Mark Rein says PS3 "In better place for launch" than 360

[BenN1ce]

Eurogamer (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=66314) has the quote:

"Developers were just getting final PS3 hardware [around E3], which is a long time before ship," Rein told Eurogamer TV in an exclusive interview now showing. "Developers did not have finished Xbox 360 hardware last year at E3. So Sony's actually maybe in a better place vis-a-vis Microsoft in relation to launch."

"I think Sony's in a good spot with the PlayStation 3," he added. "I know we're getting some great results with it back at our house, so I would expect other developers will be as well."
Liq's Note: Eurogamer also has the video interivew (http://www.eurogamer.net/tv_video.php?playlist_id=721&s=l) with Mark Rein.

[TrackZero]

Yes, that's why THQ pushed back their next Wrestling title for it.....

[Zanzibar]

Hey, did we already know that UT 2007 was coming out for the X360? See bold below:

And speaking of Epic games in development, while 360 action title Gears of War was undoubtedly one of the more visually amazing titles on show during May's gaming spectacular, Rein promised that improved tech will mean that the final version will raise the bar still further.

"[The E3 demo] was using our single-threaded rendered. We have our new Gemini multi-threaded rendered working in the engine right now," Rein explained. "The final game's built on it, it gives us better frame rates and more fluidity - UT 2007 will also benefit from it. It only gets better from here. So if you were impressed with Gears of War at E3, the finished game's going to be much better, it's going to be spectacular."

If we did, I didn't know it.

[Kamalot]

What Mark Rein really means is, "Epic is farther along now with our Unreal Engine than we were when the 360 launched."

Seriously, the man is so focused on his little corner of the universe that he does not even consider Wii to be a console.

[JazGalaxy]

I wish Epic would quit all this Unreal nonsense and make a new Jill of The Jungle already...

In other news, I don't understand why any developer would risk making a PS3 exclusive at this point. The industry is already looking at Wii to be a blowout success, and the X360 already has an installed user base that is larger than the PS3s will be at any point that a fully priced launch title would be viable on a store shelf. That is to say, if the PS3 takes a year to catch up to X360, then the only time an exlcusive would make sense is after a year of PS3 being out. Certainly not at launch. Add to that the fact that nobody knows how the PS3 is going to do, and a developer would be nuts to make a PS3 exclusive.

[Jack B]

Hey, did we already know that UT 2007 was coming out for the X360? See bold below:



If we did, I didn't know it.

Yes, the UT2007 to the 360 news was out about 1 month ago or so. We're seeing a lot of titles coming to the 360 that weren't mentioned previously. PS3 3rd party exclusives beyond the MGS4/Final Fantasy titles are getting harder to find.

The PS3 should be in a better place than the 360 was at launch since the PS3 was delayed 6 months...

I'm very happy to hear they went from single threaded in the GOW E3 demo to multi-threaded now. I'm assuming he's right, that it makes a very noticable difference with more fluid animations...

That bodes well for the next generation, whether it's on a PS3 or a 360, because I'd say Gears of War may set the bar this holiday season for showing off what Next Gen consoles can do...

I'm sure GOW will be dethroned in 2007, but it's a great start (assuming GRAW or COD II wasn't the start...)!

[Slack3r78]

What Mark Rein really means is, "Epic is farther along now with our Unreal Engine than we were when the 360 launched."

Seriously, the man is so focused on his little corner of the universe that he does not even consider Wii to be a console.
Kamalot, I'm starting to think you're doing that whole 'be mean to people you have a crush on' thing to Mark Rein. Seriously dude, that shit's so first grade. The only person you're fooling is yourself. I mean, the man already confessed his love for you yesterday. ;)

[Zanzibar]

I wish Epic would quit all this Unreal nonsense and make a new Jill of The Jungle already...

In other news, I don't understand why any developer would risk making a PS3 exclusive at this point. The industry is already looking at Wii to be a blowout success, and the X360 already has an installed user base that is larger than the PS3s will be at any point that a fully priced launch title would be viable on a store shelf. That is to say, if the PS3 takes a year to catch up to X360, then the only time an exlcusive would make sense is after a year of PS3 being out. Certainly not at launch. Add to that the fact that nobody knows how the PS3 is going to do, and a developer would be nuts to make a PS3 exclusive.

The X360 launch was a real eye-opener for a lot of publishers. The system shortages really stuck it to their bottom line; a lot of publishers' games sold NOWHERE NEAR what they had hoped, yet they still had to bust their asses on making kick-ass games. Activision had 4 X360 launch titles (granted, GUN was just a high-def port), and only CoD2 sold anywhere near 'good.'

So, a lot of publishers looked at the impending PS3 delay and correctly saw the same pattern shaping up for Christmas 06 - shortages of PS3 units mean significantly lower sales of their games. A lot of publishers then immediately started to look into multiplatform versions to offset the costs. It's a win-win for them if they go multiplatform at this stage.

EDIT: I should mention that I don't disagree with Mark Rein's assessment of the PS3 launch. I mean, the only holdup was really with the Blu-Ray drive, which developers didn't need to make the games anyways, so it doesn't surprise me to hear that the 'final' dev kits (finished CPU/RSX, probably sans Blu-Ray players) were arriving at E3. Now it's up to the Blu-Ray manufacturers to not screw it up if Sony wants to make 2mil units for launch.

