DS Lite Mystery Theater: Do games know the difference?

[pseudopseudo]

A reader of 4 Color Rebellion (http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2006/06/11/ds-games-respond-to-ds-lite-hardware/) recently found some differences between his games when booting them up on a regular DS and a DS Lite. Could this mean hidden stuff in the DS games you thought you were done with?

A shared experience:

Armed with my Phat DS and DS lite, I booted MKDS with both portables. On the original DS, Mario welcomed me with “Yahoo!” and some engine sounds, as usual. But on the DS lite, Mario changes his greeting to a familiar “Here we go!”.

Is it possible that within the past couple of years Nintendo knew this day was coming, and packed some extra goodies into the games? We can only hope.

[bapenguin]

Is it possible that within the past couple of years Nintendo knew this day was coming, and packed some extra goodies into the games? We can only hope.

Of course they knew, Nintendo is the master of milking money.

[Kamalot]

How is adding "yahoo" to one game and "here we go" to another considered, "Milking Money?"

[alienchild]

...and then he realized that the message was a random between 4-5 different messages, which by he shut off the DS's and went off to fuck himself.

[drakkarim]

if "yahoo" to "here we go" constitutes an extra "goody" then i feel sorry for the gaming consumer these days.

[Nameback]

Can someone lay out the diffrences in between the Regular and Lite? Other then this I mean

[Kamalot]

I noticed this difference too between the DS Lite and the DS 'fatty'. My video is awaiting approval on Google.

I am more curious to see what other games know the difference between DS Lite and DS 'fatty'. I believe some games on the GBA let users switch between different color schemes to optimize the game for different handhelds. For example, the backlight in the SP showed colors differently than the original GBA. Perhaps devs will develop this functionality in the game. If the game determines you are on a DS lite, it may balance the colors to appear a bit different.

[NeuroMan42]

If "yahoo" to "here we go" constitutes an extra "goody" then i feel sorry for the gaming consumer these days.

Agreed. Of course the gaming consumer is used to eating crap anyway. ;)

[bapenguin]

How is adding "yahoo" to one game and "here we go" to another considered, "Milking Money?"

That's not.

The question was, "did Nintendo know this day was coming in the past couple of years?" And my answer was yes because they are the master of milking money.

[Kamalot]

That's not.

The question was, "did Nintendo know this day was coming in the past couple of years?" And my answer was yes because they are the master of milking money.
I see. Not only milking, but masters at it. If only Nintendo could take it to the next level by selling movies in a special format for the DS, or charging me every month to play the DS online... :rolleyes:

[Kefkataran]

A couple years? Wasn't Mario Kart DS just released last fall? Like less than a year ago? eh, whatever. What does a freaking change in phrase matter.

[Blade]

It doesn't. It's just a prelude to more unlockable goodies. </falsehope>

[bapenguin]

I see. Not only milking, but masters at it. If only Nintendo could take it to the next level by selling movies in a special format for the DS, or charging me every month to play the DS online... :rolleyes:

Take off the blinders man, Nintendo hit the pinnacle of milking when they charged 25 bucks for classic NES titles on the GBA.

I fell victim to it, friggin Zelda and SMB.

[Kamalot]

Take off the blinders man, Nintendo hit the pinnacle of milking when they charged 25 bucks for classic NES titles on the GBA.

I fell victim to it, friggin Zelda and SMB.
Ha! *ahem* sorry man. Who is the one with the blinders?

I didn't buy any of the GBA releases of classic games. That's silly. $35. Ha!

[Grimgrock]

Can someone lay out the diffrences in between the Regular and Lite? Other then this I mean

http://www.nintendo.com/newsarticle?articleid=-RJgCcXPmtM5aXxTCr3Z1GyPAnLUdlYt

[Kelegacy]

My trousers fit too tight in the front.

[bapenguin]

Ha! *ahem* sorry man. Who is the one with the blinders?

I didn't buy any of the GBA releases of classic games. That's silly. $35. Ha!

You're the one saying Nintendo doesn't milk their customers.

[Kamalot]

You're the one saying Nintendo doesn't milk their customers.
Woah woah! I didn't argue with you. Nintendo came out with Pokemon, you know, "Gotta catch 'em all". That entire franchise is designed around collecting 'stuff', all of which comes from Nintendo.

You gotta use your own head sometimes and ask yourself if you really need to catch 'em all. Do you really need an old mario game for $35? Maybe $5, yeah. But $35 for an NES game is crazy!

