Buffy Season 8 via Dark Horse Comics [Archive]

Everlost_MI

05-23-2006, 08:16 PM

I can't say it any better than ICv2 (http://www.icv2.com) did, so without further ado Buffy fans here's the scoop on season 8... (http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/8719.html)

Buffy the Vampire Slayer creator Joss Whedon is writing a new six-issue Buffy mini-series for Dark Horse Comics. The first volume is due out in October. A Dark Horse spokesperson has confirmed to ICv2 that the new series chronicles events that happened to Buffy and her friends after the conclusion of their televised adventures and will function as a "Season 8" to the highly popular cult hit TV series that ran for seven seasons (see "Buffy Returns").

Even though the WB aired the final episode of the Buffy the Vampire Slayer TV series three years ago (May 20th, 2003), reruns have extended the life of the popular property, which still supports a wide array of tie-in products including action figures from Diamond Select Toys, trading cards from Inkworks(a new series is due in August), and Cine-Manga from Tokyopop (see "Tokyopop's 'Buffy' Cine-Manga").

And who do I thank for this tip? None other than Warren Ellis. (http://warrenellis.com/)

If Ellis can get a television show aired that isn't canned before it even hits the airwaves, Global Frequency :mad:, Whedon will have a serious run for his money.

Kefkataran

05-23-2006, 08:22 PM

Everlost, it sounds like Ellis has a TV project that's almost going to make it now. Here's hoping.

You should front-page this sucker.

Heretic Machine

05-23-2006, 08:25 PM

Awesome, but doesn't really answer the big question... What happend after Season 5 of Angel? This would be happening alongside Season 5 of Angel, so hopefully Joss will run with this idea...

Everlost_MI

05-24-2006, 04:00 AM

Everlost, it sounds like Ellis has a TV project that's almost going to make it now. Here's hoping.

You should front-page this sucker.

Is it front page worthy? If you think so, use your new power to push it there. :)

bKangy

05-24-2006, 04:03 AM

If Warren Ellis got a TV show, I'd probably orgasm right then and there when I heard the news.

Kefkataran

05-24-2006, 05:39 AM

Is it front page worthy? If you think so, use your new power to push it there.

No idea how to do that, but if I knew, I would. *LOL*

If Warren Ellis got a TV show, I'd probably orgasm right then and there when I heard the news.

Dude's been writing in his newsletter about a deal that he seems to really think is finally going to work for the past two weeks. Last I heard, he said they should be making official announcements some time in the next two weeks. So... start walking around with an extra pair of pants, I suppose.

Evil Avatar

05-24-2006, 05:54 AM

If Ellis can get a television show aired that isn't canned before it even hits the airwaves, Global Frequency :mad:, Whedon will have a serious run for his money.

Global Frequency? Is that based on the comic? I have the 12-issue limited series, but I've never read it. I purchased it on Ebay after author Brian Keene recommended it on his blog (http://hailsaten.blogspot.com).

Kefkataran

05-24-2006, 06:33 AM

Global Frequency? Is that based on the comic? I have the 12-issue limited series, but I've never read it. I purchased it on Ebay after author Brian Keene recommended it on his blog.

Global Frequency was a TV show Ellis was developing based on the comic, yes. They got all the way to shooting a pilot before it was turned down. The pilot leaked onto the net and you can probably still find it. Apparantly it's really good, though I haven't seen it yet.

zipR

05-24-2006, 06:43 AM

Sounds good to me. With Whedon writingn this should be good.

Dr.Finger

05-24-2006, 07:05 AM

I think Global Frequency is Ellis' best work. The show wasn't quite as good as the comic, mostly because they had to pad it a bit to get to an hour. About the GF show, I read that WB blamed Ellis for leaking the pilot so they moved it from a possible mid season pickup to DOA.

Kefkataran

05-24-2006, 07:40 AM

Savok

05-24-2006, 07:53 AM

Doesn't Ellis have a terrible tendency for political masturbation? I could be wrong here, my knowledge is not very good with comics.