[Kamalot]

Kamalot, I'm starting to think you're doing that whole 'be mean to people you have a crush on' thing to Mark Rein. Seriously dude, that shit's so first grade. The only person you're fooling is yourself. I mean, the man already confessed his love for you yesterday. ;)
I know he loves me, that's why I'm playing hard-to-get.

[jeffbax]

CoD2 sold because it was the only Activision game worth buying.

[GodFather]

at $600 and god knows how much for the game, I dont care what the developers say, all I know is multiplatform games are not going to look like a huge difference from one another and the big difference in price makes me feel the 360 will be fine. I had the Xbox and a PS2, and the multiplatform games werent such a huge difference visually to take advantage of the Xbox hardware, I expect the same results wth the PS3 vs 360

[Mike Jones]

Hey, did we already know that UT 2007 was coming out for the X360?


If we did, I didn't know it.

Nice wishful thinking and good luck fitting 20GB on a DVD :D

[Zanzibar]

Nice wishful thinking and good luck fitting 20GB on a DVD :D
So, Mike, how would YOU interpret Mark Rein saying 'UT 2007 will benefit from GoW's multithreading Xbox 360 rendering engine'?

And where's this 20gb number coming from? Link, please.

[Balthasar]

So, Mike, how would YOU interpret Mark Rein saying 'UT 2007 will benefit from GoW's multithreading Xbox 360 rendering engine'
That largely depends on whether the 360's multicore processor is named "Gemini."

[oldjadedgamer]

The PS3 better be in a better place for launch then the 360 is... after all the PS3 *should* have been released 3-4 months ago.

It's easy to be in a "better place" when you delay the release of your system by 8 months.

[Zanzibar]

That largely depends on whether the 360's multicore processor is named "Gemini."Good point. I have no idea.

Still, if they're making one engine that can render both Gears of War (X360) and UT 2007 (PS3), then the likelihood of either/both games going multiplatform skyrockets.

[bapenguin]

Seriously, the man is so focused on his little corner of the universe that he does not even consider Wii to be a console.

Well, the Wii's market isn't exactly the kind of market Epic Games typically targets. That would be like saying the UT 4 engine is being optimized for the Intel 950G integrated graphics card. ;)

[Jack B]

Nice wishful thinking and good luck fitting 20GB on a DVD :D

Mike, UT2007 coming out for the 360 has already been announced it's not "wishful thinking".

[Mike Jones]

Mike, UT2007 coming out for the 360 has already been announced it's not "wishful thinking".

Negative. Find me a quote from Epic saying so. Good luck ;)

[Kamalot]

Negative. Find me a quote from Epic saying so. Good luck ;)
I saw a video of Mark Rein saying that Unreal Tournament 2007 is coming to "consoles" and the PC. Unless he was speaking of multiple PS3s, one can assume he meant that it is coming to the 360 as well.

I believe this is the one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BFs-y2zSVw

Edit: Try around 2:50 where he says, "bringing it to next-gen consoles"

[KNOTE]

That largely depends on whether the 360's multicore processor is named "Gemini."

Gemini is the codename for the Unreal 3 engine renderer that is multi-threaded. It's an update to the engine that's been in the works for a while.

[Mdot23]

Still, if they're making one engine that can render both Gears of War (X360) and UT 2007 (PS3), then the likelihood of either/both games going multiplatform skyrockets.

good point

[The Iron Weasel]

Good point. I have no idea.

Still, if they're making one engine that can render both Gears of War (X360) and UT 2007 (PS3), then the likelihood of either/both games going multiplatform skyrockets.

I don't think theres any chance of Gears Of War going to PS3, considering its being published by Microsoft Game Studios. Unless they have completely lost it.

[Stormwatcher]

ZOMG MS is TEH d00m3d.

Ok, people can stop complaining about the lack of positive Sony topics.

[Kamalot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BFs-y2zSVw

Time: 1:48
Its gonna be on consoles, its gonna be on PC.

[Zanzibar]

I don't think theres any chance of Gears Of War going to PS3, considering its being published by Microsoft Game Studios. Unless they have completely lost it.Forgot it was MGS. Yeah, forget it then. UT 2007, however, is published by Midway.

[JawaSnack]

UE3 Engine is billed as a next gen pc/console game engine that takes adavantage of multiple processor, I'm sure GOW would run fine on the PS3 but I doubt it will ever show up on that console as MS has paid Epic enough to rebuild Lebanon for exclusive rights and wants to make GOW one of their "Halo like Franchise games" just as I'm sure UT2007 would run fine on the 360 but I've yet to see Epic say it was coming to MS console (if i'm wrong please provide a link)....

[Evil Avnovice]

Ah yes, and I'm in better place for the very first PS3, a rubber duckie, and my reserved copy of "Too Good To Be True Fully CG-Rendered FPS", all tied together with an excellent online package. :rolleyes:

Which is even better when the system was to have originally launched just this spring.

[Mike Jones]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BFs-y2zSVw

Time: 1:48

Wow good news then. I can play it on my Wii :D

[Roc Ingersol]

The PS3 better be in a better place for launch then the 360 is... after all the PS3 *should* have been released 3-4 months ago.

It's easy to be in a "better place" when you delay the release of your system by 8 months.
winner.

8 9 10 -- fuckin limit

[Watership]

What Mark really means is.. Gears of War for the PS3.

