View Full Version : Denzel Washington to Play Master Chief?
bapenguin
07-12-2006, 04:30 AM
XBoxic (http://www.xboxic.com/news/1249) got wind of a rumor which puts the big DW in the leading role in the upcoming Halo movie.According to DarkHorizons.com, Oscar winner Denzel Washington is rumoured to be up for the role of “Master Chief” in Fox/Universal’s film version of the Microsoft/Bungie videogame sensation Halo.
The site did not cite a source for the rumour, which comes on the heels of the news reported earlier this month by the Associated Press that Washington had met with filmmaker Peter Jackson in New Zealand to discuss working together.
Thoughts? I really don't think it matters TOO much who is the Chief...since most likely he'll be suited up most of the time. They just have to deliver the lines well, and Denzel will be all over that!
Thanks Mdot23 for the tip.
JudasGoat
07-12-2006, 04:35 AM
For a generic space marine with few lines and no personality (snap!), they could get someone with no talent for little money without losing much. That they're going for someone like Washington is surprising. I'm still holding out for Bill Paxton. ;)
Ph00p
07-12-2006, 04:39 AM
Great way to rape a career, being in a shitty videogame movie.
Dr Quincy
07-12-2006, 04:41 AM
But the fella's a negro!
JudasGoat
07-12-2006, 04:45 AM
But the fella's a negro!
You make a good point. Everyone knows that master chief is supposed to be an Eskimo.
Suicidal ShiZuru
07-12-2006, 04:46 AM
You guys are forgetting we are talking about a video game movie. It could be on mars with big headed aliens and naked elves for all we know. Bad choice either way though.
SexualChoc
07-12-2006, 04:48 AM
Well of what Latino Review said, you never see his face, so why not use the actor from the games? Thus giving a bit of authenticity (and credibility) to the movie.
Norse
07-12-2006, 04:54 AM
As long as they don't hand the role to some cool hip-hop/rap artist, like hollywood have a tendency to, it should be hard to f**k up.
bapenguin
07-12-2006, 05:01 AM
As long as they don't hand the role to some cool hip-hop/rap artist, like hollywood have a tendency to, it should be hard to f**k up.
What?!?! You don't think Snoop Dogg could pull of the MC? ;)
MosBen
07-12-2006, 05:07 AM
Watch out for the energy sword my shnizzles!
Edit: Just read the link. First and foremost, I know he won the Oscar for Training Day, but is that really his most well known role? Malcom X? Glory? But I digress. My guess is that casting a known actor means lots more face time for the actor than we'd expect based on the game. That means a transparent visor so we can see him in the action and taking the helmet off when the action's over and he's just talking to folks. There's just no way you get an A-list actor like Denzel to put on a bulky and probably really uncomfortable Master Chief suit for a few months if his face isn't going to appear much/at all in the film. The only way we're not going to see Master Chief's face is if it's nobody worth seeing or if it's a CG film.
Paranoia
07-12-2006, 05:10 AM
I prefer to see MC kept his helmet intact much like V for Vandetta.
JazGalaxy
07-12-2006, 05:20 AM
I really don't see Denzel Washington as The Master Chief. Basically his two functions are to kick butt and be randomly snarky. I've never really seen Washington do that. I think we'd need someone a little more obnoxious for that. I'm thinking Nathan Fillion from Firefly.
kid cabelgo
07-12-2006, 05:20 AM
I prefer to see MC kept his helmet intact much like V for Vandetta.
agreed. It worked for V and it worked for darth vader. I don't think we have to see his face to give his character personality. And whoever does the voice acting probably wouldn't be in the suit of course.
How about Oded Fehr (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004912/) for MC?
pics: link (http://images.google.com/images?q=Oded+Fehr&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images)
Heretic Machine
07-12-2006, 05:22 AM
Bleh... they should just get the guy who did the voice for the game.
Morratut
07-12-2006, 05:24 AM
DW is my favorite actor. He kicks ass, but I still want to see a unknown actor take on the role of MC. Even then he should nearly always be helmeted.
bapenguin
07-12-2006, 05:32 AM
Maybe I should play the Master Chief?