Still, that alone should torpedo anything for TV, the temptation is just too great to pump it full of propaganda and taint great comics.

Kefkataran

05-24-2006, 08:13 AM

Doesn't Ellis have a terrible tendency for political masturbation? I could be wrong here, my knowledge is not very good with comics.

That depends on how you define 'political masturbation'. Transmetropolitan was an extremely political comic, and Ellis isn't afraid to throw his beliefs out there. Something like Fell or Nextwave, on the other hand, mostly avoids politics.

Still, that alone should torpedo anything for TV, the temptation is just too great to pump it full of propaganda and taint great comics.

Except, if it's Ellis and he does suffer from that in your opinion, his great comics would've been full of it anyways. I've never fully understood the GrinR way of looking at comics with any sort of political or social message as bad, though, so what do I know.

bean19

05-24-2006, 08:48 AM

He needs to be making television again. The world needs more TV series from Whedon.

Nessus

05-24-2006, 11:25 AM

Awesome, but doesn't really answer the big question... What happend after Season 5 of Angel? This would be happening alongside Season 5 of Angel, so hopefully Joss will run with this idea...

Well, technically, Buffy ended a year before Angel did, they could concievably pick up right where Buffy left off and cover her going to Europe, rounding up all the new Potentials-turned-Slayers, establishing the new Watchers Counsil, moving to Rome, meeting the Immortal, etc. and frustrate all the fans by never mentioning what happened to Angel and Co. because it hasn't happened yet.

I think if anything is likely to adequately cover post-Angel season 5 (there were a couple of non-canon comic books which had all of them surviving the battle, but never really explaining what happened) it'll be the Spike, Illyria, etc. movies they've talked about which may or may not materialize.

Personally I really like the way they ended Angel. Seemed so fitting to the theme of the entire series. It's not about the reward.

Savok

05-24-2006, 12:10 PM

He needs to be making television again. The world needs more TV series from Whedon.
Only assholes keep cancelling his shows.

Yes, Angel had IMO, the finest ending to a TV show ever.

Politics in comics, it divides the audience and screws up the story because you may end up hating the hero and are simply reading something that pisses you off in what would of otherwise been an awesome story.

MGS2 is an example of poltics fucking things (granted the plot in MGS2 sucked anyway), by the end you agree with the Patriots and really wish Raiden would die, but the only way to complete the game is for you to beat the end boss.

Kefkataran

05-24-2006, 01:38 PM

Politics in comics, it divides the audience and screws up the story because you may end up hating the hero and are simply reading something that pisses you off in what would of otherwise been an awesome story.

If you're that pissed about it, don't read it. If you take shit that seriously, just stay away. Doesn't mean politics should be kept out of comics for everyone.

MGS2 is an example of poltics fucking things (granted the plot in MGS2 sucked anyway), by the end you agree with the Patriots and really wish Raiden would die, but the only way to complete the game is for you to beat the end boss.

See, I totally disagree. I loved the plot to MGS2 (though not as much as 3), and I loved the fact that it had political depth. So you took the Patriots side? So you're a fascist? We can't help that. :p Anyway, I can see your point where pushy politics CAN turn some people off, but I still don't see that as a reason to keep it out of shit. Politics and art have always mixed, and it's one of the only ways things ever get changed.

P.S. Whedon and Ellis are pretty close friends apparantly -- at least to the point where they're constantly jabbing at each other on each other's sites. I've heard they have quite the mutual respect for each other's work.

Heretic Machine

05-24-2006, 04:40 PM

Well, technically, Buffy ended a year before Angel did, they could concievably pick up right where Buffy left off and cover her going to Europe, rounding up all the new Potentials-turned-Slayers, establishing the new Watchers Counsil, moving to Rome, meeting the Immortal, etc. and frustrate all the fans by never mentioning what happened to Angel and Co. because it hasn't happened yet.

I know that, that's what I was saying. This doesn't really answer the big question, or really tell us anything we don't already know.