[Jack B]

Negative. Find me a quote from Epic saying so. Good luck ;)

Unreal Tournament is coming to the 360. Get over it. I remember having the same type discussions with Sony fanboys in the early Spring when they swore the Unreal 3 engine would never come to the 360 as it was only being used in Unreal Tournament for the PS3. Trying to tell them Gears of War was using the Unreal engine was like talking to a brick wall... Sony fanboys just deny deny deny until it happens and then say, well that's no big deal anyway...

You such a dolt sometimes. I'd put you in my top 5 of Sony trolls. Usually your posts are consumate troll. Bam, one or two sentences and you're out, except for when you plagiarized those posts from other forums and called them your own... (and yes, I'm sure many of us here do remember that...) They were much longer and more thought out... I knew when I read them it didn't sound like you.... :D

I also won't soon forget your 1/5 equals 30% post... Classic! :D

by Mike Jones....Is it true that all the games shown at E3 were running only 1/5 the potential of the
PS3? This means we've only just seen what the PS3 is capable of doing at such an early stage. Wow think how the games will be when their running 5/5 on the PS3.

This is correct. We estimate that we are currently only tapping around 30% of the PS3's potential power. :D

click here Xbox The Official Magazine (http://www.oxm.co.uk/games/1st_person/unreal_tournament_2007)

click here Team Xbox (http://games.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1267/Unreal-Tournament-2007/)

click here Gametrailers.com (http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2469)

click here IGN "Every 360 Game" article (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/625/625795p9.html)

Unreal Tournament 2007
Publisher: Midway
Developer: Epic
Genre: First-Person Shooter

The fourth in the series is the first UT on Xbox 360. Although we don't know much about the game yet, we do know it's built on the Unreal 3.0 engine, which is skeet hot, and that it's going to focus on competitive play with tons of guns and vehicles. Expect blazing fast first-person action, huge guns, vehicular play, and one hell of an Xbox Live game.

click here 1up.com (http://ps3.1up.com/do/gameOverview?cId=3140445)

[Captain Awesome]

I dont even care if at some point what this guy says is true. I just want him to shut the fuck up.

[Kamalot]

Here's a great video of Mark Rein being a total asshole to everyone except Microsoft.

http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/661/661405/vids_1.html

[Mike Jones]

I also won't soon forget your 1/5 equals 30% post... Classic! :D



Good one moron. I cut and pasted an answer to a question on a forum which makes me not be able to do math lol lol lol. Your an idiot :D . Nice try though. Why don't you go to the forum and tell the dev he can't do math ;). By the way....i'm still waiting for the Epic quote saying " yes UT 2007 is coming to the 360" . Is that really hard to find???? I'm sure you can do it.

[Wyrm]

Wow good news then. I can play it on my Wii :D

You are seriously a fucker. Why do you care to try and prove people wrong about this stuff? It's BETTER if these games go to all the consoles. Stop being a little bitch/sony fanboi.

[Mr.Condescension]

I wish Epic would quit all this Unreal nonsense and make a new Jill of The Jungle already...

In other news, I don't understand why any developer would risk making a PS3 exclusive at this point. The industry is already looking at Wii to be a blowout success, and the X360 already has an installed user base that is larger than the PS3s will be at any point that a fully priced launch title would be viable on a store shelf. That is to say, if the PS3 takes a year to catch up to X360, then the only time an exlcusive would make sense is after a year of PS3 being out. Certainly not at launch. Add to that the fact that nobody knows how the PS3 is going to do, and a developer would be nuts to make a PS3 exclusive.

Ted Price of Insomniac had this to say on that subject in a recent interview (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=10207):

Actually, I think we’re in a really good position because having a launch title for PS3 means the game gets a lot of exposure. And you mentioned before that the first-person shooter genre is extremely crowded – that’s true. But one of the best times to introduce a new franchise is at a platform launch because there are fewer games around in general. Notwithstanding the timing, the game should stand on its own, but the additional exposure at launch should help us further establish Resistance as a long-term franchise. So, for us we’re definitely looking forward to the launch of the PS3, and we’re certainly keeping our fingers crossed that people enjoy what PS3 has to offer.

Here's a further question to mull over. Had Halo been released by Bungie on the PS2 instead of the XBOX, would it have been considered the cat's pajamas and sold tons of PS2s? Probably not. It was a sensational hit in large part due to the glut of games on the XBOX at the time. Look how big a name Bungie have made for themselves based on an exclusive game on a newer system with a small market share.

[Zanzibar]

Let's stop feeding the troll.

He's waiting for official confirmation from Epic, which won't be coming for a while, because Sony is paying them not to. He KNOWS there won't be official confirmation too, so until there is, he'll keep grinning that stupid grin and saying "It's not coming for Xbox 360! It's not! Prove that it is! :D "

But he'll be wrong.

[Jack B]

Good one moron. I cut and pasted an answer to a question on a forum which makes me not be able to do math lol lol lol. Your an idiot :D . Nice try though. Why don't you go to the forum and tell the dev he can't do math ;). By the way....i'm still waiting for the Epic quote saying " yes UT 2007 is coming to the 360" . Is that really hard to find???? I'm sure you can do it.

What about the plagiarizing of posts? Care to defend that one? Please, I'm waiting.... :D Do you just troll all the forums and copy the best posts and call them your own???? I wonder how many Evil Avatar posts you've copied and posted on other forums as your own.... :mad:

This was your entire post (see below). Once again I see no references to you cutting and pasting an answer to a question on a forum!!! What the fuck! Why don't you think for yourself and stop ripping off others.

