Ghost Recon: Chapter 2 Available on Marketplace - 1200pts

[Morangie]

Chapter 2 of the Ghost Recon co-op is out on marketplace now (http://www.ghostrecon.com/uk/), for the low low price of 1200 points.


We're proud to announce that Chapter 2, the highly anticipated downloadable content (DLC) package for Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter is now available for download via Xbox Live! Marketplace. This quality premium content package will enhance and build upon the critically acclaimed original game by offering players an extensive continuation of the multiplayer co-op campaign set deep within Nicaragua, as well as extending players Live! experience with a wide array of new playable maps, game modes and character customization features. This premium content package is available now for download via the Xbox Live! Marketplace for 1200 points.


A bit more expensive than expected, think four new co-op maps are worth it?

[phantomhitman]

4 new maps, and relit version of them
4 relit old maps
4 or 8 new guns
a few new game modes

so basically 4 new maps for 1200 points, thats like $15 isnt it?

[bapenguin]

There's some new skins and such too. 15 bucks is a little higher than I would have liked...but I'll still snag it.

[Trillion]

I haven't had time to play GRAW mutliplayer. Oblivion has been taking up most of my gaming time recently, so I'll probably pass for now.

Still $15 is a bit more than I was expecting.

[Norse]

No surprise that publishers will try to demand high prices on the marketplace. The only surprise is that Electronic Arts haven't exploited this.

[Wyrm]

10 sounds about right, but 15? Eh. It seems like they continually try to push the limit with the price of these things. They want to know how much people will pay. DONT BUY IT. Set a standard here.

[sonysyndicate]

Chapter 2 of the Ghost Recon co-op is out on marketplace now (http://www.ghostrecon.com/uk/), for the low low price of 1200 points.

I just checked the marketplace, but could not find it. Is it possible that the U.K. got it first before the states?

[Wonka]

I am buying this. The coop expansion alone is worth it to me.

I worry that I might be sending a bit of a bad message to them though (this is a bit expensive for a product that they did not really have to distribute etc.).

But I am also hopeful that as more companies start to do content like this, the prices of future stuff will drop. Competition will do that (drop prices).

[Wonka]

No surprise that publishers will try to demand high prices on the marketplace. The only surprise is that Electronic Arts haven't exploited this.

The bigger the company, the more inertia they tend to have for trying new things. As soon as someone makes a lot of money EA will be there with press conferences on.

[Norse]

I just checked the marketplace, but could not find it. Is it possible that the U.K. got it first before the states?

I heard some UK gamers saying they couldn't find it and wondered if US users got it first. I guess it's not uploaded to all servers yet or something like that....

[Zanzibar]

10 bucks. I dunno, I've seen worse. (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11318&highlight=horse+armor+oblivion)

[goc_sin]

Game companies use to have patches that updated extra maps for free. It's sad to see that the oh mighty $$$ is their god these days, and that everyone seems to be following suit. Were paying more for less it seems, and I have fears that this model will bring about the fall of video games again!

[BabyJesus]

Do these maps give the extra 75 achievment points missing from the game?

[Heretic Machine]

Wonderful... it is as much as Lumines Shit-tasticly Basic Edition.

[Zurik]

I guess I should start feeling spoiled since Rise of Legends gave me a new map for free. This must be the difference between Xbox and PC users: We've been getting things like that for years without cost attached.

[digitalErich]

Bah, I was hoping the new map pack would get me back into playing GRAW, but $15 on top of a $60 game? No, thank you. This also has me second guessing purchasing RS: Vegas...are they going to short change me on the MP side so they can drop a $15 "expansion" a few months later? Live Arcade games are the only good use of microtransactions I've seen so far. I just don't see the value for the price in these expansions and themes and whatnot.

I'm not saying this is a rip off, just that it's not worth the price for me, personally and I don't think I'll be alone in this. You'd think if MS and the devs/pubs were serious about making micro-transactions a staple in a 360 owner's buying habits, they would err on the side of more value per dollar early on instead of pushing the limits right out of the gate like they seem to be doing.

[bapenguin]

No surprise that publishers will try to demand high prices on the marketplace. The only surprise is that Electronic Arts haven't exploited this.

I guess you haven't seen the 10000 generic sports themes and gamer pictures out there. It took exactly 15 seconds to make each one.

