whatever they felt like.

As far as AAA titles, I'm only talking about what John Q. CasualGamer (or his Mom) has to go by this coming Christmas. In the store, they're gonna compare the titles on-the-shelf, and the X360 will have a BOATLOAD of titles. The PS3 will have 23, and 15 of those are ALSO available on the X360. THEN pile on any goodies/price cuts that MS is gonna throw at the shoppers.

FINALLY, the PS3 won't be on the shelves. The fanboys/eBay shills will have bought them all.

Prediction: the X360 outsells the PS3 by 4-1 this Christmas.

Siraris

07-31-2006, 03:20 PM

I wanna know why fits can't have a HDMI capable TV? You make it soudn like he's Oscar the grouch. :confused:

Huh? Where did I say he doesn't have an HDMI capable TV?

Kelegacy

07-31-2006, 03:22 PM

Have you played the current PS2 online free service. It's gonna be more of the same and I don't know one person who liked it. That's what free gets you
No, it will be better than that. They first were going to keep it like the PS2, but they've already said they've got a different service lined up. Free doesn't have to mean suckage. PS2's might have been bad, but it wasn't a key focus for them. The Xbox made online important, so Sony has to offer a competing system or fall behind a bit. Online is here to stay from now on.

The PS3's system will be functional, but probably without a lot of frills. That's fine by me. If I can jump into a game easily, and save myself 50 bucks a year, I'll do it. Paying MS to let you play your own games is a bit silly, even if their system is pretty slick. I already pay for my cable net, why should I want to pay for another internet service to work with my internet service?

So, the idea that free is bad while paying is superior isn't always correct. I had sex for free on Friday, but I could have paid for a hooker down the street. I'm sure that both would have brought me to the same conclusion, but one saved me a helluva lot of dough. :)

Xerxes

07-31-2006, 03:23 PM

Huh? Where did I say he doesn't have an HDMI capable TV?

where i quoted from you...

The only thing you can't get is HDMI, and if you buy the base system without HDMI, you most likely don't have an HDMI capable TV at the time nor would you notice the difference if you did have one.

EternalGamer

07-31-2006, 03:24 PM

Motherfucking DAMMIT! You know why I hate these kinds of arguments? Because it's too fucking easy to get into some stupid pissing contest only to have someone come along and point out just how ridiculous your points are.

Then you end up looking like a total fucking tool (hello, me!). I could kick myself for even going there, but I'm willing to concede that the points I made were a little, shall we say, stupid.

In summary - I got involved in a pissing contest and was made to look like a fanboy-tastic whore, which I don't consider myself to be at all.

Awesome! :(

Hey, man, no need to get worked up. I know you started just trying to kick a little shit back at a troll. And like Kel said, it does happen to all of us. I'll steal a line from GrinR and pronounce it "Miller time."

Or, actually in my case, um.. other mind alteration substance time. (Friends who give "graduate presents in ziplock bags are the best). Time to crank on some Jack Johnson and relax. :)

Khash

07-31-2006, 03:25 PM

Do the launch titles really matter? It's gonna be impossible to find one for the first 6 months anyway. By the time you start seeing PS3s on shelves, there will be many more titles around to push customers one way or the other.

Xerxes

07-31-2006, 03:26 PM

No, it will be better than that. They first were going to keep it like the PS2, but they've already said they've got a different service lined up. Free doesn't have to mean suckage. PS2's might have been bad, but it wasn't a key focus for them. The Xbox made online important, so Sony has to offer a competing system or fall behind a bit. Online is here to stay from now on.

The PS3's system will be functional, but probably without a lot of frills. That's fine by me. If I can jump into a game easyily, and save myself 50 bucks a year, I'll do it. Paying MS to let you play your own games is a bit silly, even if their system is pretty slick.

So, the idea that free is bad while paying is superior isn't always correct. I had sex for free on Friday, but I could have paid for a hooker down the street. I'm sure that both would have brought me to the same conclusion, but one saved me a helluva lot of dough. :)

I don't recall saying free is "bad" but it's not always that great. To play off your analogy, it's like free sex with just missonary, which is fine, then theres paying to get some blowjob action, doggy style and it's familiar good cooch at that. We still have no idea what Sony plans to offer although it sound a hell of alot like the current system.

Kelegacy

07-31-2006, 03:27 PM

Or, actually in my case, um.. other mind alteration substance time. (Friends who give "graduate presents in ziplock bags are the best). Time to crank on some Jack Johnson and relax. :)
I'm coming over.

Siraris

07-31-2006, 03:27 PM

where i quoted from you...

I'm sorry, I don't know where in that quote I was talking about fitabits, or where I was suggesting he didnt' have an HDMI capable TV.