Personally I really like the way they ended Angel. Seemed so fitting to the theme of the entire series. It's not about the reward.

I loved the way Angel ended too (I also loved Halo 2's ending) but I still want to know what happens :p

Everlost_MI

05-24-2006, 05:33 PM

Only assholes keep cancelling his shows.

Yes, Angel had IMO, the finest ending to a TV show ever.

I think David Boreanaz is doing a bang up job, as good if not better than his role as Angel in the new series Bones.

Everlost_MI

05-24-2006, 05:35 PM

Global Frequency? Is that based on the comic? I have the 12-issue limited series, but I've never read it. I purchased it on Ebay after author Brian Keene recommended it on his blog (http://hailsaten.blogspot.com).

Yup, what Kef said. :)

Blue

05-24-2006, 06:25 PM

I'm officially terrified. But I'll buy it. And love it.

Mirabelle

05-24-2006, 06:41 PM

I have to agree that the Angel ending was perfect, and I cannot overestimate my enthusiasm for this Buffy season 8 comic book. Although, I found the Firefly comic book offerings pretty disappointing. Not that they were badly done... I just don't get that excited by dramatic comics. =(

Zeal

05-24-2006, 07:27 PM

Awesome, but doesn't really answer the big question... What happend after Season 5 of Angel? This would be happening alongside Season 5 of Angel, so hopefully Joss will run with this idea...This is one of the most pondered questions in Buffyverse history. To this day, I still can't believe the WB forced Whedon to prematurely end Angel.

I'd give anything if the Spike TV series could be revived, too. Spike's one of the coolest characters ever, and James Marsters is simply a great actor.

As for the comic, fucking awesome news. http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

Savok

05-24-2006, 08:27 PM

If you're that pissed about it, don't read it. If you take shit that seriously, just stay away. Doesn't mean politics should be kept out of comics for everyone.

See, I totally disagree. I loved the plot to MGS2 (though not as much as 3), and I loved the fact that it had political depth. So you took the Patriots side? So you're a fascist? We can't help that. :p Anyway, I can see your point where pushy politics CAN turn some people off, but I still don't see that as a reason to keep it out of shit. Politics and art have always mixed, and it's one of the only ways things ever get changed.

P.S. Whedon and Ellis are pretty close friends apparantly -- at least to the point where they're constantly jabbing at each other on each other's sites. I've heard they have quite the mutual respect for each other's work.
Thing is there can be awesome writing, and awesome writing is such a rare thing it needs to be treasured.

Still, you liked MGS2? It was convulted ego masturbation where Kojima didn't hold back on the stroking. You can't honestly tell me that Liquid Ocelot was a good piece of story telling?

When the Patriots are rattling off about the sea of useless information out there that's just drowning us, you find yourself nodding your head. The other side of this is Raiden, doesn't help. You can watch a debate and agree the other side put a far better case forward, even if you still don't completely agree with it because your side was utterly useless and that's why you lost.

And now Raiden is a goth cyber ninja? It's insanity, and not the good drug induced kind, but the "ego so large it's impossible to think you could ever have a bad idea" one.

Kefkataran

05-24-2006, 09:11 PM

Still, you liked MGS2? It was convulted ego masturbation where Kojima didn't hold back on the stroking. You can't honestly tell me that Liquid Ocelot was a good piece of story telling?

Yeah, Liquid Ocelot was ridiculous, but I think it was meant to be ridiculous. Either way, every time someone says "that story is masturbatory" I usually disagree. I mean, if you're looking at it that way, what the fuck isn't masturbatory these days? How are all these drawn-out forum discussions not masturbatory, for example? Meh, I dunno. Maybe it's just that no one's ever provided me for a good argument about what that means exactly and why it shouldn't exist.

When the Patriots are rattling off about the sea of useless information out there that's just drowning us, you find yourself nodding your head.

