Tekken Dark Resurrection Review Round-Up

[Salesmunn]

Tekken Dark Resurrection on the PSP is set for a July 27th US release and the reviews so-far are excellent.

Gamespot

"The gameplay in Tekken: Dark Resurrection is also spot-on with what you'd expect from the series"

9.2 (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/tekken/review.html?sid=6154503)

IGN

"In a word? Badass."

9.2 (http://psp.ign.com/articles/719/719836p1.html)

Gamespy

"Arcade Quality fighting in the palm of your hand."

9.0 (http://ps2.gamespy.com/playstation-portable/tekken-dark-resurrection/720387p1.html)


For only $39, I've got my copy pre-ordered. How about you?

[TrackZero]

Great, it only took them almost 2 years to finally get a good PSP game.

[KidCactus]

Great, it only took them almost 2 years to finally get a good PSP game.
If you really think this is the only good PSP game you just haven't cared to look for good games. Maybe alot of games are nothing you personally like, but for example, Gamespot have about 40 PSP games reviewed with a >8.0 score (for the DS there's about 20).

[DeadScreenSky]

$40 for an arcade fighting game that can't even be played competitively without lag? No thanks!

[Samurai Joe]

There are several great PSP games out there:

-Daxter
-Mega Man Powered Up
-Burnout Legends
-Lumines
-Ridge Racer
-Grand Theft Auto Liberty City Stories
-WipeOut Pure
-X-Men Legends 2
-Street Fighter Alpha 3 Max

Sure, the PSP has lots of ports, but these are actually great titles to play on the go.

[Tolkoto]

Gamespot have about 40 PSP games reviewed with a >8.0 score (for the DS there's about 20).

But how many >9.0 games does each system have?

I don't know, I just can't imagine someone saying, with a straight face, that the PSP has more good games then the DS.

[Khash]

I knew this game was gonna be unbelievable.

[DeadScreenSky]

But how many >9.0 games does each system have?

I don't know, I just can't imagine someone saying, with a straight face, that the PSP has more good games then the DS.
Except an 8 is a good game, at least by Gamespot's standards.

I couldn't pick either system fairly because I don't own a PSP, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to me that both systems at least have a similar number of good games.

[SexualChoc]

It's Tekken....it's portable....it looks goddamn amazing....

One please.

[Mozgus]

Doesn't matter how many polygons it pushes, it's still a fighting game on a handheld, and that's just retarded.

[Roman]

There are several great PSP games out there:
No love for Syphon Filter? Excellent game.

[KidCactus]

But how many >9.0 games does each system have?

I don't know, I just can't imagine someone saying, with a straight face, that the PSP has more good games then the DS.
Gamespot have 4 PSP games with a score of 9.0 or higher, compared to 6 DS games. 3 of the 6 DS games are Nintendogs.

[Metal Jesus]

Great, it only took them almost 2 years to finally get a good PSP game.

Jesus... are you on Nintendo's payroll, or what!?

There are actually a bunch of great PSP games.... despite what Nintendo fanboys would have you believe.

[SexualChoc]

Doesn't matter how many polygons it pushes, it's still a fighting game on a handheld, and that's just retarded.

Maybe to you, but I for can't wait to play friends one on one with a PSP. At least it isn't a straight port.

[Chalex]

Gamespot have 4 PSP games with a score of 9.0 or higher, compared to 6 DS games. 3 of the 6 DS games are Nintendogs.
I lol'd :p

[TrackZero]

If you really think this is the only good PSP game you just haven't cared to look for good games. Maybe alot of games are nothing you personally like, but for example, Gamespot have about 40 PSP games reviewed with a >8.0 score (for the DS there's about 20).

Yeah-hunh. Sure there is. The only decent PSP games are Lumines, GTA and this one. All of which have console equivalent games out/coming out soon.

And yes, I was a PSP owner for quite some time, it still collected dust.

But hey, if you're loving it, more power to you.

[UnderHero5]

I've never liked the Tekken series (not a big fighter fan to begin with) but I'm happy it turned out good for all you Tekken fans.

[TrackZero]

Jesus... are you on Nintendo's payroll, or what!?

How are you making that fucking snap judgement? Do you even know me at all? I own every console, and every one has it's own merits. If I have any preference, it's for the Xbox. But hey, go on, throw out the fanboyism as your only retort.

There are actually a bunch of great PSP games.... despite what Nintendo fanboys would have you believe.

Go fuck yourself, shitface.

(That's the only answer you're worth. Welcome to my ignore list.)

[Expugnare]

Gamespot have 4 PSP games with a score of 9.0 or higher, compared to 6 DS games. 3 of the 6 DS games are Nintendogs.
Since when would someone trust gamespot?

Gamerankings: 3 DS >90%
0 PSP >90%

That said I don't trust gamerankings either, but a median score is better than one from gamespot.

[Adam Blue]

Hahahaha...but this is Tekken! When was Tekken a good fighter? Well, the fact that it's on the PSP is what's giving it the high-scores. The PSP needs something like this. I never play my PSP. Hell, I lost it somehwere in my house. I don't even really care.

[SexualChoc]

In terms of original games for the PSP, it is severely lacking. Aside from Daxter, and a few other games, nothing is really not a port/sequel or using an already cemented concept such as GTA. Though it was groundbreaking fitting something like GTA on a handheld, it didn't really do much else. I own a PSP, and hardly use it. Not out of choice, but lack of appealing games. Though games like Tekken, which I can get for my PS2, look appealing to me, and to the system, I will only get it because it's on the PSP. Some of the features look nice too. Though the PSP hasn't got alot of good games out at the moment, it seems there are better things on the horizon. Hopefully, this will be a sign of good things to come.

[KidCactus]

Since when would someone trust gamespot?

Gamerankings: 3 DS >90%
0 PSP >90%

That said I don't trust gamerankings either, but a median score is better than one from gamespot.
I just used Gamespot as an example, to make my point that ther IS good games for the PSP too, and that there's not MILLIONS of great games for the DS. As so many seems to think. I play both my DS and my PSP, and I find it quite silly to claim Tekken as the only good game for the PSP.

[Moatman]

Hmm, I do have to note that the first reply to this news item was a flame/h8/insult post regarding/targeted-at the psp, so I can see why it deteriorated into a DS vs PSP thread.

I've owned both a ds and psp since their respective launches, both systems have good games/features that warrant purchase for people interested in them, I don't think we really need to argue about that.