[Akeldama]

I'm apalled at the price of this new content. The PC version of the game is £20 cheaper yet gets free downloadable content - clearly subsidised by this ripoff. Over £10 for four new maps is taking the piss given the cost of the original game was £50.

[DoubleUranium]

Don't buy it. The price will come down.

[Limech]

Well, it's now official. First came the shitty gamer pictures at 150 points instead of them being at 40 max, then the horse armor, then episodic content (HL2:EP1) and booster packs (Euro Force/Armored Fury for BF2) and now $15 for 4 maps (kind of an expensive booster pack) for GRAW.

Here's a great trick. Rent games from a service like gamefly or getgames.ca, play the game and return it. When you don't own the game, you are less likely to invest in the excess crap.
I returned GRAW a few days ago so I couldn't care less about this DLC.

Problem is, there's still a sh#t load of people that will buy it. Case in point, marble blast ultra selling less copies than Geometry wars but still ending up making more money because it is twice as expensive. Companies see this happen and come to the conclusion that it is better to make something more expensive than less expensive even if it means less people buy it.

[Random Seed]

10 bucks. I dunno, I've seen worse. (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11318&highlight=horse+armor+oblivion)

Heh, I was going to say even I'm not going to bite on this crap, and I'm a horse armor buying jackass.

[Kelegacy]

Pricey.

Go go industry destructo boots!

*hehe

[joruussuun]

Should've been 800 points MAX... though, of course I don't have GRAW... or an Xbox 360.
But I should still know the value of things.

[GodFather]

if you dont buy it they wont try to charge these outragous prices. Money talks..

I obviously will pass on this one..

[SymetriX]

... the highly anticipated downloadable content (DLC) package...

Did they just invent an acronym? Who do they think they are, Microsoft?

[IRONGUSTAV]

iam a big graw fan but i feel a stupid if i buy this ( and coop is my fav mode) why? because if i buy this im just paving the way for future rip offs

[Salesmunn]

Too expensive. Don't buy it and spread the word to your uneducated Friends List on Live.

[Dag-Sabot]

-considering how well that ludicrous horse armor sold, you might have an uphill battle ahead of you.

[dr_wily]

guess ill wait for the GOTY edition with this included.

[MSUStud911]

I wanna say I won't buy this, but the co-op missions are the best part of GRAW and I've been dying to play the new ones with by buddies. Yeah, it's way more expensive than I thought it'd be (I figured 400 points which in hindsight was retarded) but damnit, I still want the maps.

[Sense Field]

I just can't buy this...I want it so bad but I can't. I can't let them think that four new maps are worth $15. So I will sadly be passing. Sorry guys if these maps are being used in tuesday night graw I will not be participating anymore. A standard must be set. One that I thought PDZ had set with their 4 maps for 6 bucks. Greed is such a downer.

[Goronmon]

I'll pass unfortunately.

[bean19]

Evidently $15 isn't that much for enthusiasts. . . which is who they are targeting I guess. Personally, I hate tactical shooters.

[AbiosiS]

For $15 I damn well better get some achievements to go along with the new coop campaign.

[Grifter]

/Rant
/stands on soap box

Don't take this personally but:
I know most gamers are gonna whine and cry over almost everything and for some reason they think that the world owes them but I was just wondering if any of you have any clue what it takes to model and build new levels, skins and weapons. If I was a dev and saw shit like this I would tell you all to go fuck yourselves. You all sound like a bunch of spoiled 10 year old little girls who didn't get that extra clothes pack for her barbies on her birthday. Who the fuck cares if 5 years ago this would have been free, you assholes want the best graphics, A.I., controls, sound and game play your gonna have to realize sooner or later you have to pay. A couple of years ago a complete level with all the lighting and texture work could be thrown together in a day or two, now it takes weeks or even months depending on the graphic quality.

I completely understand the Horse Armor issue and maybe even a couple of the issues people had with the first two Oblivion expansions but complaining about an expansive multiplayer add on for an incredible game is going overboard. These guys bust their asses creating this shit so you can enjoy more of a game you like and you bitch about having to pay them. You all come of as a bunch of self righteous pricks, if you can't afford don't buy it but considering the skill it takes to develop the modern game and the time and money spent on it VS the amount they make back on it and the way you guys bitch I am surprised the Game industry even exists. Now in my opinion being that I am not a fan of multi-player I wish there were a few single player levels but since there is not I won't be purchasing it.