Starring bapenguin as "The Master Chief"
Cubfan
07-12-2006, 05:38 AM
Wow, Denzel Washington is a very talented actor. I'm surprised about the complaining, would you rather it be the Rock? His presence will know doubt lend some legitimacy to the movie and might help in recruiting other name actors to fill the rest of the cast. Maybe it will be more than just a shitty 'videogame' movie.
I'd be surprised if it happened though.
SexualChoc
07-12-2006, 05:40 AM
Maybe I should play the Master Chief?
Starring bapenguin as "The Master Chief"
That'd be awesome. In fact, here is a leaked pic:
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/8670/bap1mw.jpg
If this rumour is true it at least means they are serious about the movie. They probably picked a big name like Denzel Washington because they want to attract more people then us gaming nerds to go to the movie so it can reach its budget. As long as they dont ruint it with some stupid love affair like hollywood always does im sold on it.
atrus20
07-12-2006, 05:48 AM
Maybe I should play the Master Chief?
Starring bapenguin as "The Master Chief"
I don't think you would pass the warthog driving test... :rolleyes:
Then again thats what stunt drivers are for. :p
Grimgrock
07-12-2006, 05:57 AM
I really don't see Denzel Washington as The Master Chief. Basically his two functions are to kick butt and be randomly snarky. I've never really seen Washington do that. I think we'd need someone a little more obnoxious for that. I'm thinking Nathan Fillion from Firefly.
If Denzel didn't "kick butt" in Man on Fire, I'm not really sure what you want.
His role in that movie is, IMO, 10 times better than his role in Training Day but it's probably because I respect his character in that movie far more than his character in Training Day.
As for him in this movie, seems like a waste of talent. On the other hand, weren't they talking about some big name director for this movie? Perhaps that's what is attracting the big name talent.0
Ludoc
07-12-2006, 06:04 AM
Seems like the source just assumed he would be playing the MC. I think it's much more likely he'll be playing Sgt. Johnson.
Mdot23
07-12-2006, 06:06 AM
I also read that the news might have been mixed up and Denzel might be going for the role of Sarge instead, which would make more sense. Get some physically able actor for the Chief and have Steve Downes do the voice over.
Edit: Ludoc, beat me to it
CaptStu
07-12-2006, 06:08 AM
Seems like the source just assumed he would be playing the MC. I think it's much more likely he'll be playing Sgt. Johnson.
Good point. Good point indeed.
SexualChoc
07-12-2006, 06:24 AM
Seems like the source just assumed he would be playing the MC. I think it's much more likely he'll be playing Sgt. Johnson.
Aw. I was hoping for a Samulel L. Jackson to play Johnson. That would a whole new level of kickassery.
But the fella's a negro! :eek:
My take is that you aren't named after Dr. Quincy from Sealab 2020... I should hope you don't say things like that in public, that kind of language might be good for Sony ads, but this is a respectable forum. Am I suspect that if he did get the role of MC you'd be claiming he got it because of Affirmative Action?
Roc Ingersol
07-12-2006, 06:31 AM
If MC keeps the helmet on, I say keep the voice actor from the game.
But if they're actually courting a star for MC, then there is no way in hell he's keeping the helmet on. You don't pay for a star and not put his face in the trailer. I don't think any star would go for it, and I sure as hell don't think the studio would go for it.
Adam Blue
07-12-2006, 06:33 AM
I like DW, but I don't want this. Use a stuntman with a voiceactor.
GodFather
07-12-2006, 06:45 AM
..opening line to movie as Master Chief walks into a busy space shuttle...
"Where are all da white women at?"
I thought when I read the title that he was going to be cast as Sgt. Johnson. This is... kind of weird. But Denzel is one of my favorite actors, so I cannot go wrong with him. I honestly have never disliked one of his films, but I really cannot see him as the MC. Maybe he can pull it off, we'll see. The voice actor from the game should have done his voice, but I dont think he quite looks the part, nor is he a big actor guy.