It's fine preferring one to the other, but automatically claiming that no good games exist for a system because you don't like the system itself just doesn't make a good argument. Maybe target the psp's battery life(or lack thereof) or maybe the load times, something accurate and to the point. Or for people who dislike the ds in comparison, target the lower graphics quality, less storage for games and multimedia, or lack of utility(besides gaming)

Just remember the old saying, everyone is an opinionated asshole...er wait, that's not quite how it goes...

[TrackZero]

Hmm, I do have to note that the first reply to this news item was a flame/h8/insult post regarding/targeted-at the psp, so I can see why it deteriorated into a DS vs PSP thread.

I've owned both a ds and psp since their respective launches, both systems have good games/features that warrant purchase for people interested in them, I don't think we really need to argue about that.

It's fine preferring one to the other, but automatically claiming that no good games exist for a system because you don't like the system itself just doesn't make a good argument. Maybe target the psp's battery life(or lack thereof) or maybe the load times, something accurate and to the point. Or for people who dislike the ds in comparison, target the lower graphics quality, less storage for games and multimedia, or lack of utility(besides gaming)

Just remember the old saying, everyone is an opinionated asshole...er wait, that's not quite how it goes...

I've owned both as well. But the PSP is definitely not the better of the two, and to say otherwise is either because you're choosing to wear blinders or you're afraid to set off any Sony fans (and be accused of being a Nintendo fanboy). This announcement is good news for the PSP. But it's like water in a desert, of course it's going to look good. Wasn't it just the other day the story was posted calling the PSP dead (or many agreed, on life support)? The system has many problems with it's design and funtionality and it's game library leaves much to be desired. Sales figures are proof enough, which anyone can go check on their own.

Bah, I should just stop posting in this thread. Most anyone reading this will be someone who's glad there's a PSP game and they'll pick me to be their target to rage against. I'll say I'm sorry for the immediate derailment, but it was the first thing that came to mind seeing this announcement.

[Spigot]

Don't stop posting, Tracky.

As for this particular game, I've never really cared for the Tekken series myself. Now, a portable Soul Caliber or Mortal Kombat, that I could get behind (the less said about Guilty Gear: Dust Strikers, the better).

As for PSP vs. DS... I really don't want to wade into that arguement. Tracky said pretty much everything I'd say. The PSP is definately a better system on paper, at least from a technological standpoint.

Game-wise, though, I really have a hard time agreeing with anyone who says that the PSP has a better line-up of games. Not only does the DS have access to the whole GBA library, the DS games are usually great (when they're not a cheap port/licensed game). There's a reason I cart my DS with me almost everywhere I go and why there has barely been a day since I purchased it when I haven't spent a good half-hour or more playing it. It's called fun!

The PSP does have some good games, but Daxter really seems to be about the only one that is exclusive to the platform that is absolutely amazing. My brother loved Metal Gear Acid but even he ended up trading his PSP in for a DS after a few months of it gathering dust.

Liberty City Stories has already been ported to the PS2 and Lumines is coming to the PS2 and Xbox Live.

Of course, if someone were to hand me a PSP for free, I'd be more than happy to take it off their hands. I'm just not going to go get one myself unless they really step up the game library something fierce. I could care less about the multimedia functionality as I tend to use my gaming systems as, oh, GAMING SYSTEMS. That's not for everyone, sure, but that's my reasoning for my reasoning.

I will say again that from a hardware standpoint, the PSP is a very slick piece of tech and I had fun playing Lumines and a few other games on it. Just not the $300+ of fun that it would cost me to get it and a game or two.

[Khash]

PSP Owner: I like my PSP
TrackZero: No, you don't
PSP Owner: But...I enjoy playing PSP games
TrackZero: Well, you're wrong
PSP Owner: huh?
TrackZero: Sony fanboy!

[Expugnare]

PSP Owner: I like my PSP
TrackZero: No, you don't
PSP Owner: But...I enjoy playing PSP games
TrackZero: Well, you're wrong
PSP Owner: huh?
TrackZero: Sony fanboy!
You know it would be funny if people actually READ THE POSTS before posting. I haven't seem the homoerotic banhammer in awhile but I sure wish it was swung more freely.

But since it isn't, I will swing my mace of ignoration.

[fitbabits]

Doesn't matter how many polygons it pushes, it's still a fighting game on a handheld, and that's just retarded.
Doesn't matter how many other words there are in the dictionary instead of retarded, it's still an offensive insult, and that's just typical of someone who has no concept of decency.

[divinechaos]

I really hate it when people start sayin that this is the only good game. I love my DS, dont own a PSP, and even I know that the PSP has had good games before this. The DS is a better gaming system, but that doesnt mean that the PSP doesnt have its handful of good games. Oh, i dont really like Tekken, i prefer DOA.

[Deadend]

I was thinking "oh, thats cool", then I realized an important fact...

Tekken is a shit fighting game series.

It's not Mortal Kombat bad, but it relies quite heavily on prebuilt combos, and I just don't like the games.

Sega, make a portable VF4 or 5 and I will call the PSP good, until then... The PSP is still lacking reasons to buy it.

At my store hardly anyone buys PSPs, because there is a lack of games worth having on it, so lets have a PSP vs. DS thread, as the further in time we go, the worse it is for the PSP.

PSP seems to have too damn many ports on it, which is kinda sad, the games that are not ports, could be easily ported to the PS2 with no loss to the game play. It's just hard for me to see the PSP as a legitmate gaming system, or anything more than a way to play the PS2 on the toliet.

[Paranoia]

Sony should do the following:

1. Allow homebrew apps.
2. Get rid of UMD drive, eats batteries. I can live with cartridge.
3. Allow use of multiple flash memory devices.
4. Get rid of anything that requires propriety Sony hardware.

Maybe then I'll consider buying a PSP.

[Salesmunn]

It's amazing that so many just start bashing the system like they're in defense mode. It's pretty hilarious.

I play my PSP, me-lady plays the DS. Life is great with both handhelds.

[Expugnare]

I was thinking "oh, thats cool", then I realized an important fact...

Tekken is a shit fighting game series.

It's not Mortal Kombat bad, but it relies quite heavily on prebuilt combos, and I just don't like the games.

Mortal Kombat FTW :(

[Adam Blue]

It's amazing that so many just start bashing the system like they're in defense mode. It's pretty hilarious.