At least Siraris posts his own thoughts. You epitomize the younger fanboy. No substance, just pure trolling. You just post crap or literally steal it from some other forum and try to pass it off as your own. We've caught you before and now you even use the "oh, it wasn't my comment, I cut and pasted it from someone else" as your excuse for the 30% comment...

Is it true that all the games shown at E3 were running only 1/5 the potential of the
PS3? This means we've only just seen what the PS3 is capable of doing at such an early stage. Wow think how the games will be when their running 5/5 on the PS3.

This is correct. We estimate that we are currently only tapping around 30% of the PS3's potential power.

[Zanzibar]

Ted Price of Insomniac had this to say on that subject in a recent interview (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=10207):

See, now THAT I believe. He makes a really good point. Fewer games to fight with means that your game's attach rate for the console will be really good.

Now, their SALES won't be so hot due to hardware shortages, but if they can create a good game with potential for sequels, then the attach number will convince the publishers to go with it.

Great for the devs' future, sucks for the publisher's investors.

[jacktion]

Here's my new process for listening to Mark Rein.

1. Listen to what he says.
2. Realize that the exact opposite is true.

Seriously, this guy is losing credibility faster than the Bush administration.


ooh snap.

[Mr.Condescension]

Yes, the UT2007 to the 360 news was out about 1 month ago or so.

Um....I'd like to see something on this, because I haven't heard any news that it's not PC and PS3 only at this point. This article mentions the engine will improve UT2K7, not that UT2K7 will be on the 360. Please point me in the direction of some literature, because you've got me very curious.

edit: hadn't seen JackB's link deluge. Consider me newly informed.

[Jack B]

Let's stop feeding the troll.

He's waiting for official confirmation from Epic, which won't be coming for a while, because Sony is paying them not to. He KNOWS there won't be official confirmation too, so until there is, he'll keep grinning that stupid grin and saying "It's not coming for Xbox 360! It's not! Prove that it is! :D "

But he'll be wrong.

Good call Zanzibar. He has 174 troll posts. I respond to one ever 50 or so... Every so often he just gets under my skin. Must... resist... now...

[LogainAblar]

Just ignore Mike Jones. Even if Epic announces a 360 version of UT2007, he'll just make another smart-ass comment. He's a nobody who gets his kicks arguing; ignore him, and he's got nothing.

[Jack B]

Um....I'd like to see something on this, because I haven't heard any news that it's not PC and PS3 only at this point. This article mentions the engine will improve UT2K7, not that UT2K7 will be on the 360. Please point me in the direction of some literature, because you've got me very curious.

I posted about 5 URL's listing UT2007 as a 360 game earlier in this thread. I also heard it on a couple of podcasts, but I can't remember which ones. I listen to about 10 a week.

I don't have an "official" URL to Epic.

[Mike Jones]

What about the plagiarizing of posts? Care to defend that one? Please, I'm waiting.... :D Do you just troll all the forums and copy the best posts and call them your own???? I wonder how many Evil Avatar posts you've copied and posted on other forums as your own.... :mad:

This was your entire post (see below). Once again I see no references to you cutting and pasting an answer to a question on a forum!!! What the fuck! Why don't you think for yourself and stop ripping off others.

At least Siraris posts his own thoughts. You epitomize the younger fanboy. No substance, just pure trolling. You just post crap or literally steal it from some other forum and try to pass it off as your own. We've caught you before and now you even use the "oh, it wasn't my comment, I cut and pasted it from someone else" as your excuse for the 30% comment...

:D Your more amusing than reanimated except you need more tissues.

[Jack B]

:D Your more amusing than reanimated except you need more tissues.

And that's your response???? You are a lying, stealing little fucker who brings nothing to the table.

[fitbabits]

What about the plagiarizing of posts? Care to defend that one? Please, I'm waiting.... :D Do you just troll all the forums and copy the best posts and call them your own???? I wonder how many Evil Avatar posts you've copied and posted on other forums as your own.... :mad:
I'm somehow unaware of the plagiarizing of posts you mention! :confused:

[Mr.Condescension]

I also won't soon forget your 1/5 equals 30% post... Classic! :D

Now, now. If you'd followed his link that he later posted you'd see that he had made a direct quote but formatted it badly. The first sentence was a question to a dev, the second was an answer from a dev.

[Wyrm]

He's just such a moron, it's hard not to respond to him.

But yes, you are correct, ignoring him will be my policy from here on out. Need a mute button or something over here.

I think you PS3 guys are going to be shocked to find a whole lot of your games seeing 360 releases. If 5 million people do own 360s, that's an enormous install base that will continue to grow, and it's one they can't ignore. Plus, Epic put their games on xbox before, why pass up the opporunity to put it out with Live capabilities?

Now, I'm not a fanboy of any console in particular. I would love to own a PS3, I just wont be buying one at 600. In a perfect world, I'd have all three next gen consoles for the exclusives, but I can almost promise you that I wont buy a PS3 so that I can play Resistance....

[Mr.Condescension]

I posted about 5 URL's listing UT2007 as a 360 game earlier in this thread. I also heard it on a couple of podcasts, but I can't remember which ones. I listen to about 10 a week.

I don't have an "official" URL to Epic. Believe what you want. I'm out.

I hadn't gotten to your post yet. I stand corrected.