GunnyMo
07-12-2006, 07:19 AM
He's done some good action movies and, from what I've seen, is a fairly big guy but I'd wonder why he would want this role. I'm sure they will "reveal" MCs face in the movie but I would think he would be helmeted for most of the time.
I don't know. It seems odd to go with an A-list star for a movie where you don't actually see their trademark (face) for most of the movie.
Plays4Pants
07-12-2006, 07:36 AM
Whomever gives two bags of shit about a halo movie needs to be put into a lab for further testing.
Honestly, if you watched the horrible stallone flic demolition man you've watched halo the movie. Just replace wesley snipes with aliens from another planet and put a stupid helmet on stallones head. Which, in all honesty i've prefer to see an eccentric performance from a washed up actor than see another god damn movie with aliens.
jdaw2552
07-12-2006, 07:42 AM
The article specifically said it didn't know which role it would be. Think about it. He'd very likely play the Sergeant Johnson. Which he would be well suited for, but no way would he play the chief. The chief is supposed to be some white pasty dude.
Rook34
07-12-2006, 07:43 AM
But the fella's a negro!
Lol!!! Funniest line I've seen in awhile!
That reminds me of the film Blazing Saddles. Funny stuff.
Rook34
07-12-2006, 07:44 AM
And about DW... I doubt it. High name actors hate having their faces covered up, because they're prissy little bitches. I can't imagine who would make a good master chief, but DW isn't it.
Now he WOULD be a good Sarge...
yellowoystercult
07-12-2006, 07:50 AM
The chief is supposed to be some white pasty dude.
Is he?
I don't follow Halo lore too closely, but I always assumed Master Chief was black.
Nameback
07-12-2006, 07:54 AM
Is he?
I don't follow Halo lore too closely, but I always assumed Master Chief was black.
He is indeed a white pasty dude. I read the first set of books so.
pomeroy
07-12-2006, 08:13 AM
:eek:
My take is that you aren't named after Dr. Quincy from Sealab 2020... I should hope you don't say things like that in public, that kind of language might be good for Sony ads, but this is a respectable forum. Am I suspect that if he did get the role of MC you'd be claiming he got it because of Affirmative Action?
Wow....you really missed the sarcasm train, my friend.
SexualChoc
07-12-2006, 08:15 AM
Is he?
I don't follow Halo lore too closely, but I always assumed Master Chief was black.
Nope. If you read the books, he is an incredibly pasty white. Due to augmentations and being in his armour since he about 17. I do believe there are (or were) black spartans.
Savok
07-12-2006, 08:24 AM
I'm thinking Nathan Fillion from Firefly.
As Joss Whedon put it, Nathan is a hair actor, his really cool hair is what elevates him above others. That said I don't see anyone as MC other then a stuntman in the suit and the actual game VA.
Denzel would be a great Sarge, can't get Sam because lets face it, he'd take over the film and end up kicking more ass then MC.
Mdot23
07-12-2006, 08:36 AM
yea, i'm reading the Fall of Reach right now and Chief is described (as a kid) as being white with rustled, messed up hair and freckles. then as he gets older, he has a shaved head and gets pale due to being in the suit.
Dag-Sabot
07-12-2006, 09:38 AM
Wow this bit of news will have me watching bash closely...
ZombieFrog
07-12-2006, 09:42 AM
My money says the Master Chief's helmet will have a transparent faceplate so that you can see the actor's face all the time. Maybe... just maybe they'll have a mirrored mode but it will just be for special fx value. Watch and see!
CaptStu
07-12-2006, 10:02 AM
Scroll down the main page. Already posted as news.
Dag-Sabot
07-12-2006, 10:02 AM
-someone has already posted on this. Press the page down key a few times, or possibly the "old news button" ;)
edit: NM was moved.
sTubbs
07-12-2006, 10:03 AM
As long as they keep the helmet on I will be happy. The second we see the face of Master Chief is the second that this movie has strayed to far away from the games. If anyone gets to decide what master chief looks like, it should be Bungie.
Varsity
07-12-2006, 10:03 AM
You can see he's embarrased, his name has gone all red.
jeffool
07-12-2006, 10:04 AM
You can see he's embarrased, his name has gone all red.Now that, sir, is comedy.
fitbabits
07-12-2006, 10:07 AM
CaptStu, Dag-Sabot, Varsity, and jeffool - thanks! Now, back to regular programming!