It's more about the fact that we bought it because of how badass it sounded. The launch was a mess(I had to return two), and as of now it really is on life support. So I'm a little angry. I would be as positive as possible but, Tekken???? Why Tekken??? Introduce something new or intuitive, because I don't care for a 3D fighter on a handheld(especially Tekken for that matter...).

[thecrazyd]

PSP Owner: I like my PSP
TrackZero: No, you don't
PSP Owner: But...I enjoy playing PSP games
TrackZero: Well, you're wrong
PSP Owner: huh?
TrackZero: Sony fanboy!
I think it is more like this:

TrackZero: I don't like the PSP.
PSP Owner: You are a fanboy!
TrackZero: Fuck you, you are the fanboy.

[Royal Fool]

PSP has some good games.

DS has lots more good games.

I'm content.

[Orosco]

I only have the DS, been semi-interested in the PSP. Being a major Silent Hill fanboy, if SH: Origins turns out to be a decent game, it'll be a system seller for me.

[Deadend]

Mortal Kombat FTW :(

Aww man, not you too!!!

It's that a good fighting game needs fluid control, balanced characters and depth. Therefore both MK and Tekken fail on the first one since they both have the robotic dial-a-combo.

[TrackZero]

I think it is more like this:

TrackZero: I don't like the PSP.
PSP Owner: You are a fanboy!
TrackZero: Fuck you, you are the fanboy.

Wow, this is the first time crazy has ever stood up for me in a thread. Thanks dude! (And double thanks for clarifying what I was saying.)

Just to clear this up for anyone. The PSP is cool. It's got mad potential and I hope we see more titles like this come out for it, because thus far, it's been lacking.

[Mozgus]

Doesn't matter how many other words there are in the dictionary instead of retarded, it's still an offensive insult, and that's just typical of someone who has no concept of decency.
Retards don't call themselves retards anymore. They have more politically correct labels now. The word "retard" is our's in this day and age.

[TrackZero]

Retards don't call themselves retards anymore. They have more politically correct labels now. The word "retard" is our's in this day and age.

Correct. I have family members who work with the....oh shit, I forget what they're called nowadays. Developmentally challenged or something. Apparently the name changes EVERY year, as someone finds the new name offensive and complains. It's such a silly situation.

[RorschachCCCLX]

I was thinking "oh, thats cool", then I realized an important fact...

Tekken is a shit fighting game series.

It's not Mortal Kombat bad, but it relies quite heavily on prebuilt combos, and I just don't like the games.

Sega, make a portable VF4 or 5 and I will call the PSP good, until then... The PSP is still lacking reasons to buy it.

At my store hardly anyone buys PSPs, because there is a lack of games worth having on it, so lets have a PSP vs. DS thread, as the further in time we go, the worse it is for the PSP.

PSP seems to have too damn many ports on it, which is kinda sad, the games that are not ports, could be easily ported to the PS2 with no loss to the game play. It's just hard for me to see the PSP as a legitmate gaming system, or anything more than a way to play the PS2 on the toliet.

I second the idea of making VF portable, as the japanese have discoverd, Virtua Fighter is by far the better fighter, as its many times more popular then Tekken. Tekken is more the button mashers fare while VF lends itself more to expert timing and counter attacks, not endless unblockable juggles and up the skirt shots.

[TalkingOctopus]

I don't understand the excitement over this one. Yeah it looks like a solid port, but Tekken 5 has been out on the ps2 for 1.5 years. For only $20, you can play your friends using your TV instead of tiny hand helds. The ghost fighters sound like a decent addition, but really Tekken is meant to be played multiplayer.

[Kamalot]

Maybe to you, but I for can't wait to play friends one on one with a PSP. At least it isn't a straight port.
The beautiful part about a fighting game is you can toss a controller to a friend and start fighting. With this, your friend has to have a $200 PSP and a $30 game before you can play a single Vs match.

No thanks.

On top of that, it is only Tekken, not Soul Calibur.

[rein]

For those that do not like Tekken, or the PSP, WTF are you doing in the thread? :rolleyes:

I am really glad to see the high review scores. I was wanting this one to be good.

[pseudopseudo]

I don't understand the excitement over this one. Yeah it looks like a solid port, but Tekken 5 has been out on the ps2 for 1.5 years. For only $20, you can play your friends using your TV instead of tiny hand helds. The ghost fighters sound like a decent addition, but really Tekken is meant to be played multiplayer.
Except for this isn't a port of Tekken 5, so that point is moot.

Coming from a standpoint of someone who has (and enjoys) their PSP, all you people slinging the word "fanboy" around are just being ridiculous. (Well, SOME of you deserve it for typing before you think.) Sony tried to sell the PSP in many of the same ways they're trying to sell the PS3 - they're trying to have you use it for EVERYTHING, not just gaming. I use mine for my mp3/video player (I wouldn't get half my podcasts/vidcasts listened to/watched if I didn't have it) and my flash drive (it saved my ass in class many a time last semester) in addition to my only portable system at the time.

I do agree - the game selection is not up to par with the DS by any rate, but I have found my share of games to enjoy (GTA: LCS, Lumines, Hot Shots Golf, Mercury... I know that's a whopping four, but I don't really play games on the go that often.), and I've been having fun just putting tons of homebrew emulators and other apps on the system for some other fun games.

So... everyone shut up on DS vs. PSP. Each has their pros and cons, and no one's going to win the argument.

Oh, and back to the thread, the Tekken fighting series kind of sucks anyways (see: Two Minutes Hate from EAR Episode 21), but its nice to see a decent effort put into getting a good game out for the PSP.

[Edit: Before anyone goes calling me a Sony fanboy, let it be known that I'd KILL for a DS Lite right now, and will be buying one as soon as I have the scratch. I played NSMB on my brother's DS last week, and it was like crack!]

[Expugnare]

Aww man, not you too!!!

It's that a good fighting game needs fluid control, balanced characters and depth. Therefore both MK and Tekken fail on the first one since they both have the robotic dial-a-combo.
I like a good button-masher that can also be played by combos. MK combos are quite hard to do right and in the last one (Deception) they actually didn't do much more than button mashing. It's more about learning to play one character well and less memorizing combos. I can kill with Sub-zero, Frost, and Noob, but still suck with many other character (Johnny Cage, euck...).

Also I don't really like the Japanese style animation (not a big anime fan).