/steps off soap box
/Rant

P.S. If this is something they threw together in a matter of days or had it ready before G.R.A.W. went gold then fuck'em in the eye, fuck'em in the eye with a giant sharpened stick.

[Zulu107]

Yes, that is kinda pricey but what the hell, I'll get it also. Will be need another card after this :eek:

[IRONGUSTAV]

I just can't buy this...I want it so bad but I can't. I can't let them think that four new maps are worth $15. So I will sadly be passing. Sorry guys if these maps are being used in tuesday night graw I will not be participating anymore. A standard must be set. One that I thought PDZ had set with their 4 maps for 6 bucks. Greed is such a downer.


i received 10 messages from live friends,this news are getting very bad buzz,we need to spread this to our live friends

do not buy this

[IRONGUSTAV]

/Rant
/stands on soap box

Don't take this personally but:
I know most gamers are gonna whine and cry over almost everything and for some reason they think that the world owes them but I was just wondering if any of you have any clue what it takes to model and build new levels, skins and weapons. If I was a dev and saw shit like this I would tell you all to go fuck yourselves. You all sound like a bunch of spoiled 10 year old little girls who didn't get that extra clothes pack for her barbies on her birthday. Who the fuck cares if 5 years ago this would have been free, you assholes want the best graphics, A.I., controls, sound and game play your gonna have to realize sooner or later you have to pay. A couple of years ago a complete level with all the lighting and texture work could be thrown together in a day or two, now it takes weeks or even months depending on the graphic quality.

I completely understand the Horse Armor issue and maybe even a couple of the issues people had with the first two Oblivion expansions but complaining about an expansive multiplayer add on for an incredible game is going overboard. These guys bust their asses creating this shit so you can enjoy more of a game you like and you bitch about having to pay them. You all come of as a bunch of self righteous pricks, if you can't afford don't buy it but considering the skill it takes to develop the modern game and the time and money spent on it VS the amount they make back on it and the way you guys bitch I am surprised the Game industry even exists. Now in my opinion being that I am not a fan of multi-player I wish there were a few single player levels but since there is not I won't be purchasing it.

/steps off soap box
/Rant


sorry dude

the pc one ( a lot cheaper) got this FOR FUCKING FREE yesterday

* Multiplayer gets down and dirty as the Deathmatch (DM) game type has been added to the game, along with 3 brand new DM maps! Industrial, Suburbs and Hollow
* Additional co-op levels
* Multiplayer map Editor has been added
* Fully dedicated servers now available for GRAW PC
* Multiple upgrades and optimizations

FUCKING FREE

not only live users pay 60 euros ( on germany) to use a user to user service ,pay 70 euros for the fucking game,and u tell me some maps ( reused ones) some camo skins,and some modifications on the weapons are 15 bucks?

sorry dude,but no.no fucking way

[DeadScreenSky]

Hell, I paid less for Summit Strike at release, and that had way more content. This is expansion pack price for a booster pack.

[rainbowblack]

man, i regret trading GRAW in

but it WAS for oblivion

[Heretic Machine]

I think I figured out why they don't have more Arcade games up... See, you could buy about three arcade games for the price of this map pack, and so if there were a bunch up that you wanted to play you probably wouldn't invest in this. Four maps vs a whole new game? It'd be no contest. As it is, there are only a hand full of good Arcade games out right now, so most people who will buy content off the marketplace readily will already own those games.

[Reanimated]

I wouldn't buy it anyway, because GRAW's multiplayer is shit - stupid SOCOM clone - but this is a crazy price for that crap. Especially when you consider they put it out for free on the PC. WTF?

[*Legion*]

because GRAW's multiplayer is shit - stupid SOCOM clone

I wish. SOCOM has multiplayer game modes a lot more inventive than CTF and "squat in the arbitrary box"

[Grifter]

sorry dude

the pc one ( a lot cheaper) got this FOR FUCKING FREE yesterday

* Multiplayer gets down and dirty as the Deathmatch (DM) game type has been added to the game, along with 3 brand new DM maps! Industrial, Suburbs and Hollow
* Additional co-op levels
* Multiplayer map Editor has been added
* Fully dedicated servers now available for GRAW PC
* Multiple upgrades and optimizations

FUCKING FREE

not only live users pay 60 euros ( on germany) to use a user to user service ,pay 70 euros for the fucking game,and u tell me some maps ( reused ones) some camo skins,and some modifications on the weapons are 15 bucks?

sorry dude,but no.no fucking way

I stand corrected, that is fucked up.

