Elderscrolls V discussion

[Hennecke]

Now that it has been confirmed (www.elderscrolls.com). I wanted to ask you, what does you guys expect?

I hope they will use some of the fallout mechanics, how awesome would it be to play oblivion where you can chop of limps and stuff^^

http://www.thegamingreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/skyrim-300x300.jpg

[Anenome]

I've seen the reveal video on the site before so I assume this isn't new.

I think we're all gonna play this at some point.

[Meusli]

I hope for no more Oblivion gates type levels and the animation to be sorted out. I also hope that I have a decent PC to play it straight away as last time it took 2 years before I saw it in all it's glory. Apart from that more of the same, I do enjoy Bethesda's story lines.

[randir14]

I'll just link this article since I agree with everything in it
http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/12/30/15-things-we-want-to-see-in-the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/

[Hennecke]

I've seen the reveal video on the site before so I assume this isn't new.

I think we're all gonna play this at some point.

No it isn't new but still no thread on the forum, just thought I wanted to start the discussion^^

I think that the list point out some of the core things I want to see in the new elderscrolls as well. A problem I see, would be the world being to small, Cyradill was Ok size wise but it could be larger.

[laggerific]

They touched on this concept in a few of the points in that link from randir14, but they need to make the game unique and interesting...fluff for fluffs sake does not make your game better. More dungeons does not make me happy when they are all lame and at my level. One of the best things about Ultima 7 was the exploration and discovering things that weren't specific to your quests, but oddities as one might find in real life. I mean, if you are going to go through all the trouble of creating this engine and this rich world, why waste your time filling it with drivel.

Another thing touched on in the link, but they need to make their universe make more consistent sense. I mean, the different magic types referred to can make sense in the way that mages and sorcerers get their magic in different ways, from different sources. I'm just seconding his point...

And finally, as part of the go ahead to start something like ESV they should be forced to build a deep, stat and dice driven, turn-based, party-based CRPG with something like the budget of Ultima 7, in tandem. Then to ensure that your hard work isn't for naught when your team is disbanded for creating a buggy piece of non-playable awesomeness (think Temple of Elemental Evil), you farm out your code to the community so they can patch it while you focus on more quality content! Seriously, this model would have saved Troika, no doubt.

The problem with the RPGs I'd really like to see is that they are really deep, and currently non-traditional, and while they have a voracious fanbase, it isn't nearly the mass market that games like Oblivion and Fallout 3 appeal to. But that doesn't mean these "niche" markets (as the money folk view them) aren't valid or worth investing in. It just means, you have to do it smarter.

That said, I don't expect that ESV will break Bethesda's tradition of making mind-numbingly open and generic games.

I apologize for my rant, the state of CRPGs these days has me fuming.

[Suicidal ShiZuru]

Considering how bad Oblivion was, after the first few hours of wow factor wore off, I could not care less about this.

[lockwoodx]

My computer (nor my social life) couldn't handle oblivion when it was released and years later I got a game of the year off steam cheap. Needless to say even with multiple mods the game was so mind-numbingly dull I went back to fallout 3. (which at the time had just been released)

Edit: I have little interest in the new elder scrolls title, just its engine.

[Syl]

I think the same thing about this that I think with all Bethesda releases.

Bring on the mods!

[Herald42]

I hope their new engine has the tech not to make faces look like asses.

[Agnostic Pope]

I'll get it if it's half as good as Morrowind was. Or when a Elder Scrolls game goes to the other side of the planet or a place that isn't again Europe.

[Anenome]

Please no Patrick Stewart this time.

Seriously.

Love the guy, but I'd rather you spent money hiring writers.

[Agnostic Pope]

Hahahahaha dude you are going the land of the NORDS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_Age), a great story should be THE last thing to expect if you are playing this game. I can see rape and pillage already...AND YOU HAVE TO STOP THEM AND A GIANT MONSTER OMG.

[Anenome]

None of that precludes great story.