[fitbabits]

Retards don't call themselves retards anymore. They have more politically correct labels now. The word "retard" is our's in this day and age.
Try telling that to my mother.

[DeadScreenSky]

Also I don't really like the Japanese style animation (not a big anime fan).
So you prefer a cheap, poorly animated and designed knock-off of Japanese-style animation (and Asian film in general)? :confused:

[Expugnare]

So you prefer a cheap, poorly animated and designed knock-off of Japanese-style animation (and Asian film in general)? :confused:
I don't see how that conclusion was drawn. :confused:

Anything not Asian=Cheap knock-off?

I like the western style animation of Mortal Kombat.

[Expugnare]

Correct. I have family members who work with the....oh shit, I forget what they're called nowadays. Developmentally challenged or something. Apparently the name changes EVERY year, as someone finds the new name offensive and complains. It's such a silly situation.
People with Special Needs seem to be politically correct nowadays. Also mentally challenged is the correct medical term I believe.

[F3nyx]

People with Special Needs seem to be politically correct nowadays. Also mentally challenged is the correct medical term I believe.That's not a medical term, it's an advocacy-group term. "Retard" used to be relatively a polite term. Once a euphemism gains widespread use, it inevitably acquires pejorative connotations, thus becoming as "hurtful" as the word it was meant to replace. The modern solution is to churn out new euphemisms so rapidly that none ever reach the mainstream. New euphemisms come not from the medical profession (they don't give a fuck for that kind of tail-chasing) but from the 'tard community -- parents, special ed. teachers, etc.

Sorry, rant over.

edit: totally beaten to this point by TrackZero :p

[Pumped'Up]

Simply fantastic. Glad to see Namco pump out an amazing exclusive. Cant' wait to get it.

Next exclusive that will rock so hard...Ultimate Ghouls'n Ghosts!!!

Now where the heck is GT mobile???

[pseudopseudo]

Simply fantastic. Glad to see Namco pump out an amazing exclusive. Cant' wait to get it.

Next exclusive that will rock so hard...Ultimate Ghouls'n Ghosts!!!

Now where the heck is GT mobile???
I COMPLETELY forgot about Ultimate Ghouls'N'Ghosts! I was playing as Arthur on Dynamite Cop the other day, and remembered hearing about that.

With how much time I spent having fun (and bashing my head into the wall in frustration) with the original, I can't wait for that!

[Pumped'Up]

Oops, I meant Ultimate Ghosts 'n Goblins...but whatever, its all good!

[Salesmunn]

Oops, I meant Ultimate Ghosts 'n Goblins...but whatever, its all good!

Hellz yeah man. UGnG looks even more abusive to me than the Challenge mode in Powered UP. Looking forward to it.

[Metal Jesus]

Go fuck yourself, shitface.

(That's the only answer you're worth. Welcome to my ignore list.)

Your first instinct is to quickly post how it takes 2 years to create a good PSP game, yet you don't mention SOCOM: Fire Team Bravo, Daxter or even Syphon Filter. All original, all rated EXCELLENT by most reviews. Let alone any of the other excellent PSP titles others have mentioned. You like the DS? Great. I own a DS as well... but you ignited a flame war with your comment, and that's what you got.

As for your "ignore list". That just makes me laugh.

I'm pretty sure I've had worse....

[TalkingOctopus]

Except for this isn't a port of Tekken 5, so that point is moot.

Well I was talking about a port of the arcade version of Dark Ressurection, which actually did have a US release. Anyhow, Dark Ressurection is Tekken 5, with 2 new characters, more stages, more music and various balancing and tweaking of the rest of the characters. It delivers the same experience as Tekken 5. It was even called Tekken 5.2 at one point, but that's OK. Tekken 5 was a GOOD game.

[KidCactus]

PSP has some good games.

DS has lots more good games.

I'm content.
Can you please name those DS games? I just want to know, since I would like more good games for my DS.

[IRONGUSTAV]

It's amazing that so many just start bashing the system like they're in defense mode. It's pretty hilarious.

I play my PSP, me-lady plays the DS. Life is great with both handhelds.


why bother? just enjoy ur psp and ignore the hate

[NightRain]

I'll be honest when I first got my PSP I was so excited to find how great the games looked, some of the original launch games were fantasic and I really was glad to get a PSP. I never bothered to get the original DS becuase the system looked clunky. I now have a DS lite and I own about 8 games, I have to say the DS has some good games but I own about 26 games for PSP and I enjoy playing them more for the most part.

I have been a huge fan of the Advance Wars series and I own both GBA games and the DS game and I love them, but I have to say that I enjoy the PSP Field Commander game just as much, if not more. If you are a gamer with diverse tastse you can easily find 20+ games to love on the PSP, I don't think you can do that with the DS, at least I can't. I've been a strong supporter of Nintendo over the years and video games in general, I'm not a fanboy. I own Xbox, Xbox360, GCN, PS2, PSP, GBA SP, GBM, DS Lite, etc. Pretty much every system you can imagine I have, but in recent years I've only hung on to Nintendo for Nintendo games, first party is the major reason to own a Nintendo console or handheld system.

Of course I still ike some 3rd party games on Nintendo systems, but I've always said if it is multiconsole I won't buy it for my gamecube, the Xbox is my first choice for multiplatform games in 99% of the releases. Games like Castlevania still rule on the Nintendo Handhelds though.

There is no reason to be a fanboy, what do you get out of it. The people I usually see being fanboys are people who can't afford to own more than one system. So they become one of two things, 1) upset that they made the wrong choice and can't afford to buy another system to enjoy its great games, so the bash the existence of consoles they don't own to try and make themselves feel better about their purchase. or 2) jealous that someone has something they can't have so they find reasons to bash another consoles existence and usually have to end an argument with "becuase I said so"

All the systems have games worth playing, owning them all is the only way to truly be a happy gamer.

That being said I've never been much of a Tekken fan, so I probabaly won't buy this title, I do enjoy the Street Fighter Alpha 3 Max and Darkstalkers PSP fighters though.

[SexualChoc]

The beautiful part about a fighting game is you can toss a controller to a friend and start fighting. With this, your friend has to have a $200 PSP and a $30 game before you can play a single Vs match.

No thanks.

On top of that, it is only Tekken, not Soul Calibur.

That's a fair point. By in my case, I don't really have the space or time to have friends round, and seeing a PSP is portable, we can play at work during the lunch hour or whatever. People shouldn't buy a PSP just for this game. But if you already own a PSP, and want this game, buy it.