I still think that these devs deserve the money. The more advanced these games become the harder they are to create and between the publishers, used game sales, rentals and piracey(sp?) I think these guys deserve to be able to put out a quality expansion and ask a premium price. Where I would have a serious issue is if we started to see things like this from the same dev on a monthly bases for the same price. What that would tell me is that "this shit is easy and we are gonna milk this shit" I just really wish we had a better understanding of the work it takes to create a AAA modern game.

[f1sh3r]

/Rant
/stands on soap box

Don't take this personally but:
I know most gamers are gonna whine and cry over almost everything and for some reason they think that the world owes them but I was just wondering if any of you have any clue what it takes to model and build new levels, skins and weapons. If I was a dev and saw shit like this I would tell you all to go fuck yourselves. You all sound like a bunch of spoiled 10 year old little girls who didn't get that extra clothes pack for her barbies on her birthday. Who the fuck cares if 5 years ago this would have been free, you assholes want the best graphics, A.I., controls, sound and game play your gonna have to realize sooner or later you have to pay. A couple of years ago a complete level with all the lighting and texture work could be thrown together in a day or two, now it takes weeks or even months depending on the graphic quality.

I completely understand the Horse Armor issue and maybe even a couple of the issues people had with the first two Oblivion expansions but complaining about an expansive multiplayer add on for an incredible game is going overboard. These guys bust their asses creating this shit so you can enjoy more of a game you like and you bitch about having to pay them. You all come of as a bunch of self righteous pricks, if you can't afford don't buy it but considering the skill it takes to develop the modern game and the time and money spent on it VS the amount they make back on it and the way you guys bitch I am surprised the Game industry even exists. Now in my opinion being that I am not a fan of multi-player I wish there were a few single player levels but since there is not I won't be purchasing it.

/steps off soap box
/Rant

P.S. If this is something they threw together in a matter of days or had it ready before G.R.A.W. went gold then fuck'em in the eye, fuck'em in the eye with a giant sharpened stick.

so uh, you're saying it took 1/4 of the time to do the 4 new maps as it took to make the entire game?

this is garbage. the game costs 60 bucks which is too much too begin with, but it's xbox 360 so they can charge what they want. whatever. then to charge 15 on top of that for 4 maps? arrogance, period.

I still think that these devs deserve the money. The more advanced these games become the harder they are to create and between the publishers, used game sales, rentals and piracey(sp?) I think these guys deserve to be able to put out a quality expansion and ask a premium price. Where I would have a serious issue is if we started to see things like this from the same dev on a monthly bases for the same price. What that would tell me is that "this shit is easy and we are gonna milk this shit" I just really wish we had a better understanding of the work it takes to create a AAA modern game.

sure they deserve something, but not 15 bucks. this isn't an expansion, it's 4 extra maps. halo 2 is a million times more popular, how much were the halo 2 map packs? oh wait they were free if you had patience 5 bucks if you wanted them early? if that? when they put out a full expansion then they can talk about 15 bucks. do you think it's going to stop here? if this sells do you think they are going to just say "hey let's not put out anymore map packs!" hell not even the oblivion guys have the balls to charge so much for "expansions" and people are so addicted to that game they'd probably pay it.

[Random Seed]

P.S. If this is something they threw together in a matter of days or had it ready before G.R.A.W. went gold then fuck'em in the eye, fuck'em in the eye with a giant sharpened stick.


Ya. It doesn't have any of that magical AI or audio or anything else that would cost almost the price for a full expansion pack, it has some new coop maps and they turned the light switch on a few other maps. I'm not against being able to get some sweet new single player missions for games I love and the like, but $15 for THIS,... they can fuck a duck. And also the problem with people "crying" about the price isn't going from free to having to pay. It's going from free to paying out the ass for pictures that took them 20 seconds to crop/copy/paste, and things like this pack. If the game was 60 bucks and this pack is 15, you're telling me that is a fair fucking price?

[IRONGUSTAV]

I stand corrected, that is fucked up.