I reckon Denzel as Master Chief would be an inspired casting decision. All we need now is someone 'foxy' to play Cortana and I'm in!
Edit - And jeffool, you earned yourself a new title. Smart ass.
CaptStu
07-12-2006, 10:14 AM
Fit, didn't your news post say something about Denzel directing an un-named Peter Jackson movie? Maybe he is doing Halo.
fitbabits
07-12-2006, 10:18 AM
Fit, didn't your news post say something about Denzel directing an un-named Peter Jackson movie? Maybe he is doing Halo.
You mean this one:
Our buddies from FilmForce reported last night a gossip piece from Dark Horizons that claims Denzel Washington will play the Master Chief role in the upcoming film adaptation of the popular Xbox game series.
The site did not cite a source for the rumor, which comes on the heels of the news reported earlier this month by the Associated Press that Washington had met with filmmaker Peter Jackson in New Zealand to discuss working together.
Jackson is exec producing Halo. The AP claimed that Washington would direct an unspecified project that Jackson's Weta special effects house would do the visual effects for.
We find hard to believe that an Oscar-winning actor with the prestige of Denzel Washington would play a role that has him inside the MJOLNIR armor throughout the entire film without showing his face. Plus, fans of the series would complain that Master Chief doesn't have the same voice as in the video games.
Considering that Sergeant Major Avery J. Johnson is a central character in the series and that both are Afro-Americans, we think it is possible that the role Denzel Washington might has been signed for the role of Sgt. Johnson and not Master Chief.
From the very beginning, we thought there were only two actors who should play Sgt. Johnson: Denzel Washington or Samuel L. Jackson. We won't accept another actor.
Who do you think should play Sgt. Johnson?
The only thing I see there is that Denzel and PJ allegedly met to discuss working together. It's too big a gamble to have Denzel direct, in my opinion.
CaptStu
07-12-2006, 10:25 AM
The only other movie I know of Jackson having some involvement is "The Lovely Bones", and that's a drama ... correct me if I'm wrong, derived from a novel.
Maybe it's not too much of a stretch for Denzel to do something of this caliber.
bapenguin
07-12-2006, 10:43 AM
I guess just a general warning: Please remember we do not tolerate racist comments. I know it's kind of fresh with everyone with the PSP scandal last week, but please keep posts in line.
fitbabits
07-12-2006, 10:46 AM
I really don't see Denzel Washington as The Master Chief. Basically his two functions are to kick butt and be randomly snarky. I've never really seen Washington do that. I think we'd need someone a little more obnoxious for that. I'm thinking Nathan Fillion from Firefly.
What about Man on Fire? He kicked major ass in that and was as funny as hell.
fitbabits
07-12-2006, 10:48 AM
..opening line to movie as Master Chief walks into a busy space shuttle...
"Where are all da white women at?"
Wow, that's not offensive or anything. Idiot.
imgneevrythng
07-12-2006, 11:14 AM
have you people forgotten a little movie called "Crimson Tide?"
washington is in no way fit for master chief. he IS however, very fit for and very capable of performing the role of master chief's cigar-smokin friend, Sergeant Johnson.
lookin at crimson tide, its no wonder why jackson would want to see denzel about a role. hes perfect for sgt. johnson.
fitbabits
07-12-2006, 11:17 AM
have you people forgotten a little movie called "Crimson Tide?"
washington is in no way fit for master chief. he IS however, very fit for and very capable of performing the role of master chief's cigar-smokin friend, Sergeant Johnson.
lookin at crimson tide, its no wonder why jackson would want to see denzel about a role. hes perfect for sgt. johnson.
Yeah, thanks for that!
Please tell the audience why you think that Denzel "is in now way fit for master chief".
imgneevrythng
07-12-2006, 11:21 AM
for the many reasons why people previous have stated.
masterchief's face should not be seen. having a big name actor like denzel would mean alot of face time and ultimatly ruin the movie.
even if we DO see master cheif's face...are you really gunna want to associate him with denzel washington everytime you play the game? a no-name actor is needed much like with superman.
and i just cant see denzel wieldin a battlerifle, meleeing little grunts all over the place. to me, hes a "static" actor meaning he doesnt do alot of running and gunning. he mainly delivers his lines.