Also, what's with all the Tekken bashing anyway? Tekken is my fighter of choice. Some people like Sould Calibur, some like Dead Or Alive. It's a person's choice. I can appreciate all fighting games, and in most games I have a fighter of choice. But ever since Tekken 3, I've been in love with the franchise, and it would take something great to change that.

[Salesmunn]

why bother? just enjoy ur psp and ignore the hate

Yep. I've been ignoring the hate since launch day. Overall, this has been my favorite console to date.

[Badgun]

I've owned both as well. But the PSP is definitely not the better of the two, and to say otherwise is either because you're choosing to wear blinders or you're afraid to set off any Sony fans (and be accused of being a Nintendo fanboy). This announcement is good news for the PSP. But it's like water in a desert, of course it's going to look good. Wasn't it just the other day the story was posted calling the PSP dead (or many agreed, on life support)? The system has many problems with it's design and funtionality and it's game library leaves much to be desired. Sales figures are proof enough, which anyone can go check on their own.

Bah, I should just stop posting in this thread. Most anyone reading this will be someone who's glad there's a PSP game and they'll pick me to be their target to rage against. I'll say I'm sorry for the immediate derailment, but it was the first thing that came to mind seeing this announcement.

I have both as well and I constantly hear the argument that there are better games on the DS. My question is what was the last good DS game released? New Super Mario Brothers and it's been out 3-4 months. I think maybe the really good games on the DS are better than the really good PSP games, but those game releases are few and far between.

I'm looking down the road and only see a couple of DS games I'm real excited about...Lego Star Wars and Phantom Hourglass, but I see a lot of PSP games that get me excited. Not to mention that a lot of the DS games are just more remakes of old Nintendo character games. There's a lot to like about both handhelds, but I think the PSP has a far better game library with a lot more diversity and variety.

[Wyrm]

I'll be honest when I first got my PSP I was so excited to find how great the games looked, some of the original launch games were fantasic and I really was glad to get a PSP. I never bothered to get the original DS becuase the system looked clunky. I now have a DS lite and I own about 8 games, I have to say the DS has some good games but I own about 26 games for PSP and I enjoy playing them more for the most part.

How do you own that many fucking PSP games? There are only like 5 good ones!

Here is a list of good DS games:

Kirby The Canvas Curse
Castlevania
Viewtiful Joe
Warioware: Touched
New Super Mario Brothers
Animal Crossing
Mario Kart
Mario and Luigi Partners in Time
Trauma Center: Under the Knife
Pheonix Wright
Advance Wars
Age of Empires
Meteos
Tetris DS

I'm probably missing a few, but here's the kicker. Almost every single one of those games can be booted up and started in less than 30 seconds. Find me a PSP game that you can get into that fast. Even Lumines, which has decent load times, still takes about a minute to get into.

The arguement that you are all neglecting to think about is the fact that these are portable systems. The better handheld portable is the DS. The games are designed with one thing in mind. To be portable. PSP games are either console ports, or the types of games that you dont just sit down to play in an airport or on a train. These are games you're meant to play in your home or when you're going to be somewhere for an extended period of time.

I owned a PSP for almost two years. I had Lumines, Need for Speed, and I had tried just about every other game for it. You list off names of good games, but I found myself sorely dissapointed by all of those titles. Silent Scope is nowhere near as good as its console counterpart, which isnt that great in the first place. Daxter is decent, but why bother when you can get all three Jak and Daxter titles and a new PS2 for less than the cost of daxter and a PSP? Tekken is a crappy fighting series anyway and it never deserved to have a handheld presence.

The PSP needs more niche games like Lumines, which wont be that way for much longer. Right now, it's exclusives aren't anything you can't find other places (or wont eventually) and none of those games are worth my time.

[Spigot]

There's a lot to like about both handhelds, but I think the PSP has a far better game library with a lot more diversity and variety.
Ok. This makes me laugh. Exactly which PSP games (aside from maybe Loco Roco, Lumines and Katamari) lead you to make this statement? Not trying to pick a fight here, but as has been mentioned by a few people, the PSP isn't really known for its breadth of non-ported games. And while NSMB was probably the last BIG game to come out on the DS, that doesn't mean the system is dead. There is that whole list of games that Wyrm put up plus the upcoming FF3 remake and the Brain games, plus others.

The DS has Ouendan, which rules them all....

I've got 16 DS games that I wouldn't trade for the world and have rented a lot of other ones that were a lot of fun as well. Add the GBA library and you're set for a long bout of portable gaming goodness.

Of course, I'm still willing to take someone's PSP off their hands to really make sure I don't want one... *wink wink*
I have family members who work with the....oh shit, I forget what they're called nowadays. Developmentally challenged or something. Apparently the name changes EVERY year, as someone finds the new name offensive and complains. It's such a silly situation.
Oh, on the subject of special needs folk, I've been working in the field for about 13 years or so and I do agree that the politically correct term changes depending on the person and the agency. That said, I've yet to meet a 'retard' who does not find that term offensive. Developmentally disabled/challenged or special needs seems to fit a lot of the population that my agency works with. It's not necessarily the best label, but it's something that doesn't raise people's hackles the way a pejorative term like retarded does.

Of course, I just call the residents at the house I work at, 'the guys', and try to treat them like anybody else... who need some help and guidance through their daily routines. But that's for another thread... we've already threadjacked enough with the whole DS vs. PSP posts :)

[NightRain]

How do you own that many fucking PSP games? There are only like 5 good ones!

Here is a list of good DS games:

Kirby The Canvas Curse
Castlevania
Viewtiful Joe
Warioware: Touched
New Super Mario Brothers
Animal Crossing
Mario Kart
Mario and Luigi Partners in Time
Trauma Center: Under the Knife
Pheonix Wright
Advance Wars
Age of Empires
Meteos
Tetris DS

I'm probably missing a few, but here's the kicker. Almost every single one of those games can be booted up and started in less than 30 seconds. Find me a PSP game that you can get into that fast. Even Lumines, which has decent load times, still takes about a minute to get into.

The arguement that you are all neglecting to think about is the fact that these are portable systems. The better handheld portable is the DS. The games are designed with one thing in mind. To be portable. PSP games are either console ports, or the types of games that you dont just sit down to play in an airport or on a train. These are games you're meant to play in your home or when you're going to be somewhere for an extended period of time.