I still think that these devs deserve the money. The more advanced these games become the harder they are to create and between the publishers, used game sales, rentals and piracey(sp?) I think these guys deserve to be able to put out a quality expansion and ask a premium price. Where I would have a serious issue is if we started to see things like this from the same dev on a monthly bases for the same price. What that would tell me is that "this shit is easy and we are gonna milk this shit" I just really wish we had a better understanding of the work it takes to create a AAA modern game.


hey brother,i have understanding of the work it takes to create a game,i have a lot of friends on rockstar,on ubi and other companies,15 bucks for 4 maps its a rip off no matter how u look at it

and that shit its not that hard,relight maps? wtf,2 camos? (very easy to do) modify weapons? man i have sees FREE mods on pc with a lot of work on it
tell me why the pc ones are free? this whole pay for everthing shit is getting out of control,whats next? paying for demos?

[dena miscreant]

Why, oh WHY is it FREE on PC and NOT on 360????

Because we get the third-person view on 360 and PC doesn't?

That doesn't sound fair...

Maybe if this was 5 dollars, I wouldn't care, but for 15 dollars PC users better get nothing and I better get a look sensitivity option for my right-analog and the ability to go back to the list of servers I searched for instead of searching all over again, which can take, like, minutes.

EDIT: I take it back, even if it WAS 5 dollars, if PC users still got it for FREE I'd still be very, very angry.

I love co-op! I love the fact that a silenced sniper rifle is now available (I'm a Marksman)! I hate the fact that I have to pay out the ass for it.

[MSUStud911]

Has anyone actually tried to purchase this? I was just on Live and I can't find it on Marketplace anywhere.

[Roc Ingersol]

I still think that these devs deserve the money.
Deserve?

what that shit is that?
They 'deserve' 1200 points like I 'deserve' a fuckin double lapdance from Salma Hayek and Monnica Belucci.

If either of us wants that shit to ever happen, we're gonna have to pony up somethin more on our end of the deal.


And try not to frame it as 'devs'.
That comes across as either awfully naive or shamelessly disingenuous.

[mightbe]

I'm buying it.

I still need to do the coop missions.

The PC version of GRAW is a completely different game.

Lots of haters in this thread.

I can't find it on live. Maybe it's someplace with the Prey demo and they're making out.

[dena miscreant]

Deserve?

what that shit is that?
They 'deserve' 1200 points like I 'deserve' a fuckin double lapdance from Salma Hayek and Monnica Belucci.

If either of us wants that shit to ever happen, we're gonna have to pony up somethin more on our end of the deal.


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[Sl1pstream]

Whatever...I bought it. I need new coop stuff.

[IRONGUSTAV]

I'm buying it.


Lots of haters in this thread.

.


and lot of moroons who will buy anything a big corporation will put at abusive prices

[Bargash]

I don't understand the hubbub over all things marketplace. In the long term economics will do its work and set a price of these items. In the meantime I will not be buying this because I'd rather play BF2.

[IRONGUSTAV]

I don't understand the hubbub over all things marketplace. In the long term economics will do its work and set a price of these items. In the meantime I will not be buying this because I'd rather play BF2.


dude im not againt the marketplace,its normal to charge money for extra stuff..but mother of jesus.15 fucking bucks 1/4 of the entire game for just 4 new maps,some relit ones and shitty stuff?

[Tel Prydain]

Good lord, people – You’d have thought that Microsoft had just shot your Grandma the way you’ll are carrying on. It’s a bit costly, but I’ll buy it because it is worth the $NZD20 bucks to me. If it’s not worth that much for you, just don’t buy it.
And compared to the other ‘DLC’ this is about the right price.

To say it’s “just four maps” is rubbish. Four new maps, expanded co-op mode (albeit on aforementioned new maps), relit maps (which makes a HUGE difference), four new guns, four new faces, two new uniforms = 1200pts.
Compare this to Perfect Dark – JUST four maps, 500pts.
Or Kameo - Skins, 200pts
Or Call Of Duty 2 - two maps, 400pts

Once there are a lot more games (and hence more competition) the prices should settle down. Until then it’s pointless to start ranting just because another developer follows a pre-existing trend.

[Random Seed]

Until then it’s pointless to start ranting just because another developer follows a pre-existing trend.

Or people can make comments with the comment feature because that is what it's there for. I don't see how people bitching about something is any different than someone bitching about people bitching about something.

[bapenguin]

This is NOT the same as what came out on the PC.

The PC got 3 new DM maps. That's it. They fixed coop in 3 missions that it was broken in and added anti-cheat as well as an editor.

Not justifying the cost at all..but just saying....it's not the same at all.