[Wyrm]

Um....I'd like to see something on this, because I haven't heard any news that it's not PC and PS3 only at this point. This article mentions the engine will improve UT2K7, not that UT2K7 will be on the 360. Please point me in the direction of some literature, because you've got me very curious.

edit: hadn't seen JackB's link deluge. Consider me newly informed.

I was about to add you to my /ignore list as well. :D

[Mr.Condescension]

I am but a man. I can only read so fast! lol

[Mike Jones]

And that's your response???? You are a lying, stealing little fucker who brings nothing to the table.

Is there a reason your so filled with rage? Mom finally tell you that she forgot to swallow you? You getting awfully mad over NOTHING :D

[TrackZero]

Is there a reason your so filled with rage? Mom finally tell you that she forgot to swallow you? You getting awfully mad over NOTHING :D

Another one to the ignore list. Good times.

[fitbabits]

Is there a reason your so filled with rage? Mom finally tell you that she forgot to swallow you? You getting awfully mad over NOTHING :D
What the fuck are you bumping your gums about? So you get called out for being a troll and you respond by insulting someone's mother. You have zero class.

Edit - And consider this a warning! A final warning.

[51|RandoM]

I have trouble getting excited about a known-PC fps coming to any console.

Its like knowing somebody has taken a piano concerto and recomposed it for Simon (http://boardgames.about.com/cs/newspublications/a/simon_25th.htm)

[Norse]

If Epic don't release UT2007 for the X360, they'll do an Unreal Championship 3 instead. Just as good if not better.

[Jack B]

I'm somehow unaware of the plagiarizing of posts you mention! :confused:

Fitbabits, here you go. Barry Bonds at least publically denies his accusations. Mike Jones won't even respond to the plagiarism claims.

Click here for the original post by Acert93 on Beyond3d.com (http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30962)

Does this look familiar? Well, if it does it's probably because Mike cut and pasted it into Evil Avatar and claimed it as his own. And yeah he did it again just now by "forgetting" to use quotes, but I know of at least one other time he was caught as well, but it would take way too long to find that one too.

It wouldn't surprise me if he's cut and pasted posts from Evil Avatar members and claimed as his own as well...

When you read his version, notice how many times the word "I" appears as in "I Mike Jones" think this... or wrote this... He didn't write shit. I'd get out the Banhammer, but that's not my call. I certainly don't post on Evil Avatar because of Mike Jones.

click here for stolen Mike Jones version of the Beyond3d.com post (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13202&page=1&pp=20&highlight=marketing)

Note: Credit for finding the duplicate post goes to fellow EA member, Guy Mariano.

[Jack B]

I hadn't gotten to your post yet. I stand corrected.

No, problem it's tough sometimes to read all the posts in a fast moving thread! :)

[Wyrm]

Fitbabits, here you go. Barry Bonds at least publically denies his accusations. Mike Jones won't even respond to the plagiarism claims.

Click here for the original post by Acer on Beyond3d.com (http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30962)

Does this look familiar? Well, if it does it's probably because Mike cut and pasted it into Evil Avatar and claimed it as his own. And yeah he did it again just now by "forgetting" to use quotes, but I know of at least one other time he was caught as well, but it would take way too long to find that one too.

It wouldn't surprise me if he's cut and pasted posts from Evil Avatar members and claimed as his own as well...

When you read his version, notice how many times the word "I" appears as in "I Mike Jones" think this... or wrote this... He didn't write shit. I'd get out the Banhammer, but that's not my call. I certainly don't post on Evil Avatar because of Mike Jones.

click here for stolen Mike Jones version of the Beyond3d.com post (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13202&page=1&pp=20&highlight=marketing)


That's fucking hilarious. Caught red handed.

[fitbabits]

Fitbabits, here you go. Barry Bonds at least publically denies his accusations. Mike Jones won't even respond to the plagiarism claims.

Click here for the original post by Acer on Beyond3d.com (http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30962)

Does this look familiar? Well, if it does it's probably because Mike cut and pasted it into Evil Avatar and claimed it as his own. And yeah he did it again just now by "forgetting" to use quotes, but I know of at least one other time he was caught as well, but it would take way too long to find that one too.

It wouldn't surprise me if he's cut and pasted posts from Evil Avatar members and claimed as his own as well...

When you read his version, notice how many times the word "I" appears as in "I Mike Jones" think this... or wrote this... He didn't write shit. I'd get out the Banhammer, but that's not my call. I certainly don't post on Evil Avatar because of Mike Jones.

click here for stolen Mike Jones version of the Beyond3d.com post (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13202&page=1&pp=20&highlight=marketing)
Holy fuck up a tree with a bike! I missed it because I was moving from NC to CO... DAMMIT!

[Zanzibar]

I have trouble getting excited about a known-PC fps coming to any console.

Its like knowing somebody has taken a piano concerto and recomposed it for Simon (http://boardgames.about.com/cs/newspublications/a/simon_25th.htm)

You know what, I was playing Uno on Xbox Live Arcade, and I played a wild card, so a round menu came up with 4 colors and I said to myself "Ooo! Simon mini-game!" before I realized they just wanted me to choose the goddamned color.

[JazGalaxy]

Ted Price of Insomniac had this to say on that subject in a recent interview (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=10207):



Here's a further question to mull over. Had Halo been released by Bungie on the PS2 instead of the XBOX, would it have been considered the cat's pajamas and sold tons of PS2s? Probably not. It was a sensational hit in large part due to the glut of games on the XBOX at the time. Look how big a name Bungie have made for themselves based on an exclusive game on a newer system with a small market share.