I owned a PSP for almost two years. I had Lumines, Need for Speed, and I had tried just about every other game for it. You list off names of good games, but I found myself sorely dissapointed by all of those titles. Silent Scope is nowhere near as good as its console counterpart, which isnt that great in the first place. Daxter is decent, but why bother when you can get all three Jak and Daxter titles and a new PS2 for less than the cost of daxter and a PSP? Tekken is a crappy fighting series anyway and it never deserved to have a handheld presence.

The PSP needs more niche games like Lumines, which wont be that way for much longer. Right now, it's exclusives aren't anything you can't find other places (or wont eventually) and none of those games are worth my time.

I have these DS games you listed

Castlevania
New Super Mario Brothers
Mario Kart
Advance Wars

I have played these you listed

Kirby The Canvas Curse
Warioware: Touched
Age of Empires
Mario and Luigi Partners in Time
Meteos
Tetris DS

You are right they are all good games. I also have Metroid Pinball and Hunters, Mario 64, Nintendogs, and Big Brain Academy. Plus I've played others that I liked too.

For my PSP I currently have these games, all of which I enjoy and some of these I got for $10 which makes them even better.

Burnout Legends
Darkstalkers
Daxter
Exit
Field Commander
Gretzky NHL 06
GTA Liberty City Stories
Hot Shots Golf
Kingdom of Paradise
Lumines
Madden 06
Mega Man Maverick Hunter
Mega Man Powered Up
Metal Gear Acid 2
MLB
NFL Street 2
Socom
SSX On Tour
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Syphon Filter
Tony Hawk Underground 2
Twisted Metal
Ultimate Block Party
Virtua Tennis
Wipeout Pure
World Championship Poker 2


I have also owned these in the past but got rid of them because I didn't like them or I beat them.

ATV Offroad Fury
Coded Arms
Death Jr
Infected
Medievil
Metal Gear Acid
Midnight Club 3
Namco Collection
NBA 06
NBA Street Showdown
NFS Underground Rivals
Ridge Racer
Spiderman 2
Starwars Battlefront 2
The Con
Untold Legends
World Tour Soccer
X-Men Legends 2


I have played my PSP a lot and I really enjoy it, sure the load times take a little longer but when I have 2 hours to play a game I don't mind the load times at all. I do agree when you only have the 5-10 mins to play that a DS is better because you get into the games quicker. I like both systems, but you have to agree with my previous statement "The main reason to own a Nintendo system is to play Nintendo games" If Nintendo didn't make games and only hardware no one would buy a DS. On Gamerankings.com only 2 of the top 15 are not made by Nintendo (Castlevania and Tony Hawk), that says a lot about the system right now. Nintendo make great games which is why I'll continue to play Nintendo games and buy Nintendo systems, if they were to stop making games their systems would be useless though. If you look at the top 15 PSP games only 6 of them are Sony games, so Nintendo makes better games than Sony but Sony has better 3rd party support.

Truthfully I never got into the whole touch screen that much and I still say you can't beat the GBA systems for the best handheld system, tons of games to choose from and now really cheap. I bought a GBM the other day for $40 Canadian brand new and it is the Famicon edition. I love to stick the GBM in my pocket and go, it is about the same size as a cell phone and is great for those 5-15 mins of gaming.

[51|RandoM]

Tekken always was a button masher, albeit a pretty one. For people into it who have a PSP, it must be a happy day! :)

[Spigot]

Truthfully I never got into the whole touch screen that much
For me, the DS is all about the touch screen. I've played a lot of games that use it almost exclusively and find that it really is a completely different type of gaming experience from the standard controller interface of most other systems.

I can see from your list of PSP games that your tastes in games are quite different from mine, thereby marking you as one of poor breeding and wrong ideas! :) I kid, I kid.

I don't know if I mentioned it in my other post, but my OTHER brother has a PSP as well. He still has it and quite enjoys it (and that's where I get to play Lumines on occasion) but he is not quite the same magnitude of gamer as my other brother or myself. He wanted the system for GTA and Lumines and by gum, that's what he plays on it. He really doesn't care about all of the ports or lack of niche/wacky games like I do. He just really likes to play those games, which is cool.

I found it funny that the first time I played Lumines, I had my stylus from the DS in my hand and tried using it like I would in Meteos. Oops... Good thing he had that little cloth to wipe off his PSP screen...

[NightRain]

I can see from your list of PSP games that your tastes in games are quite different from mine, thereby marking you as one of poor breeding and wrong ideas! :) I kid, I kid.


I like pretty much every type of games, from FPS and 3rd person shooters, platformers, puzzle games, strategy, RPG, sports, racing, etc.. its all good.

Can't really think of a genre that I dislike but i'd have to put fps and sports games on the top of my list. I use to really love RPG games in the SNES days but don't play them as much now as I use too, but I LOVE Oblivion.

[pacman]

Well I was talking about a port of the arcade version of Dark Ressurection, which actually did have a US release. Anyhow, Dark Ressurection is Tekken 5, with 2 new characters, more stages, more music and various balancing and tweaking of the rest of the characters. It delivers the same experience as Tekken 5. It was even called Tekken 5.2 at one point, but that's OK. Tekken 5 was a GOOD game.

To me, that makes it a completely different game. For example, I played T5 competitively and I can't play DR at the same level because of the way gameplay changes were made to the character I play. To me, and the rest of the fighting game community, that makes a huge difference. Furthermore, T5 is a broken game: one combo from the top tier kills you.


It's that a good fighting game needs fluid control, balanced characters and depth. Therefore both MK and Tekken fail on the first one since they both have the robotic dial-a-combo.

Um, T5 in no way has a dial-a-combo system that works on any decent level of play. If you are losing to ten strings consistantly in Tekken you haven't learned to beat them properly. I'm no fan of VF (control is too jerky for me) but I know it's a great game that is probably one of the most balanced fighters period.

Lastly, anyone who says that Soul Calibur is a better fighting game I hope is merely trying to state their opinion, and not fact. I say this because SC has almost no wakeup games, moves that cannot be punished (and a lot of them) and at least in SC2 had moves that could not be sidestepped/walked, thus defeating the entire purpose of those moves. Is it fun? yes, I enjoy the SC series quite a bit. Is it a better game? not at all

[Roman]

The PSP currently has about 6 games that really appeal to me. But compared to the DS, which has ZERO, that's pretty good. Maybe Brain Age, but that's hardly a system seller for me.