SexualChoc
07-12-2006, 11:48 AM
In all honesty, I don't have a problem with anyone playing the chief. My problem is, if you add someone like Denzel in the movie, playing the chief, he'll be expected to have a large amount of screen time, thus needing to show his face. Now not only does go against the entire game's 'mystery' of his face but would also mean he would repeatedly need to remove his helmet throughout the movie. Now I understand that 'V for Vendetta' Hugo Weaving did not show his face once. But with the Master Chief, he'll need someone to be at least 6'5 to fill out MJOLNIR armour. In which case, why cast him in the movie at all? It's clearly adding a hollywood name to it, when it's clearly not needed.
Now that proves that either A) He's playing Johnson or B) It's just adding the name to it. Of course there is always C) It's all a damn lie.
Kefkataran
07-12-2006, 12:04 PM
First Bap gets cast as the Black Panther, now as Master Chief? Crazy world.
Mdot23
07-12-2006, 12:22 PM
First Bap gets cast as the Black Panther, now as Master Chief? Crazy world.
there's got to be a roll out there for you kefkataran
HALO 32
07-12-2006, 12:24 PM
well...chances are they will be using him to be in the suit (to get that tough look) and then dub over it with the real MC's voice
like Star Wars, they found a guy that was tall but his voice was too...englishy...so they found a guy with a deep voice and used his!
or atleast thats what i would expect
Be realistic people. This is a 2 hour major motion picture. He is going to take his fucking helmet off, and he is going to show some emotion. Wrap your head around the fact that he does indeed have a face, and that you're going to have to get used to looking at it in the movie. Once you've done that, then you can stop being an idiot.
sol740
07-12-2006, 12:34 PM
No you guys are thinking of the purple spartan. Not The MC. This movie should not be live action. Its gonna suck. Do a "Final Fantasy Spirits Within" style and quality animation movie and it might rock if they don't fuck up the stories from the books.
Be realistic people. This is a 2 hour major motion picture. He is going to take his fucking helmet off, and he is going to show some emotion. Wrap your head around the fact that he does indeed have a face, and that you're going to have to get used to looking at it in the movie. Once you've done that, then you can stop being an idiot.
and you ... shut up
imgneevrythng
07-12-2006, 12:37 PM
Be realistic people. This is a 2 hour major motion picture. He is going to take his fucking helmet off, and he is going to show some emotion. Wrap your head around the fact that he does indeed have a face, and that you're going to have to get used to looking at it in the movie. Once you've done that, then you can stop being an idiot.
apparently, you never saw "V for Vendetta."
..idiot.
I don't think you would pass the warthog driving test... :rolleyes:
Then again thats what stunt drivers are for. :p
QFT I still cry from the memories
Kefkataran
07-12-2006, 12:58 PM
there's got to be a roll out there for you kefkataran
I hope so. :(
Also, Wyrm, supposedly in the script he doesn't take the mask off. Now that could be changed between now and when the film is done, certainly, but it's at least viable that he wouldn't.
I hope so. :(
Here Kef you can be Thor (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800369/)
fitbabits
07-12-2006, 01:11 PM
apparently, you never saw "V for Vendetta."
..idiot.
Now that's how to make friends here. :rolleyes:
SirKnightXCX
07-12-2006, 02:08 PM
I've always thought Master Chief was white under that suite. lol.
fitbabits
07-12-2006, 02:25 PM
I've always thought Master Chief was white under that suite. lol.
Why 'lol'?
Who knew that there were this many closed-minded gamers...
Most of you would say... "Surely its okay for a black man to be in the movie, but only as the Sgt. Johnson, but he could never play the awesome role of MC." Forget the fact that Peter Jackson is a stellar man behind a camera, and that Washigton is stellar in front of one.