[Capt_Thad]

Nords are the coolest of the main races in the ES universe. Think that implies that have the coolest story potential. :cool: Think you're thinking of the orcs.

[Agnostic Pope]

Nords are the dumbest bunch of humans in The Elder Scrolls it has been disputed that even Orcs have a higher IQ than them.

[randir14]

Scans, poor quality though:
http://twitpic.com/3nwxb2
http://twitpic.com/3nwzem
http://twitpic.com/3nx16h
http://twitpic.com/3nx2cc
http://twitpic.com/3nx3es
http://twitpic.com/3nx7m4
http://twitpic.com/3nx7xj

[Capt_Thad]

Nords are the dumbest bunch of humans in The Elder Scrolls it has been disputed that even Orcs have a higher IQ than them.

Your face is the dumbest bunch of humans in The Elder Scrolls it has been disputed that even Orcs have a higher IQ than them.


Hah!

Nords (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nord) have some cool background stuff, basically (obviously) based off ancient Norse peoples. They might not be the forefront of technology in Tamriel, but they're a pretty well developed society. If you're basing your opinion off of Morrowind lore, then you prolly didn't really get much experience with them. Deal with them a lot more in Oblivion (Bruma), but even that is pretty light. Unless you outright hate Norse mythos, that could be a grounds for discontent.

My main has been a Nord in every game. Basically the combat focus balanced alternative to the magic focus Breton, and I'm always either one or the other. They do have the same base int as Orcs and Redguards, tied for the lowest (30). Since I usually play characters that are heavy on int skills (and build the stat much faster than I would str or end) though, it works out for me. Built-in magic resistances are nice too.


Thanks for the scan links Randir. heh Saves me some trouble.

[Capt_Thad]

I like what they're saying about combat changes and dropping the class system. Rewarding for specialization is something they should've done before. Dunno about perks though, have to see how that goes.

Revamps to the radiant engine for story development sound pretty cool, but that stuff always sounds cool on paper. The "living" part of a living world has always only gone so deep to be barely called superficial. Oblivion was just a radiant prototype though, so they potentially could have made some real leaps. Shame that the first part of that page scan got cut off. :(

[Anenome]

We're all gonna play this, so, like, let's just wait for actual details :P

[randir14]

I like what they're saying about combat changes and dropping the class system. Rewarding for specialization is something they should've done before. Dunno about perks though, have to see how that goes.

Revamps to the radiant engine for story development sound pretty cool, but that stuff always sounds cool on paper. The "living" part of a living world has always only gone so deep to be barely called superficial. Oblivion was just a radiant prototype though, so they potentially could have made some real leaps. Shame that the first part of that page scan got cut off. :(

When it comes to their Radiant stuff I'll take it with a grain of salt. I remember the bullshit video they released about Radiant AI, showing NPCs doing a bunch of cool things which they didn't do when the game came out.

[Capt_Thad]

We're all gonna play this, so, like, let's just wait for actual details :P


...but wild speculation is so much more fun than just waiting. :cool:

[Shane_For_wax]

I have this to say:
Dragonborn, Dragonborn
By his honor is sworn
To keep evil forever at bay
And the fiercest foes rout
When they hear triumph's shout
Dragonborn, for your blessing we pray

And the scrolls have fortold
Of black wings in the cold
That, when brothers wage war, come unfurled
Alduin, bane of kings
Ancient shadow unbound
With a hunger to swallow the world

[randir14]

Here's the theme music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uot4qUQkorw

[Agnostic Pope]

Your face is the dumbest bunch of humans in The Elder Scrolls it has been disputed that even Orcs have a higher IQ than them.


Um are you okay? Geez never seen this side of you. :o Also I have played every single ES game ever made and I have passed them all except for Oblivion. (bored me) When I tell you that nords, (putting it mildly really) are the dumbest bunch of humans in the ES series. They are basically barbarians and take pride in getting drunk for days and going to fight bears afterwords, rape and pillage is also embedded into their society. The best race (warrior wise) are the Redguards, I have no idea why one would pick nords over Redguards (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Redguard). (I just wish Bethesda stopped making such ugly ass redguards hell anybody that isn't white is basicly fugly in their games.:rolleyes:) I have no idea how their desert of a country got blown to hell though.