I'm not sure I can get behind Price's reasoning. It's well known, of course, that console launches are the best time to launch new franchises, but I don't believe that the PS3 qualifies as "just another console". It's basically, excuse the editiorial, an overpriced mess. A buyer looking at X360, Wii, and PS3 isn't comparing apples to apples, the way they were in previous generations. Each console is wildly different from one another. The PS3 very well may fail entirely and if it does, a developer may be looking to lose substantial amounts of money on a risk that doesn't need to be taken.

I understand where you're coming from with your Halo example, but I belive if Bungie were not owned by Microsoft, they never would have cancelled the PC version and probably would have made a Mac version too. I believe they reason they went X only was because Microsoft decided they were going to and that's pretty much the end of it. So to respond to your comment, I do not think Halo would have done as well on PS2 as the PS2 stands, but I believe that if Sony had launched an online network like Live, come out with a PS2 that was suped up with four controller ports, a harddrive, and had Halo as the flagship game for the new console, it would have had the same success, yes.

I think the real point to concider is "If Halo cost $600+, would it have sold as well as it did?"

[rezzinator]

Shitty logic. Halo itself doesn't cost 600 dollars, the game on a system costs 600 dollars. When you buy a system, do you buy it for the one game you wanna play? Or do you buy it for the complete package of games already out, soon to be released, on the drawing board, peripherals, overall ease of use and it's subjective power? Uh, if you're number one, I would like to congratulate your wallet. The rest of the gaming public however tends to look more at number 2. If Halo itself cost 600 dollars, it wouldn't have sold 10 discs.

Newsflash: Halo was released for PCs. And it's -still- a shitty game compared to the likes of CS, UT and the 2 billion other far superior pc FPS games. Now think back, go over how reality moves, and then come to this conclusion. The Xbox was hyped to shit and back, and it released with one decent game. For -months- and was followed by an overall lackluster release schedule that continued to underwhelm right up until the plug was pulled.

Had halo been released for the ps2? It would have sold more copies, due to a larger install base. If you think otherwise, you really need to look at the number of ps2s in homes vs. the number of xboxes again. That game sold the xbox -entirely- upon the hype MS built upon it, not upon any form of deserved glory or technical excellence. Sony didn't need a service like Live, it accidentally had shit tons more people to buy their games. And had it not been bundled with the xbox and it's -only- ok game for a long while, it wouldn't have sold shit post-xbox release either. It's hype was built entirely upon kids who have never touched a mouse. Fuck I hate halo.

[The Iron Weasel]

Shitty logic. Halo itself doesn't cost 600 dollars, the game on a system costs 600 dollars. When you buy a system, do you buy it for the one game you wanna play? Or do you buy it for the complete package of games already out, soon to be released, on the drawing board, peripherals, overall ease of use and it's subjective power? Uh, if you're number one, I would like to congratulate your wallet. The rest of the gaming public however tends to look more at number 2. If Halo itself cost 600 dollars, it wouldn't have sold 10 discs.

Newsflash: Halo was released for PCs. And it's -still- a shitty game compared to the likes of CS, UT and the 2 billion other far superior pc FPS games. Now think back, go over how reality moves, and then come to this conclusion. The Xbox was hyped to shit and back, and it released with one decent game. For -months- and was followed by an overall lackluster release schedule that continued to underwhelm right up until the plug was pulled.

Had halo been released for the ps2? It would have sold more copies, due to a larger install base. If you think otherwise, you really need to look at the number of ps2s in homes vs. the number of xboxes again. That game sold the xbox -entirely- upon the hype MS built upon it, not upon any form of deserved glory or technical excellence. Sony didn't need a service like Live, it accidentally had shit tons more people to buy their games. And had it not been bundled with the xbox and it's -only- ok game for a long while, it wouldn't have sold shit post-xbox release either. It's hype was built entirely upon kids who have never touched a mouse. Fuck I hate halo.

Good fucking god, every fucking time halo is brought the FUCK up this FUCKING HAPPENS. God damn some of you pc elitests are fucking douche bags. I swear to fuck its like they get upset that theres a good sucessful fps on something other then PC.

[Kamalot]

...if Bungie were not owned by Microsoft, they never would have cancelled the PC version and probably would have made a Mac version too. I believe they reason they went X only was because Microsoft decided they were going to and that's pretty much the end of it.
This is very true. Halo was initially developed as a Mac game. It would have been multi-platform, showing up on Macs and (eventually) PCs. Companies would have to be foolish to spend the cash to develop a PS3 exclusive game and then not be able to recover their investment.

[Balthasar]

Good point. I have no idea.

Still, if they're making one engine that can render both Gears of War (X360) and UT 2007 (PS3), then the likelihood of either/both games going multiplatform skyrockets.
I would be shocked if UT2007 didn't go multiplatform, but if the 360 processor is not actually named Gemini, than nothing from that video (I watched the whole thing, and I suggest all of you guys calling him an idiot do the same) would suggest that he was trying to say UT2007 is being developed for the 360. What I read it as meaning was that they're starting to render the games with multiprocessors in mind. I don't see how this really translates between the PS3 and 360, considering their solutions for muti-threading tasks is completely different (if not opposite). Rein's comments about the PS3, btw, really seem to have been taken out of context by some of the posters here, which really doesn't shock me considering the crowd. He was simply making a statement of fact, which is that given the same launch window (November), Sony got their final kits out ahead of when Microsoft did. No big deal.