All I said was that if someone buys the lower end version, they probably don't have a HDMI capable TV (or else they would most likely buy the $600 version as if they can afford a HDMI capable TV they could afford $100 extra for the premium system), or it is likely they wouldn't notice the difference that HDMI offers as they probably aren't that technically inclined.

But, hey, read into it however you want.

Kelegacy

07-31-2006, 03:27 PM

I don't recall saying free is "bad" but it's not always that great. To play off your analogy, it's like free sex with just missonary, which is fine, then theres paying to get some blowjob action, doggy style and it's familiar good cooch at that. We still have no idea what Sony plans to offer although it sound a hell of alot like the current system.
I love sex analogies. Motherfucker, I do! :)

Zanzibar

07-31-2006, 03:29 PM

Xerxes

07-31-2006, 03:30 PM

I love sex analogies. Motherfucker, I do! :)

LOL... Yeah but I can see where you would be mad if the paid sex kept telling you about some different lubes and condoms you could use, ads. And free trailers i guess would be samples.

EternalGamer

07-31-2006, 03:33 PM

I'm coming over.

The more the merrier. Ironically, when I was reading your message the song that was playing was "The Sharing Song" from the Curious George album. That song (while more of a kids song) can have some really funny double meanings, many of which I suspect are not without intention.

"It's always more fun, to share with everyone."

Jack B

07-31-2006, 03:33 PM

First of all, Sony officially says that all the basic multi-player features - gaming, matchmaking, chatting - will be free, and they will only charge for special services. This most likely means micro-transactions.

Second of all, I didn't start, nor was I trying to start an argument about AAA titles for the PS3 launch, how many launch titles they have, or what the 360 AAA titles are. Someone else went that direction, and everyone jumped on board. And since you mention it, why bring up the AAA titles the 360 will have by this fall? Are you comparing launch titles from one system to titles for another system that has been out for a year? I don't really think that's fair, as the 360 only had around 2 AAA launch titles, and only 18 games compared to the 23 already confirmed for PS3.

I wouldn't doubt the launch titles won't be 100% known until about 1 month 'til launch (as happened with the 360 too), but do you have a link to the current list?

The last list I had was 15 games. I wouldn't be surprised to see it get bigger or smaller, but would be interested in a current official list. Thanks.

Siraris

07-31-2006, 03:34 PM

I wouldn't doubt the launch titles won't be 100% known until about 1 month 'til launch, but do you have a link to the current list?

The last list I had was 15 games. I wouldn't be surprised to see it get bigger or smaller, but would be interested in a current official list. Thanks.

http://ps3.ign.com/index/release.html

Xerxes

07-31-2006, 03:37 PM

I'm sorry, I don't know where in that quote I was talking about fitabits, or where I was suggesting he didnt' have an HDMI capable TV.

All I said was that if someone buys the lower end version, they probably don't have a HDMI capable TV (or else they would most likely buy the $600 version as if they can afford a HDMI capable TV they could afford $100 extra for the premium system), or it is likely they wouldn't notice the difference that HDMI offers as they probably aren't that technically inclined.

But, hey, read into it however you want.

I guess you used you as a <insert correct english term> insted of the <insert correct english term>, not directly at him but figuratively. I think.

And what the verdict on the blueray player. I thought the $500 version didn't have what's needed to play Blue Ray at all.

But does HDMI really ever play into it? How much does it cost to raise the $500 to the $600 version is the question.

Xerxes

07-31-2006, 03:39 PM

http://ps3.ign.com/index/release.html

Um aren't like 13 of those coming to the Xbox 360 or will already be there? :confused:

Siraris

07-31-2006, 03:44 PM

I guess you used you as a <insert correct english term> insted of the <insert correct english term>, not directly at him but figuratively. I think.

And what the verdict on the blueray player. I thought the $500 version didn't have what's needed to play Blue Ray at all.

But does HDMI really ever play into it? How much does it cost to raise the $500 to the $600 version is the question.

The only thing stopping a 1080p signal from being transmitted over a component cable is a flag enabled by the movie studios. If the flag is not enabled, 1080p can be transmit over component or DVI (without HDCP). Furthermore, a game will never be prevented from being transmitted over 1080p, only movies. The flag is being held off until 2010-2011, so that means anyone with a TV that has component but can view a HD signal, will be able to do so until then. This was most likely done because adoption of HD is still below the majority.

HDMI plays into it because it can carry a secure digital signal, it can display better quality video, and it can also carry a much better digital audio signal (Dobly True HD and I forget the name of the other format).

Siraris

07-31-2006, 03:45 PM

Um aren't like 13 of those coming to the Xbox 360 or will already be there? :confused:

um? Is this your first console launch? There are very few if ANY exclusive titles available at launch. 3rd party titles will be almost always cross-platform, especially in this generation of consoles. I also was not posting it to show off the exclusive titles for the PS3 launch, I posted it because Jack B asked me to link to where I got that there are 23 PS3 launch titles.