[Shane_For_wax]

So... liking to fight and getting drunk makes you STUPID? Wow. That's... not a very intelligent debate at all. I could give you about 10 examples of people who loved to fight and drink and were very intelligent to boot. Take an anthropology or history class once in a while.

By the way, they are not just fighters they are also sailors. They are very good in the cold. They are also very spiritual people. They are also martial artists and not just 'barbaric' fighters.

http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nord

As for your insistence that the Redguard are better warriors. Uhm... what Redguards have you been sniffing around, dude? They are better as scouts and the like, not rank and file soldiers. If I was in the military I wouldn't want such a 'warrior' beside me. I'd want him scouting enemy positions but that's about it.

Also, I think that Argonians and Khajiit can be quite nice to look at. I also enjoy the Elves. Particularly Bosmer.

[Hennecke]

Found more news

http://www.community.eu.playstation.com/t5/The-Elder-Scrolls/Elder-Scrolls-V-Skyrim-Level-Scaling-Detailed/m-p/12197329

-not confirmed

[Agnostic Pope]

So... liking to fight and getting drunk makes you STUPID? Wow. That's... not a very intelligent debate at all. I could give you about 10 examples of people who loved to fight and drink and were very intelligent to boot. Take an anthropology or history class once in a while.

By the way, they are not just fighters they are also sailors. They are very good in the cold. They are also very spiritual people. They are also martial artists and not just 'barbaric' fighters.

http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nord

As for your insistence that the Redguard are better warriors. Uhm... what Redguards have you been sniffing around, dude? They are better as scouts and the like, not rank and file soldiers. If I was in the military I wouldn't want such a 'warrior' beside me. I'd want him scouting enemy positions but that's about it.

Also, I think that Argonians and Khajiit can be quite nice to look at. I also enjoy the Elves. Particularly Bosmer.
Er...no I said that is their main focus as they are barbarians that live for the battle, have weird ass names and go running naked in the snow. (berserkers look that shit up)
How old are you?
Is English your first language?
Also what is up with also?
Also didn't... sigh why wouldn't I know everything that is that small paragraph (wiki page) that Thad mentioned before? Considering I pretty much now all things TES related? You think I missed something? These guys are barbarians (duh) and no shit they are "immune" to the cold ...We come from the land of the ice and snow...from the midnight sun where the hot springs blow. :P

[Technidon]

Awwww shit the pope is on point again... On another point I got oblivion when it first came out and thought there was no real fun after the story was done now thats were I can give fallout 3 some props the mutants in DC were fun to pwn. I still have not beat NV yet which to me seems to be a lot more open than FO 3. I just hope I can jump on water on this one like oblivion (getting dumb mobs to follow and drown was great) just my 2.

[brandonjclark]

I LOVED Oblivion (and Morrowind) and will love this.

[Anenome]

Damn, don't mess with AP when it comes to TES, you gets the smackdown >_>

[Capt_Thad]

Um are you okay? Geez never seen this side of you. :o

Was a joke. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=your+face Why so serious? I figured your unfounded position was mostly jokingly sarcastic. If your comment I was mocking was actually serious, then my bad. I have to admit though that I just can't take it seriously. Also, there is a Redguard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Adventures:_Redguard) game. :cool:

[Agnostic Pope]

TES is srs fucking business.

[revelation]

Also, there is a Redguard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Adventures:_Redguard) game. :cool:

I'm pretty sure we're not allowed to talk about the Redguard game.

All I remember is it taking me most of the night to install it, playing it for five minutes then banging my head on the desk after wasting my time installing it.

Fun times!

[Hennecke]

TES is srs fucking business.