Who cares about what you read anyways. Isn't this movie supposed to be about the "Forerunners?" Prior to the current Spartan and Halo story line. Isn't there more than one Spartan (DOA4)? So according to the comments made here it would be "wrong" for the Spartan to be white and have the same voice as the game character, because it isn't the same story.
I guess it'd really piss you people off if it turned out that the Spartan in the film was a woman...
I laugh at you all...
I just don't hear MC's voice being that of DW. I don't know why they wouldn't use the voice actor in the game
Furious Wang
07-12-2006, 03:21 PM
All I know is Denzel can offer a sardonic delivery like no other and that's what Master Chief is all about.
I just don't hear MC's voice being that of DW. I don't know why they wouldn't use the voice actor in the game
Well, they won't use the voice actor because this isn't a game... nor is it a CG film... therefore the use of real actors is probably needed, we don't need that stiffness of someone who is only used to acting from a booth.
Well, they won't use the voice actor because this isn't a game... nor is it a CG film... therefore the use of real actors is probably needed, we don't need that stiffness of someone who is only used to acting from a booth.
I would imagine that it would just be voice over anyway. I think Peter Jackson would get to know the character enough so as not to unmask him.
Kefkataran
07-12-2006, 03:39 PM
Here Kef you can be Thor
YAAY! THUNDER GOD! BOOM!
Most of you would say... "Surely its okay for a black man to be in the movie, but only as the Sgt. Johnson, but he could never play the awesome role of MC." Forget the fact that Peter Jackson is a stellar man behind a camera, and that Washigton is stellar in front of one.
While I completely agree with your point overall, Jackson isn't actually going to be behind the camera, is he? He's just producing, not directing this, I thought?
niakori
07-12-2006, 03:47 PM
Speculation is funny, especially when the 'information' is just vague rumors.
I'm glad the reds got over to this thread quick, some psp ads has made EV a bit unfriendly, I'm going into lurk mode.
Just looked up it (http://www.bungie.net/News/TopStory.aspx?story=biggorilla&p=4955829) and he is the executive producer.
fitbabits
07-12-2006, 03:49 PM
Speculation is funny, especially when the 'information' is just vague rumors.
I'm glad the reds got over to this thread quick, some psp ads has made EV a bit unfriendly, I'm going into lurk mode.
I'm so utterly confused here... :confused:
I'm so utterly confused here... :confused:
Oh good, I was worried that I was going to have to pretend that I understood it.
fitbabits
07-12-2006, 03:51 PM
Oh good, I was worried that I was going to have to pretend that I understood it.
You know, sometimes it's best to just come out and say you're confused. Purely for the good of the majority, of course. :)
You know, sometimes it's best to just come out and say you're confused. Purely for the good of the majority, of course. :)
...I'm confused again :confused:
fitbabits
07-12-2006, 03:59 PM
...I'm confused again :confused:
So am I! :confused:
fitbabits
07-12-2006, 04:06 PM
......Taco!
....Bell! Whatever happened to the Taco Bell dog, by the way?
Hey, Godzilla, want something to drink? (http://www.everwonder.com/david/tacobell/sounds2/twant.wav)
I think one of the lassies ate him
Wasson_
07-12-2006, 04:07 PM
I...actually kinda figured he would be black when he dies in Halo 3 and they do the whole dieing darth vader thing...even though he doesn't need armor live, yes I know. just shutup...
But I think that because in the games they have the whole "black buddy" dynamic going with that Apone from Aliens rip-off character, most people just assumed that he was just a white guy under the armor but...whatever. For all i know, Bruce Willis could be a master chief.
Yippie Ky-yi-ya Covienant Mother Fucker.
MosBen
07-12-2006, 04:08 PM
Wow, I'm shocked at the number of people that are adamant that MC leave the helmet on. I mean, there was a *reason* V never took his mask of. It was a central point of the film for crying out loud. MC doesn't take his helmet off because, like Gordon Freeman not talking, it's supposed to facilitate making the player feel that they're in the game. There's no metaphor about, well, metaphors going on here, it's just part of video games. How many characters in games either haven't shown their face or haven't uttered a word? I daren't count, but would we all want that translated over into a film adaptation?