[Norse]

I fucking hate it when people say a certain game sucks like it's universal truth.

[jacktion]

This thread is gettin' angry.

I wonder if I am on ignore lists? How would I know?

I've written some pretty vitriolic stuff.

[Deadend]

Oh, Dear, God,

This... may be the worst thread I have ever read, compltely thread jacked from the topic.

Well, what should I expect, Mark Rein says something and there are a shitload of posts over it. Just wait until he says "my kid wants a Wii" and watch the shitstorm brew up.

[TheBrainKills]

I just looked at that video of him on that panel and he comes across as an opinionated know it all jerk. Its all about the graphics! Well Mark, tell Nintendo that about their DS.

[Demo_Boy]

Just another interview that lends credence to my theory that Epic is being taken under the umbrella of Sony exclusivity pretty soon.

[Zeal]

This guy talks like a fucking idiot.

[Slack3r78]

Good fucking god, every fucking time halo is brought the FUCK up this FUCKING HAPPENS. God damn some of you pc elitests are fucking douche bags. I swear to fuck its like they get upset that theres a good sucessful fps on something other then PC.
No, really, Halo sucks...
I fucking hate it when people say a certain game sucks like it's universal truth.
...and it's a totally and completely irrefutable FACT. Look it up.

[Zacharai]

I wonder if I am on ignore lists? How would I know?
You're on my ignore list. :p

Not Mike Jones, though. I can't wait to see what he posts when he gets back from the bus stop in the afternoon.

Actually, Mark Rein seems remarkably even-tempered, considering how many people hate him without ever meeting him. Hell, most of his comments are a lot less inciteful than regular posters around here.

[Zanzibar]

No, really, Halo sucks...

...and it's a totally and completely irrefutable FACT. Look it up.

Look it up? Okay. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_trolls)

[Soap]

Fitbabits, here you go. Barry Bonds at least publically denies his accusations. Mike Jones won't even respond to the plagiarism claims.

Click here for the original post by Acert93 on Beyond3d.com (http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30962)

Does this look familiar? Well, if it does it's probably because Mike cut and pasted it into Evil Avatar and claimed it as his own. And yeah he did it again just now by "forgetting" to use quotes, but I know of at least one other time he was caught as well, but it would take way too long to find that one too.

It wouldn't surprise me if he's cut and pasted posts from Evil Avatar members and claimed as his own as well...

When you read his version, notice how many times the word "I" appears as in "I Mike Jones" think this... or wrote this... He didn't write shit. I'd get out the Banhammer, but that's not my call. I certainly don't post on Evil Avatar because of Mike Jones.

click here for stolen Mike Jones version of the Beyond3d.com post (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13202&page=1&pp=20&highlight=marketing)

Note: Credit for finding the duplicate post goes to fellow EA member, Guy Mariano.


If this is true that Mike Jones is a Plagarizer...

Can a Red give the custom title of "Hardy Boys of the Internet" to Jack B and Guy Mariano? Hell, I'll even donate to the site ($10 for both).

[Slack3r78]

Look it up? Okay. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_trolls)
No! You're on to my little ruse. Dammit! And I would've gotten away with it if it weren't for you kids and your little dog, too!

[Lunar Blue]

Shut the fuck up and make me a new Pinball Dreams, bitch.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

The mighty Volnath looked upon his children and declared that they were his kin. He fed and clothed them and taught them the ways of the Empire. Many years passed and Volnath's children grew tall and strong. Eventually Volnath grew old and weary and the time came for him to pass on the reins of the Empire. He summoned his eldest son and said to him "Uurpee slur pa do raw tay!" A week later Volnath passed on. His son soon revealed him as a man of greed and vice, who bled the Empire and put it's people into slums and charnal houses.

[JazGalaxy]

Shitty logic. Halo itself doesn't cost 600 dollars, the game on a system costs 600 dollars. When you buy a system, do you buy it for the one game you wanna play? Or do you buy it for the complete package of games already out, soon to be released, on the drawing board, peripherals, overall ease of use and it's subjective power? Uh, if you're number one, I would like to congratulate your wallet. The rest of the gaming public however tends to look more at number 2. If Halo itself cost 600 dollars, it wouldn't have sold 10 discs.


And you're faulting MY logic?

The original premise we are working with is this: Developers are comfortable developing PS3 exclusives because the SHEER LACK OF GAMES AT LAUNCH will make it more popular among the fanbase and will move more units, and gain more notoriety, than it would from a multiconsole release.

I say I don't agree with that logic.

You then come in and say that I am wrong becuase nobody would buy a console for just one game, and that, instead, a console is bought for an entire library of games.

Is what you are saying not in DIRECT contrast to what Mark Reign is saying in the original premise? Are you then not completely agreeing with me by disagreeing with him? (As I do?)