Damn right you are

[Shane_For_wax]

Er...no I said that is their main focus as they are barbarians that live for the battle, have weird ass names and go running naked in the snow. (berserkers look that shit up)
How old are you?
Is English your first language?
Also what is up with also?
Also didn't... sigh why wouldn't I know everything that is that small paragraph (wiki page) that Thad mentioned before? Considering I pretty much now all things TES related? You think I missed something? These guys are barbarians (duh) and no shit they are "immune" to the cold ...We come from the land of the ice and snow...from the midnight sun where the hot springs blow. :P


I can see I'll get no intelligent debate from you. Good day.

[randir14]

Article about the new engine, and there is a screenshot
http://www.gameinformer.com/games/the_elder_scrolls_v_skyrim/b/xbox360/archive/2011/01/17/the-technology-behind-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim.aspx

[Anenome]

I can see I'll get no intelligent debate from you. Good day.
But, what I was saying was--
I said GOOD DAY!

[Anenome]

http://i.imgur.com/CWRtb.jpg

[Agnostic Pope]

I was being serious, It was like zep's only original song that talked about the vikings...STFU!

[Syl]

Look at that repeated ROCK TEXTURE!

(Still, looks pretty good)

[MADxMrMike]

I just hope they keep the loot original throughout the game. I remember finding my first cool sword in oblivion and thinking how BA it was and then to only find similar looking shit as I leveled up. Plus the leveling system was so stupid. I never felt truly powerful. I want to own shit man!! Also crafting. Fallout3s schematic system was really cool. imagine it in ES. Searching all over the land trying to find runes, spellbooks, and other items to make a unique and powerful weapon using a "schematic" you found inside some dark, ancient dungeon.

[Capt_Thad]

^Ancient schematic to build a weapon out of shears and bolts of cloth and whatever other nonsense you find laying around? Kinda like that guy trying to build the airship in Shivering Isles.

Smithing might be cool, but I'm solid with just the enchanting and alchemy. Crafting in games is generally too much of a hassle for me to bother with. Working with salvage and needing to rig something together out of nothing in a post-apocalyptic world is one thing, but I'd rather not deal with it in this.

Wouldn't deny someone else the option too though, so long as it didn't screw my guy over to ignore it.

[Agnostic Pope]

You want Morrowind's system and not Oblivion? Makes perfect sense. Fallout 3 though...by level 15 you were basically a god if you did leveled up correctly.

[randir14]

Release date: November 11
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Elder-Scrolls-Skyrim-RAGE-Demon-s-forge-Brink,12091.html

[Meusli]

Release date: November 11
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Elder-Scrolls-Skyrim-RAGE-Demon-s-forge-Brink,12091.html

Something tells me that 11.11.11 is going to be more crowded in releases than any other day in the history of gaming.

[Anenome]

Something tells me that 11.11.11 is going to be more crowded in releases than any other day in the history of gaming.
Did you see how many people got married on 10.10.10? Including my own mother? >_>

[Capt_Thad]

http://www.gameinformer.com/games/the_elder_scrolls_v_skyrim/b/xbox360/archive/2011/01/28/skyrim-menu-system-overhaul.aspx

Info on the overhauled menu system.

[Capt_Thad]

Also, Art of Skyrim interview:

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/01/26/the-art-of-skyrim.aspx

EDIT: GI is going all out with this stuff this month. tech (http://www.gameinformer.com/games/the_elder_scrolls_v_skyrim/b/xbox360/archive/2011/01/17/the-technology-behind-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim.aspx), sound (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/01/14/the-sounds-of-skyrim.aspx), combat (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/01/24/skyrim-building-better-combat.aspx).

More stuff at their ESV hub (http://www.gameinformer.com/p/esv.aspx). GI's writing coverage on it is a little more 360 focused than I'd like though.

[Agnostic Pope]

Finally a REAL overhaul! :) 85 hour playthroughs here we go!

[randir14]

I'm glad they're changing bows, it was stupid in Oblivion firing a dozen or more arrows to kill something.