MC also has, what, 50 lines between the two games? Should he be equally mute in the movie? In what way would it make the movie better? If we're going to be staring at this character for 2+ hours (hell, Peter Jackson's involved, better count on 3+), he better be more than a green suit of armor and some catchy one liners.
Ok 1 MC is neither black nor white he is FUCKING SAGE! and 2 The helmet needs to stay on because it IS his face. That is MC he is not an orge and does not have "layers" you can't peel his armor off anymore than his attitude.
He's in the running for Johnson, you retards.
And yes, Master Chief is white.
fitbabits
07-12-2006, 04:52 PM
He's in the running for Johnson, you retards.
And yes, Master Chief is white.
Retards? What the absolute hell?
niakori
07-12-2006, 05:04 PM
Damnit, I almost had this thread derailed.
Damnit, I almost had this thread derailed.
Taco? :confused:
MosBen
07-12-2006, 05:20 PM
I still haven't heard any reason outside of fanboy (and I do intend that as fondly as possible) dedication to the source material why it would be better for the *film* to have a faceless hero. There are good reasons why it works for the game. There are good reasons why it worked in V for Vendetta that were specific to the point the film/comic was trying to make.
Why is it objectively better to lose the emotive power of a skilled actor behind a mirrored face shield?
I still haven't heard any reason outside of fanboy dedication to the source material why it would be better for the *film* to have a faceless hero. There are good reasons why it works for the game. There are good reasons why it worked in V for Vendetta that were specific to the point the film/comic was trying to make.
Why is it objectively better to lose the emotive power of a skilled actor behind a mirrored face shield?
Thats just it he isn't faceless. A mask can be a face and usually is.
sol740
07-12-2006, 05:26 PM
Who knew that there were this many closed-minded gamers...
Most of you would say... "Surely its okay for a black man to be in the movie, but only as the Sgt. Johnson, but he could never play the awesome role of MC." Forget the fact that Peter Jackson is a stellar man behind a camera, and that Washigton is stellar in front of one.
Who cares about what you read anyways. Isn't this movie supposed to be about the "Forerunners?" Prior to the current Spartan and Halo story line. Isn't there more than one Spartan (DOA4)? So according to the comments made here it would be "wrong" for the Spartan to be white and have the same voice as the game character, because it isn't the same story.
I guess it'd really piss you people off if it turned out that the Spartan in the film was a woman...
I laugh at you all...
Wow aren't you Mr. PC. Anyways ... if this film was about the forerunners it wouldn't have any "spartans" in it at all. The fans want MC, not some 2nd rate, black, white, man, woman. MASTER FUCKING CHIEF. No one here is uppity about MC being played by a black man because we're racist. Its because John 117 is white. John is MC. Therefore he should be played by a white actor. I myself, happen to be asian, and if MC was played by an asian actor it would suck just as bad as having Denzel play MC. Denzel is a fantastic actor, but it just doesn't make any sense.
MosBen
07-12-2006, 05:58 PM
But the face shield *isn't* a face. In fact, that's the whole point. He's a faceless husk onto which the player can imprint their their experiences. It's done in countless video games, particularly first person shooters, and it makes sense there. Immersion is key in a game in a way that it just isn't in a movie. Much more important in a movie is giving the audience a character to drive the emotional arc of the story; to give the audience someone they can relate to, not imprint on.
Again, having an actor's face in your lead role brings benefits to the production. It's why we don't do plays like the Greeks anymore. If you're going to argue that MC shouldn't take off his helmet there should be some kind reason for it other than "that's the way it is in the game".
But the face shield *isn't* a face. In fact, that's the whole point. He's a faceless husk onto which the player can imprint their their experiences. It's done in countless video games, particularly first person shooters, and it makes sense there. Immersion is key in a game in a way that it just isn't in a movie. Much more important in a movie is giving the audience a character to drive the emotional arc of the story; to give the audience someone they can relate to, not imprint on.
Again, having an actor's face in your lead role brings benefits to the production. It's why we don't do plays like the Greeks anymore. If you're going to argue that MC shouldn't take off his helmet there should be some kind reason for it other than "that's the way it is in the game".