Maybe the PSP is more of a "portable console" rather than a "pick-up-and-play" handheld, but I don't have a problem with that at all. Having a PS2 you can stick in your pocket is a godsend when travelling. Even just goofing around in GTA:LC is a great time waster when my eyes are tired from reading.

[Royal Fool]

Blah blah blah DS blah blah blah PSP blah blah.

[Spigot]

blah blah blah Soul Calibur blah blah blah Mortal Kombat blah blah blah Tekken blah blah blah Bubble Bobble

[DeathtollWRX]

PSP was the worst console I ever purchased. I bought 8 games at launch and nothing since... actually I purchased field commander which was decent but far from great. I was really hoping to play Gran Turismo Mobile on it but that never came to be.

[Spigot]

It's actually a shame that Sony has gone so far out of their way to kill the homebrew stuff on the PSP. I was actually very excited about it for a while until it started to require firmware updates to run newer games which killed the homebrew stuff. Bleh.

[KidCactus]

It's actually a shame that Sony has gone so far out of their way to kill the homebrew stuff on the PSP. I was actually very excited about it for a while until it started to require firmware updates to run newer games which killed the homebrew stuff. Bleh.
Ever heard of Devhook?

[pseudopseudo]

They actually have a modchip out now that allows you to have 2 different versions of the firmware on one PSP. That way, you can keep 1.5 around for homebrew, and update the other for new games. If I remember right, it's not even that expensive or difficult to install.

[Spigot]

Ever heard of Devhook?
No. No I haven't.

Sounds like an evil pirate.

[Animated X]

I have been following this thread, and I have to finally put my opinion in the mix (although the war seems to be pretty much over here)

I have both an original DS, and Psp, and enjoy gaming on both. I take the bus 4 hours a day, 3-4 days a week, and those systems really keep me sane on the long ride.

When I bought my ds, and got Animal Crossing, Castlevania, I played nothing but DS for over a month, and for longer I still played mostly ds. But since NSMB, there have been really no DS games that are really must plays for me. I agree with an above poster that the majority of great DS games are nintendo games. It has nothing to do with the DS being a better system, its just Nintendo makes great games.

For the last few months (ever since NSMB, actually), haven't even turned on my DS, and played exclusively on my Psp. I watch all my recorded tv shows on my psp, on the bus, so that tides me over when there are no new games.

Now to an issue that has been bugging me for a long time. Lots of people complain about the load times on psp, that they are all ports, etc, and praise the glory of ds, and its pick up and play games and zero load times. Only 2 years ago, the only relevant portable system was the gba, which had some great games, but definately lacking in horsepower. There was no chance in hell that any (then) current gen game could be ported to the gba. Now we have a system comparible in power to the ps2, and all it gets is hate about having ports.

I think its great that I can play console type games on the go, instead of having to settle for watered down versions of my favourite games.

To me, DS and Psp offer two different types of games and gameplay experiences, and both are great, relevant handheld consoles.

[Animated X]

Oh, and to reply to the original thread, I do indeed have my copy pre-ordered...even though I don't think it will actually sell out. I just want to pick it up as soon as it hits.

[Kamalot]

For the last few months (ever since NSMB, actually), haven't even turned on my DS, and played exclusively on my Psp. I watch all my recorded tv shows on my psp, on the bus, so that tides me over when there are no new games.
I hear you. We are in the summer doldrums where few big games are released. I think it is coming to an end soon with the release of StarFox. In the downtime, I went back and beat Sonic Rush, Viewtiful Joe and I am starting Trauma Center. Also, I have re-discovered Pokemon for the GBA, a game that is fairly endless. Also make sure you get in your brain age test every day. Mine's down to 22!

[Metal Jesus]

I think its great that I can play console type games on the go, instead of having to settle for watered down versions of my favourite games.


You just hit on the #1 thing I liked about the PSP when I first bought it. It was around the time that Fire Emblem and Breath of Fire was released on the GBA, and I found myself wondering why I was paying almost full price for games that looked like they were 15 years old. Sure, those games have good gameplay, and I enjoy the occassional retro look (my EvilAvatar signature is a C64 nod!), but I wanted the PS2 quality of graphics and gameplay complexity in my hand! For me, that is worth the extra load times the UMD requires. Thankfully now some developers are even getting better about that (ie: Daxter).

[Kamalot]

Call me when Fire Emblem shows up on the PSP.

[Spigot]

Here's something I wonder as I wander...

What is the average age of a PSP user as opposed to a DS user?

Not that I'm trying to slight anyone, I'm just curious as to me, it would make a lot more sense to have a PSP for all of the multimedia watching, etc. if I was either taking a bus or being driven about for long periods of time. Granted, that could translate to car pooling, but it seems to me that it would be the late teen, early 20's set that would be taking the bus more than we old fogeys in our 30's or so.

Now as 30 year old geezer, I take my DS to work and play it when I have a few spare minutes here and there and usually play it for a stretch in the evening when I get home. Actually playing WHILE I am commuting is a no-go as I would crash my car. When I get home and want to play a console quality game, I'd rather just play the actual game on my console.

The DS is a great system when the developers (usually Nintendo, but not always) take the time to do something other than port games to it. I think that's the DS's major strength. When it first was released, it did have a lot of lacklustre ports. Nowadays, devs have embraced all of the various quirks of the system (dual screens, touch screen, mic) to really make some unique games or variations of classic franchises.

If ports are what you're looking for, you're right, Animated. The PSP is quite spiffy for having close to PS2 quality graphics and games without the usual downgrade like we used to get going from PS2 to GBA. I think it's mainly a matter of a) do you prefer your games to be more of the niche/unique variety or do you crave an experience almost identical to your home console experience and b) do the multimedia functions of the PSP interest you or are you just interested in playing a game?

Your answer to those two questions will determine which system you're likely to enjoy playing at any given time.

Soo...

How's that Tekken on the PSP, anyway?

[TrackZero]

For the last few months (ever since NSMB, actually), haven't even turned on my DS, and played exclusively on my Psp. I watch all my recorded tv shows on my psp, on the bus, so that tides me over when there are no new games.


No doubt, we're in the slow summer release period. Though you can hardly accuse the DS of this over any other system, nor do I think having only 2 quiet months constitutes any major change in system viability. I'd much rather read a novel on my way to work than deal with the hassle of a PSP, IMHO.