[Capt_Thad]

I'm glad they're changing bows, it was stupid in Oblivion firing a dozen or more arrows to kill something.

heh Yeah, that was one of the higher points mentioned for me. Stealth combat didn't give near enough of a stealth feel... was like a sneak attack and then either run away firing off arrows or fight head on at a major disadvantage. Breaking aggro wasn't an option unless you modded it, and all the mobs were psychic. Ideal stealth combat for me would feel something like Thief. Hoping they really fix the stealth system.

[lockwoodx]

Look at that repeated ROCK TEXTURE!

(Still, looks pretty good)

Looks like Gothic 3. Hope it doesn't run like Gothic 3.

[randir14]

Some new screenshots, looks like Bethesda has made a real effort to improve character models and faces
http://www.gamereactor.eu/news/6386/Six+new+high-res+Skyrim+shots/

[Agnostic Pope]

I don't even care if this is starting to look like a much bigger civilized "Bloodmoon"...I just want it to sell so that we will have a current gen ES2. (you know the one that lets you play on every single province in the continent that is Tamriel.) Any word on the terrible (or omniscient) guards from Oblivion? I mean you kill a person a mile from any city and people still know you did it? Fucking Oblivion. I hope Skyrim isn't filled with such bullshit. Also did you know Skyrim is fucking small? I wonder how people will react to that. I wonder if Ysmir is still alive...and if he will get back at the "chimer" (lol they no longer exist)

[Hennecke]

Listen to THIS (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/podcasts/archive/2011/02/03/toddhowardse.aspx)

[Anenome]

Any word on the terrible (or omniscient) guards from Oblivion? I mean you kill a person a mile from any city and people still know you did it? Fucking Oblivion.
A wizard did it. >_>

[Technidon]

I just want to jump on water again!!! O and steal beer from the pub.... :D

[Meusli]

Whats missing this time is the wow factor. I can remember seeing screens from Oblivion before it was released and thinking OMG that's beautiful, I hope they impress me in other ways on this one.

[randir14]

Few more new screens, I like the cloudy mountains
http://www.abload.de/img/the_elder_scrolls_5_-_97p3.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/the_elder_scrolls_5_-_m775.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/the_elder_scrolls_5_-_27bs.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/the_elder_scrolls_5_-_87ne.jpg

[Anenome]

Whats missing this time is the wow factor. I can remember seeing screens from Oblivion before it was released and thinking OMG that's beautiful, I hope they impress me in other ways on this one.
They'd have to make an open world with sub-pixel sized voxels to ever impress that much again. Oblivion was a leap for its day. It's not clear that a similar leap is possible anymore. Even stark realism wouldn't be as great a leap from where we are now. At least voxels would bring something new to the table though.

[lost]

Can I confirm quickly, are we calling it Elderscrolls V or Skyrim? Cause Elderscrolls IV just got called Oblivion.

[Anenome]

"Skyrim" is certainly enough.

[Meusli]

Few more new screens, I like the cloudy mountains
http://www.abload.de/img/the_elder_scrolls_5_-_97p3.jpg


That is one fine cod piece.

[lockwoodx]

That is one fine cod piece.

Apparently there will be Tyranids in this game.

[Agnostic Pope]

That be a troll sonny! Er an old world mythological troll. :P

Few more new screens, I like the cloudy mountains
http://www.abload.de/img/the_elder_scrolls_5_-_97p3.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/the_elder_scrolls_5_-_m775.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/the_elder_scrolls_5_-_27bs.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/the_elder_scrolls_5_-_87ne.jpg

About time we fight a fucking dragon.

[Hennecke]

Can I confirm quickly, are we calling it Elderscrolls V or Skyrim? Cause Elderscrolls IV just got called Oblivion.

I would say Skyrim

[Agnostic Pope]

November seems so far away. It seems spears have been taken out of the game. No love for Argonians?

[lost]

Skyrim it is.