I agree completely and my reason isn't that, my reason is because "thats the Master Chief is". MC is a great character not just a husk, he says more in fewer words and guards himself at all times. That is why the helmet needs to stay on, because your not suppose to easily read emotions off his face like a once in a lifetime pass , but in his actions.
Mdot23
07-12-2006, 06:49 PM
if this film was about the forerunners it wouldn't have any "spartans" in it at all. The fans want MC, not some 2nd rate, black, white, man, woman. MASTER FUCKING CHIEF. No one here is uppity about MC being played by a black man because we're racist. Its because John 117 is white. John is MC. Therefore he should be played by a white actor. I myself, happen to be asian, and if MC was played by an asian actor it would suck just as bad as having Denzel play MC. Denzel is a fantastic actor, but it just doesn't make any sense.
thank you. this isn't a race thing or anything like that. its sticking to story that has been established. if this movie is a retelling of halo 1/2, he shouldn't take his helmet off, period. it doesnt matter who is under the suit because we won't see him (her, lol). just make steve downes voice the chief and that's about as accurate to the games you can get.
MosBen
07-12-2006, 06:59 PM
What works in video games doesn't necessarily work in movies. Furthermore, not every facet of a game is integral to it. Accuracy to the game is not an end unto itself.
Mdot23
07-12-2006, 07:37 PM
What works in video games doesn't necessarily work in movies. Furthermore, not every facet of a game is integral to it. Accuracy to the game is not an end unto itself.
agreed completely, but i just feel that something like revealing his face is a big enough aspect of the universe that shouldn't be changed and could change the already established character.
MosBen
07-12-2006, 08:21 PM
As long as the movie's good and sticks mostly to the game's mythos I just don't care about individual things that they change. Peter Parker didn't have organic webs in the comics, but the change worked in the movie just fine.
sol740
07-12-2006, 09:35 PM
Im not so much against seeing his face. If this does follow the books origins we'd have to see his face as a child, adolescent, and finally ass-kicking adult.I would actually prefer the actor be a nobody like George Lucas did with SW. All no names, for the most part. I just couldn't think of an actor I would want to play MC. Of courses I would still prefer a CG film to live-action. So many ways to cheese up the whole deal.
Kefkataran
07-12-2006, 10:45 PM
Just looked up it and he is the executive producer.
Yeah, so therefore little if any actual behind the camera work.
Wow aren't you Mr. PC. Anyways ... if this film was about the forerunners it wouldn't have any "spartans" in it at all. The fans want MC, not some 2nd rate, black, white, man, woman. MASTER FUCKING CHIEF. No one here is uppity about MC being played by a black man because we're racist. Its because John 117 is white. John is MC. Therefore he should be played by a white actor. I myself, happen to be asian, and if MC was played by an asian actor it would suck just as bad as having Denzel play MC. Denzel is a fantastic actor, but it just doesn't make any sense.
I'm still on edge after those PSP ads and Loco Roco images *shudder*.
I digress, I understand what you and the others are saying. But do we even know that that the John 117 Spartan, is the Spartan that will be in the film? If that is the case then cry all you want about it... If it happens to be some other Spartan let it go... I mean, I didn't boo hoo it up when they traded Billy D. Williams for Tommy Lee Jones in Batman Forever (even though it sucked ass)... I'm not getting my panties twisted over Megatron not being some type of projectile shooting weapon i.e. A gun, tank, mortar, rail gun, cannon etc.
The truth of the matter is, its a video game. The medium is meant to be raped so it is able to bring in the most money. I honestly think that there is a clause some where that says its okay to turn 90% of all video games and comics into crappy movies... Its just how the world works, live with it... or become your own Uwe Boll and make crappy game movies.
jeffool
07-13-2006, 07:30 AM
I'd be completely cool with Denzel being MC or Sarge. I mean, I'd much rather have the actor from the game, and I figure they'll probably use him. But if they're not going to, then I have no problem with Denzel at all. My God people; if they are going to get an 'A list' actor for the role, his voice would be twenty times better than most others.
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