EternalGamer

07-31-2006, 03:57 PM

For the record, I'm with Kel on the idea that you can't assume that something is worse just because it is "less" in terms of monetary terms. The internet itself is pretty good proof of this concept. How many "free" programs or services do you take advantage of on it every day that are better than pay counterparts?

Edit: Syncretism again. This is a line from the song playing while I was typing:

"Everything I'd been working for was only worth nickles and dimes.
But if I had an hour for every minute that I wasted, I'd be rich in time."

Twice in a row. That's pretty amazing. Or maybe its just the contents of this ziplock that are responsible for making it amazing...

Kelegacy

07-31-2006, 04:01 PM

The more the merrier. Ironically, when I was reading your message the song that was playing was "The Sharing Song" from the Curious George album. That song (while more of a kids song) can have some really funny double meanings, many of which I suspect are not without intention.

"It's always more fun, to share with everyone."
Following the Greeny Bud Road is never as fun alone.

Funny, I just watched the Sherpa episode of Entourage last night (Val Kilmer played the smoked out Sherpa) and I saw a glimpse of heaven in that compound.

Siraris

07-31-2006, 04:02 PM

Siraris

07-31-2006, 04:04 PM

EternalGamer

07-31-2006, 04:06 PM

Following the Greeny Bud Road is never as fun alone.

Funny, I just watched the Sherpa episode of Entourage last night (Val Kilmer played the smoked out Sherpa) and I saw a glimpse of heaven in that compound.

I don't remember that episode was it from the first season? I didn't start watching Entourage until about half way through the first season, so I missed some of the early episodes. It seems like like Turtle is following the Greeny Bud Road just about every episode though. It cracked me up a few episodes ago when Arie was pissed about Vince walking out of the room and refusing to talk to him and Turtle just looks up and shrugs and responds by offering him his bong.

Kelegacy

07-31-2006, 04:14 PM

I don't remember that episode was it from the first season? I didn't start watching Entourage until about half way through the first season, so I missed some of the early episodes. It seems like like Turtle is following the Greeny Bud Road just about every episode though. It cracked me up a few episodes ago when Arie was pissed about Vince walking out of the room and refusing to talk to him and Turtle just looks up and shrugs and responds by offering him his bong.
There were 8 eps in the first season, it might have been 5 or 6. It's when Vince is seeing that girl for "too long", the vegan yoga girl. Great episode.

Oh, and I just coined Greeny Bud Road. I'm gonna be a fucking star.

EternalGamer

07-31-2006, 04:27 PM

"Vegan Yoga girl" is not ringing any bells. Maybe I missed more of the first season than I recalled... Time to Netflix.

Siraris

07-31-2006, 06:46 PM

I know we're talking about Entourage, and I just stumbled upon this, so i thought I'd share.

http://thatvideosite.com/view/2885.html

LOL

Achilles

07-31-2006, 11:46 PM

http://ps3.ign.com/index/release.htmlDid you check out fl0w? It looks like it'll be available from their online service like an XBLA game, and it sounds like Spore. Not a lot of information on it, but it does seem to reveal that they'll have a service like Live Arcade.

Siraris

08-01-2006, 08:18 AM

Did you check out fl0w? It looks like it'll be available from their online service like an XBLA game, and it sounds like Spore. Not a lot of information on it, but it does seem to reveal that they'll have a service like Live Arcade.

Yea I played it online. I mean I guess it's like spore in its most rudementary form... It's really cool and relaxing to play, I like it a lot. I beat it actually. :)

http://intihuatani.usc.edu/cloud/flowing/

Khash

08-01-2006, 03:01 PM

Achilles

08-01-2006, 03:32 PM

Yea I played it online. I mean I guess it's like spore in its most rudementary form... It's really cool and relaxing to play, I like it a lot. I beat it actually. :)

http://intihuatani.usc.edu/cloud/flowing/It's sort of like Pac-Man...sorta. It's actually kind of soothing.Cool. I plan on trying it as soon as I get out of work (like 8 hours from now :( ). Is it the sort of game that they'd use the tilt mechanisms in the PS3 controller for? It seems like it has a lot of flowing going on.

LogainAblar

08-01-2006, 09:56 PM

So, the idea that free is bad while paying is superior isn't always correct. I had sex for free on Friday, but I could have paid for a hooker down the street. I'm sure that both would have brought me to the same conclusion, but one saved me a helluva lot of dough. :)

Comparing that Friday night sex romp you had with your hand to a $20 blowjob actually makes for a pretty good analogy regarding most aspects of life. One the one hand (no pun intended) you get a free service where you have to work out the details yourself; and on the other, you pay a flat fee and let the servicer do the rest.

Of course, if the PS3 online service is anywhere near as good as Sony maintains, it will be like getting laid for free (a concept most gamers can hardly grasp).