[Hennecke]

Yes november are so far away:(

[Anenome]

Yes november are so far away:(
Inorite, Mass Effect 3! n_n
I'm not obsessed, really! So what if I'm planning my third play-through from ME1 because I want to save the Rachni this time because I think we're really, really gonna need help taking out Reapers!!! >_> <_< >_>

Although I do have to say, romancing Miranda was pretty delicious. Probably won't change that decision :P

[Agnostic Pope]

FUCK. I am gonna try NOT to get the Collectors Edition ME3. I got it cheap at launch with ME2 (62 bucks) Maybe I'll use glyde and wait 2 weeks to get a fairer price...but I'd think I would die not playing either game. Thing is...ME3 I believe I'll be able to pass it in 2 days...tops. Skyrim? Not so much.

[Agnostic Pope]

Although I do have to say, romancing Miranda was pretty delicious. Probably won't change that decision :P

She probes your penis though. I am not lying talk to Mordin. In my mind ME1 never existed...and I will never play it (again.) :P BTW have gotten the dominate power yet? Or passed it on the only mode that matters? For shame Anenome! :P

[Hennecke]

there is also, Brink and DA 2

[Anenome]

Meh @ dominate. I need reave. I'm evil with reave, Miranda and --shoot who did I run with usually... well, Jack by the time I got her. Miranda has the perfect collection of powers to complement a vanguard, tbh. Not Jack, I ran with Samara when I got her. Much rather have powers to control over powerless shooters :P Generally. Aimed shot or w/e is okay, I'll still take two characters with mass-lift, reave, slam, and electrical-overload over anything.

I have another reason to run it all again, I waited too long after getting Legion, suffice it to say without spoilers.

And yes, that run-through will be on the hardest diff :> My vanguard tactics are perfected. It's a tactically perfect class that lets you majorly disrupt the battlefield. I love charging the last guy behind everyone else, then catching the enemy in a crossfire between my guys still up there and me. Works like a charm.

What's this about probing???

[Agnostic Pope]

Young grasshopper it does not matter who you chose to accompany you...it all depends on you and how you employ basic tactics to completely annihilate your enemies. If you would have had more confidence since you started the game you would have had beat it on "impossible" (moar like totally possible amirite?) since you got the game.

Also Miranda probes your penis after you stick it into her...Mordin will even warn you about it in his "romantic advice". Something about listening "devices" "Cerberus can plant them anywhere, creative use of mass effect fields." Yeah son...you got your penis probed.
Spoiler

It's funny how she wants kids yet can't have em since she is a clone.

[Anenome]

What makes you think clones can't have children??? What are you talking about? Clones are still fertile unless you specifically disable them. In agriculture, a lot of plants are cloned that have difficulty reproducing, but that doesn't mean they're incapable. Some definitely are incapable, but not all.

Young grasshopper it does not matter who you chose to accompany you...it all depends on you and how you employ basic tactics to completely annihilate your enemies.
I'm talking about min/max'ing. Of course you can win with anyone, just gonna be easier or not with specific characters due to their mix of powers and what class you choose and what that class is good at or not. I'll tell you that with Miranda/Samara I found that to be the best mix because their reave power and lift power works especially well, assuming you evolve it in the proper way.


If you would have had more confidence since you started the game you would have had beat it on "impossible" (moar like totally possible amirite?) since you got the game.
It wasn't about confidence, it was about the small time window I had between winter classes and spring 2011 starting up. As it was, I finished the day before classes started, so I think I did well. Next playthrough will be after I graduate :P

[Agnostic Pope]

Um she is sterile have you seen her info over at the Shadow Broker?

[Capt_Thad]

hey, Make your own ME3 thread and hijack that. Here it's ESV or else.

[Agnostic Pope]

Ok then CAPT_THAD! Let's talk about SKYRIM then! :P

[Anenome]

Um she is sterile have you seen her info over at the Shadow Broker?
I guess not, I'm just saying it's not automatic that all clones are infertile, even if she is.

hey, Make your own ME3 thread and hijack that. Here it's ESV or else.
Look into my dead little eyes!
http://i.imgur.com/r3h8T.jpg