[Metal Jesus]

What is the average age of a PSP user as opposed to a DS user?

I am 35 years old and I ride the 28 Express bus every day into downtown Seattle. That bus is almost completely filled with adults going back and forth to work every day. On any given day there are 1 or 2 PSPs in use, 1 or 2 DSs and almost every single person has an iPod with white headphones jammed in their ears.

[TrackZero]

Here's something I wonder as I wander...

What is the average age of a PSP user as opposed to a DS user?

Not that I'm trying to slight anyone, I'm just curious as to me, it would make a lot more sense to have a PSP for all of the multimedia watching, etc. if I was either taking a bus or being driven about for long periods of time. Granted, that could translate to car pooling, but it seems to me that it would be the late teen, early 20's set that would be taking the bus more than we old fogeys in our 30's or so.

Now as 30 year old geezer, I take my DS to work and play it when I have a few spare minutes here and there and usually play it for a stretch in the evening when I get home. Actually playing WHILE I am commuting is a no-go as I would crash my car. When I get home and want to play a console quality game, I'd rather just play the actual game on my console.


I'd say you're on to something Spig. I've yet to see a single person over the age of 20 with a PSP. I only see teenagers with them, everyone else has a DS/GBA. It could definitely have something to do with the time one has to spend on games.

[Animated X]

Here's something I wonder as I wander...

What is the average age of a PSP user as opposed to a DS user?

Not that I'm trying to slight anyone, I'm just curious as to me, it would make a lot more sense to have a PSP for all of the multimedia watching, etc. if I was either taking a bus or being driven about for long periods of time. Granted, that could translate to car pooling, but it seems to me that it would be the late teen, early 20's set that would be taking the bus more than we old fogeys in our 30's or so.

Now as 30 year old geezer, I take my DS to work and play it when I have a few spare minutes here and there and usually play it for a stretch in the evening when I get home. Actually playing WHILE I am commuting is a no-go as I would crash my car. When I get home and want to play a console quality game, I'd rather just play the actual game on my console.

The DS is a great system when the developers (usually Nintendo, but not always) take the time to do something other than port games to it. I think that's the DS's major strength. When it first was released, it did have a lot of lacklustre ports. Nowadays, devs have embraced all of the various quirks of the system (dual screens, touch screen, mic) to really make some unique games or variations of classic franchises.

If ports are what you're looking for, you're right, Animated. The PSP is quite spiffy for having close to PS2 quality graphics and games without the usual downgrade like we used to get going from PS2 to GBA. I think it's mainly a matter of a) do you prefer your games to be more of the niche/unique variety or do you crave an experience almost identical to your home console experience and b) do the multimedia functions of the PSP interest you or are you just interested in playing a game?

Your answer to those two questions will determine which system you're likely to enjoy playing at any given time.

Soo...

How's that Tekken on the PSP, anyway?
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I am 25, actually, and haven't seen anybody 25+ playing any kind of portable game system on the bus/transit. Okay, maybe some guys that work at EA (the Vancouver studio is on my way to school), but its hard to pin an exact age on them.

To your credit though, I do agree that Psp games, however good, definately call for a bigger chunk of time to play, which isn't always convenient. I am lucky that although my commute is fairly long, I get 2 long chunks of time to play games & watch movies/tv.

Its nice to hear arguments for both sides of the DS/PSP argument here, but honestly, I don't really see the point. Sure, DS has a bunch of great, pick up and play, addicting, 2D games, but PsP also has a bunch of AAA titles, albeit of a more console type nature. Maybe I am biased because I have both systems, but is there really a point in getting all riled up on which is the better system? Both systems have their strenghs, and both have kickass exclusive games.

Why all the Hate?

[Spigot]

Why all the Hate?
Because with hate comes attitude and with attitude one progresses a step closer to true oneness with the Red Eye of Evil Avatar.

[TrackZero]

Why all the Hate?

For me, it's because of the wasted potential. I want people to stop buying/supporting the PSP out of protest of the design mistakes. The battery needs to be bigger. Broken pixels should be replaced (exchanges at the store for a good one). The d-pad needs a complete fix (I'd like to do a hadoken in SF2 at some point, thanks). And the UMD load times, it's just horrible. I want more support on the memory card end of things.

And for fucks sake, allow full screen resolution and native divx/xvid support for movies on the memory cards, Sony.

For the pricetag, at the very least, the d-pad and battery should be fixed. That's why I'm angry. That I spent $550+ Canadian for something that ended up going next to completely unused due to lack of any interesting games that I wanted.

Ok, now that I got that out, maybe you'll understand where I'm coming from. I expected more and it cost me an arm and a leg.

[Animated X]

For me, it's because of the wasted potential. I want people to stop buying/supporting the PSP out of protest of the design mistakes. The battery needs to be bigger. Broken pixels should be replaced (exchanges at the store for a good one). The d-pad needs a complete fix (I'd like to do a hadoken in SF2 at some point, thanks). And the UMD load times, it's just horrible. I want more support on the memory card end of things.

Actually, I agree with you on these points. I think that is the major problem with the psp, as has been said many times before. Sony brought out this machine that has so many uses and potential, then just forgot about it.

I use it for movies, but have to spend time (not a lot, but a pain in the ass anyway) converting them to mp4 AND renaming them to mnv0000# or else the damn Psp won't read them.

And whats up with the low volume on mp4 movies? Games can go super loud, but I can barely hear the movies when I am on the bus, even with the volume turned all the way up!

I am thinking about using a downgrader on my Psp, just so I can use Iso's of the games I already own to cut down on the load time.

The battery time I don't find too bad, its better than talk time on an average cellphone, pretty good considering what it can do. Plus its only 30$ for an extra battery, so if you run out of juice you can just pop a fresh one in and keep going. If you run out of power on your DS, your screwed, on the other hand.

The D-Pad does suck for fighting games. I am a huge Darkstalkers fan and bought it the second I got my psp, yet its virtually unplayable with the stock D-pad (I felt so ashamed setting it to damned easy mode). I actually bought a stick on dpad, and it works great, but its really just a stop gap. I will probably go through the hassle of opening up my psp to fix the dpad, all it takes is some masking tape to raise up the dpad.

There are a ton of things that could be improved. I wish sony would just bite the bullet, declare UMD's dead and actually promote video transfer and offer an easy, FREE transfer program, and add a built in 20 gig HD....