[Balthasar]

The original premise we are working with is this: Developers are comfortable developing PS3 exclusives because the SHEER LACK OF GAMES AT LAUNCH will make it more popular among the fanbase and will move more units, and gain more notoriety, than it would from a multiconsole release....You then come in and say that I am wrong becuase nobody would buy a console for just one game, and that, instead, a console is bought for an entire library of games.
You're twisting yourself in circles here. The two statements you comment on are not in direct relation to each other. The first comment can be demonstrated as having some validity just by looking at the 360 launch last year. When you consider what Perfect Dark Zero was, one has to seriously wonder how much anyone would have cared if it were released a year into the 360 release and near a title like, say, Gears of War. A lot of launch games get talked about simply because they are launch games, and tend to get less scrutinized by reviewers as those are the games that set the first bar for that system. This has nothing to do with a buyer's motivation for purchasing a console. This is more about advertising and attention more than anything else. Buying a console, as that poster said, is usually about more than just the paltry pickings of the "launch window." One might be more compelled to buy a system based on what is seen at launch, but if a launch game convinces a person to buy a system, it's because that person expects that there will be more games of that quality to come, or better. They aren't buying that console for one game and one game only--unless they simply do have the cash to throw away, in which case, more power to that person.

[aversion2k]

Here's a great video of Mark Rein being a total asshole to everyone except Microsoft.

http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/661/661405/vids_1.html

Just watched it.

He really is a dick.

[Siraris]

Wow, I missed all the fun earlier! Exciting reading up on it.

Yeah, Mark Rein can spout off, but he kind of has the ability to being the VP of Epic, just like how Krazy Ken can do it being the father of the Playstation. I think in some ways he's right, that Sony has had more time to hone their launch plans, but that should be pretty obvious when a company has given developers more time until release, and has also had 10 years of console development experience. Where MS was in the console business for barely 4 years when 360 launched, Sony should be quite prepared for a launch.

As for what some other people said in the thread, it will be interesting to see what exclusivity will be like in the future. I think GoW was exclusive because Epic is an American company and I think Microsoft has targeted it as a surefire winner. Sony has a few Japanese developers in their pockets, and I'm sure we'll see a few games released on PS3 from Namco or Konami that never see the light of day on another console. At the end of the day, most games will be cross platform.

The only problem I see with this, and I could write a few pages about it (which I won't), is that the more cross platform games there are, the less innovative and all-around impressive games we'll see. To explain, before people jump down my throat, if a company has to spend time developing an engine to work on PS3 and 360, that's less time it has to focus on optomizing the game on one system resulting in a slightly less impressive game. If you take Gears of War for example, you've got one team focusing all their energy on optomizing the game for the 360 in every way they can, from controls to graphics to AI. If you split that between 360 and PS3, you have less people focusing on all those areas, you are spending more money, and the game will suffer, even if ever so slightly.

The thing is, this has been going on for years now, porting games to PS2/X-Box/Gamecube/DS/PSP/PC/GBA/Cellphone/PDA/NGage/Phantom... they still sell well and people seem to enjoy them, so go figure. The only way there will be a lot of exclusives is if one console pulls away from the others, in which case obviously developers will make exclusives to reap the benifits.

[saran_js]

For those of you here who says Mark is a f**ker or a douchbag or whatever, I've got something to tell you (pathetic freaks) :

Suck it Down !! Mark Rein is gonna make you his bitch !! and you're probably gonna like it and beg him for more (of his spunk).

:D

[jeffbax]

Who's Mike Rein?

[BlackPete]

...You getting awfully mad over NOTHING :D

Well, at least you got THAT part right.... :rolleyes:

/wonders how long it'll take before he gets it.

[Jack B]

Wow, I missed all the fun earlier! Exciting reading up on it.

Yeah, Mark Rein can spout off, but he kind of has the ability to being the VP of Epic, just like how Krazy Ken can do it being the father of the Playstation. I think in some ways he's right, that Sony has had more time to hone their launch plans, but that should be pretty obvious when a company has given developers more time until release, and has also had 10 years of console development experience. Where MS was in the console business for barely 4 years when 360 launched, Sony should be quite prepared for a launch.

As for what some other people said in the thread, it will be interesting to see what exclusivity will be like in the future. I think GoW was exclusive because Epic is an American company and I think Microsoft has targeted it as a surefire winner. Sony has a few Japanese developers in their pockets, and I'm sure we'll see a few games released on PS3 from Namco or Konami that never see the light of day on another console. At the end of the day, most games will be cross platform.

The only problem I see with this, and I could write a few pages about it (which I won't), is that the more cross platform games there are, the less innovative and all-around impressive games we'll see. To explain, before people jump down my throat, if a company has to spend time developing an engine to work on PS3 and 360, that's less time it has to focus on optomizing the game on one system resulting in a slightly less impressive game. If you take Gears of War for example, you've got one team focusing all their energy on optomizing the game for the 360 in every way they can, from controls to graphics to AI. If you split that between 360 and PS3, you have less people focusing on all those areas, you are spending more money, and the game will suffer, even if ever so slightly.

The thing is, this has been going on for years now, porting games to PS2/X-Box/Gamecube/DS/PSP/PC/GBA/Cellphone/PDA/NGage/Phantom... they still sell well and people seem to enjoy them, so go figure. The only way there will be a lot of exclusives is if one console pulls away from the others, in which case obviously developers will make exclusives to reap the benifits.

I agree. At this point, I'll just be thankful when games are next gen only. We still have a lot of games being developed for the Xbox and/or PS2 alongside the PS3/360 versions.

When Madden/NBA 2k6 etc, comes out for the PS3 and 360 only, then I think we'll start to see more innovation. I wonder how long that will take? I was hoping this year, but maybe next year...