[joruussuun]

I say this everytime... but didn't the Classic NES games come out for $19.99? Everyone is saying $25 or $35... but I could swear when I bought Zelda and SMB they were $20 each?

[jeffool]

Is it possible that within the past couple of years Nintendo knew this day was coming, and packed some extra goodies into the games? We can only hope.Actually, I'm hoping 'not'. Having new capabilities in the new DS itself (like a webbrowser) make good sense. But having new capabilities locked away in games that users can't access unless the toss out another hundred bucks to re-buy your console? That's shit, dude.

[bapenguin]

I say this everytime... but didn't the Classic NES games come out for $19.99? Everyone is saying $25 or $35... but I could swear when I bought Zelda and SMB they were $20 each?

I think they came out at $35 bucks. And later got reduced. I'm pretty sure I paid 25 for a USED SMB because I didn't want to pay full price for the new ones.

[Kamalot]

Actually, I'm hoping 'not'. Having new capabilities in the new DS itself (like a webbrowser) make good sense. But having new capabilities locked away in games that users can't access unless the toss out another hundred bucks to re-buy your console? That's shit, dude.Well, the only reason you should be upset is if you like your DS 'Fatty' and REALLY NEED to hear mario say, "here we go" instead of "yahoo".

Otherwise, it isn't worth getting upset over.

[joruussuun]

I must crazy then... cause I know I picked up those classic ones on Day One.

[Tohoya]

It's certainly plausible. That's how the GBC was able to add limited color to old Game Boy games; the old games were programmed with a small color pallete in case such a device arrived.

[bapenguin]

I must crazy then... cause I know I picked up those classic ones on Day One.

After some research there's a few things I found out.

The Japanese releases were slightly more expensive.
The US Releases came out at $20
The US Releases were limited, therefore the preowned versions have been going for more than the new versions in some cases.

[Adam Blue]

Unless this is confirmed, I doubt any of this is true.

Asking for the differences? It's kind of sad if you don't know at this point...

[joruussuun]

After some research there's a few things I found out.
...
The US Releases came out at $20
...
I knew it! Thanks Bap... now I can cancel my appointment with the nice men in white coats.
(I knew I wasn't crazy... all the voices in my head told me so!)

[Kefkataran]

Well, the only reason you should be upset is if you like your DS 'Fatty' and REALLY NEED to hear mario say, "here we go" instead of "yahoo".

Otherwise, it isn't worth getting upset over.

It potentially is if there's other actual unlockables or differences that could become apparant in subsequent releases. But that doesn't appear to be the case yet at least, thankfully.

[jacktion]

Wait, doesn't MKDS just cycle between random phrases? Is this story even true? Can we get some verification up in here?

[benig]

I think they came out at $35 bucks. And later got reduced. I'm pretty sure I paid 25 for a USED SMB because I didn't want to pay full price for the new ones.This is straight up not true. You got ripped off or are lying. The GBA NES Classics have been $19.99 since they were released. They have recently gone down to sub-$9.99 levels new.

[bapenguin]

This is straight up not true. You got ripped off or are lying. The GBA NES Classics have been $19.99 since they were released. They have recently gone down to sub-$9.99 levels new.

Did you read my other post?

[Kefkataran]

I'm with Jacktion, I don't have MKDS and would like some confirmation as to whether this is even accurate at all.

[benig]

Did you read my other post?
Yeah, after the fact. my bad.

[benig]

This is accurate. It is a different sound.

[Kamalot]

Wait, doesn't MKDS just cycle between random phrases? Is this story even true? Can we get some verification up in here?
It is true. I have verified it myself.

[Ajguy]

It's certainly plausible. That's how the GBC was able to add limited color to old Game Boy games; the old games were programmed with a small color pallete in case such a device arrived.

Actually this is incorrect. The GBC/GBA had prebuilt color pallettes. The GB used four shades of gray and the GBC would apply a color to one of those shades, and different colors would go depending if the sprite being rendered was animated or part of a static image (backgrounds). When you turn on a GBC/GBA you can push the directional buttons with combinations of A and B to select different color pallettes. Some games did have special color programming for the Super Gameboy released for the SNES, but no Gameboy hardware ever utilized it.

[Bone]

I think it's just a random phrase, but I'll have to check. I'm pretty sure I've heard Mario say "Here We Go!" and I've got the DS Fat.

