GoW MTV show

[Major Dan]

Team XBox, linked to the MTV show, Gears of War, the Road to E3. MTV is showing it on their site.

GoW, The Road to E3 (http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/10997/Gears-of-War-The-Race-to-E3-Available-Now-for-Streaming/)

Actually it is pretty good. Kind of interesting to see the same problems they have, we have where I work to, they just have more fun.

[Qoz]

I'm surprised at how Cliffy is a kid still.
Dating a 19 year old, when you are 31? And breaking up in the middle of the feature?
He must have been a child prodigy to get such a job.
Must be pretty cool!

The feature is honest and great. Recommended.

[Oddmaker]

It's U.S only.

[MachDelta]

It's U.S only.
No it's not ;) (http://www.mininova.org/tor/315124)

[Oddmaker]

ah haha thx ;)

[balamoor]

I'm surprised at how Cliffy is a kid still.
Dating a 19 year old, when you are 31? And breaking up in the middle of the feature?
He must have been a child prodigy to get such a job.
Must be pretty cool!

The feature is honest and great. Recommended.


Well he's trying to emulate John Romero, so what do you expect. It's a good thing these guy design games for a Living else they would be Living in a Box in Downtown Durham somewhere.

Actually, most developing studios are hard up for talent, as the real money is in Enterprise software development. That’s why they grab kids right our of College or in most cases Kids that spent the past few years Hacking Game Z in Mom’s basement that is also a testament to the quality of 90% of the titles being developed today. Still some folks don't care about the cash we recently lost one of our programmers to Destination games. The guy took a 30k a year pay cut, and from what I have heard is working almost Twice the hours...sorry I’m too old and set in my ways to put up with Bullshit like that.

[Reanimated]

Dang, this game is getting a Halo level of hype. MS made a great move by picking this up.

[balamoor]

Dang, this game is getting a Halo level of hype. MS made a great move by picking this up.

Yep and you can bet your ass MS will own Epic if the game so much as breaks even.

[koorb]

No it's not ;) (http://www.mininova.org/tor/315124)
Thankyou thankyou thankyou, I have been looking for that for days.

[Oddmaker]

hahah, Bill Gates: Is it going to be ready this Fall?
CliffyB's face dropped haha

[askheaves]

The guy took a 30k a year pay cut, and from what I have heard is working almost Twice the hours...sorry I’m too old and set in my ways to put up with Bullshit like that.

Thus, the primary reason I won't go into the game industry. At the end of the day, you're still writing software, but for some reason the industry norm becomes working twice as long for less money? I've put up with too much bullshit in my short time (8 years?) in industry and I think I'd laugh my ass off if somebody thought that should be 'normal' for me.

I think this whole grabbing kids out of college and basements and putting them to slave labor is tantamount to child-labor abuses. Somehow the 'appeal' of the industry has been making it an employer's market, but enough of these stories come out and that dries up quickly... well, at least the talented are smart enough to stay away.

[jeffbax]

Yep and you can bet your ass MS will own Epic if the game so much as breaks even.
I don't think that Epic would go for that considering they probably make way more selling the engine to all platforms (Xbox,Cube,PS2,PS3,360,PC,Mac)

than any games.

[balamoor]

Thus, the primary reason I won't go into the game industry. At the end of the day, you're still writing software, but for some reason the industry norm becomes working twice as long for less money? I've put up with too much bullshit in my short time (8 years?) in industry and I think I'd laugh my ass off if somebody thought that should be 'normal' for me.

I think this whole grabbing kids out of college and basements and putting them to slave labor is tantamount to child-labor abuses. Somehow the 'appeal' of the industry has been making it an employer's market, but enough of these stories come out and that dries up quickly... well, at least the talented are smart enough to stay away.

I hear ya guy. I flirted with the idea a couple years back and was courted by three of the larger developers, but their compensation packages were laughable, and one of them had the audacity to say "Well were usually not this good to people, but we really want you on board. "

From what I have seen 90% of the compensation usually goes to one Asshat He-diva that is long on hype and short on talent, the guys that are doing the real work on the projects are usually screwed.


Nope that's okay, I’ll stick with developing Imagecast. I do a 35 hour week and am compensated very well, hell I even get to play live 360 in our break room. All of the bennies none of the bullshit.

[balamoor]

I don't think that Epic would go for that considering they probably make way more selling the engine to all platforms (Xbox,Cube,PS2,PS3,360,PC,Mac)

than any games.

Yep Bungie did that and it worked out great for them.... Oh wait no they didn't . :rolleyes:

[motor]

I don't think Epic is for sale. They make an ungodly amount of money selling engine licenses. And in some ways, now that renderware is gone I would say they are the most powerful middleware company (Havok is the only other company I would compare them to). I believe they are going to have a huge influence on the platform wars (almost as big as Sony and Microsoft themselves). If they play their cards right, they will be getting themselves into the enviable position of selling an OS to competing hardware manufacturers. Bill would be proud.

[Xerxes]

If MS wants you they'll get you.

HOMER
Hey, what the hell's going on!
GATES
Oh, I didn't get rich by writing a lot of checks!

[motor]

Epic might actually be worth the kind of money that Rare got out of Microsoft (and I think that's what they would ask for) and I don't think Microsoft is ever going to pay that kind of money for a game company again after the Rare fiasco.

[Xerxes]

Epic would be worth it unlike Rare. Audience wise at least. Microsoft publishs both PC and Xbox 360 games. So they'll still be able to cranks out PC games like norm and have that Xbox 360 hit coming out as well. I think Epic only has like three teams. Unreal team, Gears team, and the Engine team itself last I read. I'm not sure if being bought out like that would give MS the right to just say no more selling of the Engine for Ps3 games. Not sure on the logistics there. If they could that would disarm ease of design on ps3. Everyone would have to use another engine or start from scratch with a platform that's probably not easy make.

I don't think selling the engine or the games would slap $400 million in your hands as fast.