[Demo_Boy]

A bit more expensive than expected, think four new co-op maps are worth it?[/QUOTE]

I was thinking about $12. Canadian.

[Lon Lon Rabbit]

I doubt I would have bought it so quickly if I didn't get the main game for cheap, but I want those achievements/new coop/silenced sniper. I just downloaded it and tried to boot it up, GRAW patched itself when I put it in but there's no sign of the damn new content anywhere. I'm gonna download it again (getting close to my bandwidth limit cos of this, it's a 700mb file) and hope for the best.

Frustrating.

EDIT: The download is now sitting and not moving from 1%. Yay.

EDIT 2: It stayed on 1% for 15 mins or so before giving me the message "Can't Download Tom Clancy's GRAW Chapter 2". So now I am not playing something I just payed $15 for, with the reason being "because I can't". Anyone know anything about what's going on? I left my Xbox alone during the first download so this is probably what happened the first time too.

I hope it's just busy with traffic so I'll try again in an hour or two.

[digitalErich]

To say it’s “just four maps” is rubbish. Four new maps, expanded co-op mode (albeit on aforementioned new maps), relit maps (which makes a HUGE difference), four new guns, four new faces, two new uniforms = 1200pts.
Compare this to Perfect Dark – JUST four maps, 500pts.
Or Kameo - Skins, 200pts
Or Call Of Duty 2 - two maps, 400pts

You're argument assumes the other examples you listed each constitute a good value.

[GodFather]

The other reason why Im so against this is the fact that the maps are the same but just "relit" If your going to charge premium prices then give us more premium content, for instance how bout brand new maps with this instead of relit ones? That just doesnt warrent a $15 purchase.

[Lon Lon Rabbit]

After about 7 or 8 hours of trying, I finally have it downloaded and working. I just tried to get into a co op game with a new map, sat in the lobby for 20 minutes then dropped as the next round started...

Maybe I'll have better luck with the next one...

[Tempest261]

Man it's a great day to be a PC gamer. Content like this has ALWAYS been free for PC games. Devs have traditionally made it so that it shows support for their game, and people who didn't have the game would then purchase it. No stupid microtransactions (which, I might add, also fragment the multiplayer community) to deal with. And honestly, this has worked on me. I will now go out and buy this game. Might get a copy for my dad as well.

The other reason why it's free on the PC side is because PC gamers simply wouldn't put up with that shit, and they know it. For whatever reason, XB360 owners just roll over and take it when it comes to multiplayer-anything (hell they also roll over and take it for the $60 games period). I cannot believe, that despite already paying a MONTHLY FEE just to get matchmaking, that XB360 owners are PAYING MONEY for these things, and don't get me started aobut the stupid UI skins and gamer icons. I have a feeling that Ubi had no choice, and that MS is taking a good amount of that $15 for bandwidth and other fees.

I'm no Sony lover, but I sincerely hope they get their act together by Fall so MS has some actual online competition. This stuff (including the actual matchmaking service) SHOULD be free for everyone, and I can't honestly purchase a piece of hardware that has $60 games and a pay-to-play service like Live (that only milks you for more money). $60 game + $50/year + $15 expansion?? No thanks.

[51|RandoM]

I'd just like to thank the xbox360 community for subsidizing my PC gaming habit.

[BabyJesus]

I don't know what you folks are bitching about, if you don't want it and its too expensive in your opinion, just don't buy it.

[Lon Lon Rabbit]

Errr, as has been mentioned several times, the "content" the PC GRAW community received was vastly different to the content in question here. It was much more akin to a patch than an expansion.

[Kelegacy]

I don't know what you folks are bitching about, if you don't want it and its too expensive in your opinion, just don't buy it.
They are worried about the repercussions it could have on their hobby if many others buy it. Which they will.

[Lon Lon Rabbit]

Well I've not had much game time yet on account of the constant drops (which I didn't have BEFORE the expansion) but of the little I've played it's been good. The new sniper rifle is awesome and the new maps are huge and a lot of fun. The relit versions really do feel very different, but it seems like the achievements aren't up yet. I can't see them listed on any sites/gamecards and I didn't get one after finishing one of the new missions.

[mightbe]

Errr, as has been mentioned several times, the "content" the PC GRAW community received was vastly different to the content in question here. It was much more akin to a patch than an expansion.

And... they are two completely different games. I feel like I'm surrounded by halfwits when I try to convey this message.

Thanks for adding clarification good information, Lon Lon!