Either way, I don't care. The DS has been out since, what, late 2004? We already know Nintendo puts out new handhelds every 1.7 years or so. If they decide to add new functionality to it, why complain?

[Zurik]

So the real question is should you buy a DS Lite, or just wait the extra year for the next revised version? I was kinda annoyed when I bought a GBA and then they released the SP right after. I really like the Lite though, its hard to resist.

[Twinkie]

Actually this is incorrect. The GBC/GBA had prebuilt color pallettes. The GB used four shades of gray and the GBC would apply a color to one of those shades, and different colors would go depending if the sprite being rendered was animated or part of a static image (backgrounds). When you turn on a GBC/GBA you can push the directional buttons with combinations of A and B to select different color pallettes. Some games did have special color programming for the Super Gameboy released for the SNES, but no Gameboy hardware ever utilized it.
Actually, when the GBC first came out there were some games that worked on both devices. They looked like the old grey games, but in a black casing instead. They'd run in black&white in a Gameboy, or in color in a GBC. I used to have Dragon Warrior 1&2 which was like that.

[Kelegacy]

So the real question is should you buy a DS Lite, or just wait the extra year for the next revised version? I was kinda annoyed when I bought a GBA and then they released the SP right after. I really like the Lite though, its hard to resist.
I'd say buy the Lite. I can't imagine what else they can do to improve the Lite. I was a little peeved after I bought my DS because a week or so later they announced the DS Lite after a month of denying rumors. This was in January or so.

[Bone]

The lesson Kel learned is: buy Nintendo handhelds EARLY, so you have 1.7 years before they become overshadowed by a sexier, smaller version.

[Lizard Dude]

I believe this is actually checking the firmware version or something because the "Here we go" can be heard on the red DS Phats.

[inmostlight]

I'd say buy the Lite. I can't imagine what else they can do to improve the Lite. I was a little peeved after I bought my DS because a week or so later they announced the DS Lite after a month of denying rumors. This was in January or so.

This is one of the reasons I've never actually bought a Nintendo handheld. It seems like every time I start to think about it, they announce a whole new model so I decide to wait. Then that one comes out and for whatever reason I don't buy it right away, then it starts to sound good for the price....and then they announce a newer model.

[donkeydrop]

I see. Not only milking, but masters at it. If only Nintendo could take it to the next level by selling movies in a special format for the DS, or charging me every month to play the DS online... :rolleyes:

You've never seen the videos Nintendo sells for GBA/DS? The ones that sell for $20 for a 30 min cartoon; now that's real value compared to a full length UMD movie for the same price or less. And as for monthly charges, PSP doesnt have those either (and no gimpy friend codes either), so I guess you're comparing to Xbox. Let's see $5 a month for all of XBL versus, what was it, $8.95 per month for the single Gamecube game that was online lol :rolleyes:

[31 Flavas]

This is one of the reasons I've never actually bought a Nintendo handheld. It seems like every time I start to think about it, they announce a whole new model so I decide to wait. Then that one comes out and for whatever reason I don't buy it right away, then it starts to sound good for the price....and then they announce a newer model.So just buy early. The DS lite was just release so buy it now and ENJOY. There are lots of great games for it.

If you say your going to wait... well then you'll probably have to kick yourself because either a new color will come out, or Nintendo drops the price, or even releases another model.

[MagicAlex]

You've never seen the videos Nintendo sells for GBA/DS? The ones that sell for $20 for a 30 min cartoon; now that's real value compared to a full length UMD movie for the same price or less. And as for monthly charges, PSP doesnt have those either (and no gimpy friend codes either), so I guess you're comparing to Xbox. Let's see $5 a month for all of XBL versus, what was it, $8.95 per month for the single Gamecube game that was online lol :rolleyes:

You mean Phantasy Star Online? Which was made by Sega? None of Nintendo's online games require a subscription, just a wi-fi connection.

[donkeydrop]

You mean Phantasy Star Online? Which was made by Sega? None of Nintendo's online games require a subscription, just a wi-fi connection.

lol you mean you think Nintendo would charge nothing, if they had any online console games, which they DON'T. And no-one charges for online with handhelds, so exactly how is this better than anyone else :eek:

[Lizard Dude]

Let's see $5 a month for all of XBL versus, what was it, $8.95 per month for the single Gamecube game that was online lol :rolleyes:

In all fairness, PSO was MMOish, hence the subscription fee. Can you play FFIX for $5 a month on XBL?