Yes, definitely, and that's part of why I loved the game. It really made me think about that and challenged me to be critical. I couldn't just accept it, but I couldn't just right it off as "OMFG teh bad guyz" either.

And now Raiden is a goth cyber ninja? It's insanity, and not the good drug induced kind, but the "ego so large it's impossible to think you could ever have a bad idea" one.

Whatever. If the story's even half as good as MGS3's, I'll love every second. *shrug* And if it ends up sucking, I'll be severely disappointed such is life.

Savok

05-24-2006, 11:17 PM

Yeah, Liquid Ocelot was ridiculous, but I think it was meant to be ridiculous. Either way, every time someone says "that story is masturbatory" I usually disagree. I mean, if you're looking at it that way, what the fuck isn't masturbatory these days? How are all these drawn-out forum discussions not masturbatory, for example? Meh, I dunno. Maybe it's just that no one's ever provided me for a good argument about what that means exactly and why it shouldn't exist.
It goes beyond that, half the game is symbolic of Kojima's glorious life. Seriously, in PAL because we got the game 6 months late we got a DVD oh how the game was made, never have I seen a man so wrapped up in his own genius, he's the single most egotisical prick on Earth, more so then I am which says a lot.

Things weren't added into the game to make the game better, it was to add more fucking Kojima. The overwhelming narcissism actually made me physically ill.

My god, the man took time to bitch about the Japanese education system holding back his genius son, I suspect the apple doesn't fall far from the tree and the kid's teachers hate the little shit for being stuck up asshole who doesn't know anything yet expects everyone to simply throw themselves at his feet in worship.

Kefkataran

05-24-2006, 11:24 PM

It goes beyond that, half the game is symbolic of Kojima's glorious life. Seriously, in PAL because we got the game 6 months late we got a DVD oh how the game was made, never have I seen a man so wrapped up in his own genius, he's the single most egotisical prick on Earth, more so then I am which says a lot.

Every interview and article I've ever read with/about Kojima has painted him as quite NOT a prick. Now, sure, those could just be the articles, but I'm not buying what you're saying over them, personally. Sure, he's wrapped up in his own artistic vision. Big deal. If I enjoy what that is, then I'm cool with that. It sounds like the guy himself is actually pretty decent regardless.

My god, the man took time to bitch about the Japanese education system holding back his genius son, I suspect the apple doesn't fall far from the tree and the kid's teachers hate the little shit for being stuck up asshole who doesn't know anything yet expects everyone to simply throw themselves at his feet in worship.

Do you actually have ANYTHING to back up Kojima as being like this besides something you presume from whatever was on that DVD? You seem to be making a lot of leaps in who Kojima is for someone who has never met him. I generally don't like the idea of judging someone based on your dislike his or her creations. Like most the writers I think are shit, I recognize that most of them are still probably decent folk. Or at the least that I can't make any real judgements on them unless I ever, you know, fucking meet them and interact with them myself (or read some first-hand shit). Except Tom Clancy. That guy's a douche.

Savok

05-24-2006, 11:35 PM

This IS first hand, Kojima himself takes up over half the DVD, I've had more then enough Kojima for a lifetime.

I don't know how or where you could watch it, but trust me, watching the person you want to punch him.

Kefkataran

05-24-2006, 11:37 PM

This IS first hand, Kojima himself takes up over half the DVD, I've had more then enough Kojima for a lifetime.

Meh. I have a feeling I'd probably disagree about him being such a "prick" if I saw it. *shrug* You and I obviously have really different criterion for how and when art matters to us, so no biggie.

Zeal

05-24-2006, 11:49 PM

lol this entire page of the thread has nothing to do with the topic.

Kefkataran

05-25-2006, 12:01 AM

lol this entire page of the thread has nothing to do with the topic.

There's a number of posts discussing both the Whedon thing, Buffy, Angel, and the Ellis thing mentioned in the OP. So I don't know what you're talking about.

(I actually like your sig for once. Who'd've thunk you'd dig a Richard Linklater film, Zeal? Good work!)