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gzsfrk
11-08-2010, 08:04 AM
<table width="100%" style="padding:2px; background-color: black"><tr><td>Pinball FX2 Review [360]

Developed by: Zen Studios (http://www.zenstudios.com/)
Published by: Microsoft Game Studios (http://www.microsoft.com/games/)
You pay: The main download is free; tables can be purchased as packs (800 MSP / $10) or individually (200 MSP / $2.50)</td><td align="right"><img style="border:1px solid red;" src="http://evavhost.com/i/press/gzsfrk_head.jpg"></td></tr><tr><td>Release Date: October 26, 2010</td><td align=right>Matt 'gzsfrk' Williams</td></tr></table>

Tommy Walker Approved

Me and video pinball go way back. I had the original Video Pinball (http://www.mobygames.com/game/atari-2600/video-pinball) for the Atari 2600, wore out some Pinball Construction Set (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinball_Construction_Set) on my Commodore 64, and racked up hundreds of millions in Tristan Pinball (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX5Eg_uc_y0) for DOS. But I have to admit, it’s been over a decade since I was playing my last pinball regular, Balls of Steel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCOyldR8Cf8), with any frequency. Zen Studios almost pulled me back into the silver ball fold with its XBLA exclusive Pinball FX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinball_FX) back in 2007. However, the tables—while fairly well designed—were a bit generic and did little to innovate the core concepts of pinball other than providing online leaderboards. But with the release of Pinball FX2, I’m once again back snugly among the flipper faithful.

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Pinball FX2 isn’t just a new collection of tables; it’s a video pinball platform. Similar to Hasbro Family Game Night (http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Product/Family-Game-Night/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258410981), PFX2 serves as a hub for downloading and launching both your existing tables from the first Pinball FX as well as new ones designed specifically for the updated engine. One particularly useful new feature is that you can now download and try any table from within the PFX2 interface on a trial basis although you’ll only get a few minutes of play time before the game stops and you’re given the option to either purchase it or return to the main screen. The ball physics and graphics (including the variety of viewing angles and the lighting effects) have been upgraded, with your existing Pinball FX tables benefiting from the improvements. Multiplayer modes have also been added along with a variety of community features.

In addition to the support for content from the previous game, four all new tables have been added: Bio-Lab, Secrets of the Deep, Pasha, and Rome. Whereas the tables in the original game were--as I mentioned--a bit run of the mill, the four new playfields are anything but uninspired, with impressive mechanisms, great dot-matrix display effects, and entertaining board design. They also have a better narrative flow with table objectives being more effectively communicated during play via vocal and visual cues. Unlike the first game, you will less frequently find yourself having to choose between paying attention to the dot-matrix display for vital information about your next target and having the ball go between your flippers and into the pit because you weren’t constantly paying attention to its trajectory. Instead, the new tables display most essential information while the ball is briefly out of play.

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Another interesting upgrade that should be of interest to any engineering students or would-be service techs out there is the all new service mode—a set of options that let you make adjustments to the various simulated physical components just as you would when servicing an actual pinball table. You can adjust table angle, pin tension, kick-back strength, and myriad other settings depending on the table being tweaked. Unfortunately, this mode only applies to the new tables and not any of the legacy ones from the original Pinball FX. Still, it’s great fun to be able to play around with the various knobs and doodads to see how it affects (and possibly improves) the playability of the various boards. Of course, it should be noted that only high scores earned on tables at their default settings that will be posted to the online leaderboards.

Easily my favorite addition is the new versus multiplayer. Either 2 players offline (via split-screen) or up to 4 players online can compete on the same table to either be the first to reach a certain score or to have the highest score when time runs out. In much the same way that the addition of effective multiplayer to previously single-player experiences (such as Peggle and Plants vs. Zombies) has added greatly to those games’ depth and staying power, so too has it moved Pinball FX2 from being a decidedly niche title to one with more broad appeal. Those who may not see the fun to be had from endlessly trying to best previous high scores may well be drawn in by the admittedly addictive challenge of seeing your score marker race against that of your opponents in real-time as you frantically try to either stay ahead of them as time runs down or cross the target score “finish line” first.

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Zen Studious and Microsoft seem to be trying to build a community around the Pinball FX series. Your overall ranking is directly impacted not only by how good your high scores are, but also by how many other players you know and have on your friends list. Each player has what is called their “Super Score”—a number calculated as the number of millions you get when adding up your high scores from all the tables you own. This makes for an easy way to compare your own skill against that of your pinball peers. Additionally, you use that score as an input to your “Wizard Score”—a number which adds your Super Score to the combined Super Scores of all your friends and then multiplies it times the number of tables you own. This makes for a fun little social game-within-the-game that encourages you to not only buy more tables, but also to make friends with as many other flipper fiends as possible in an effort to boost your online ranking.

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Pinball FX2 is still, at its core, a pinball game. That being the case, those who find no appeal in swatting at little round balls bouncing around inside an ornately decorated glass-top box aren’t likely to find religion and suddenly become real-life collectors just by playing this title. However, if you were ever a fan of the genre and have maybe been looking for a good reason to lean back over the table, then you’re not going to find a more persuasive argument in the video pinball world than PFX2, because it sure plays a mean pinball (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZCwiNJ4wgo).

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<table width="100%" style="padding:2px"><tr><td width=33% valign=top>http://evavhost.com/public/the_good.jpg Has the most realistic pinball action you’re liable to find outside of a smoky pool hall The four new tables are wonderfully designed and fun The multiplayer modes are a brilliant addition and give the game some legs The ability to tweak the mechanical settings of tables finally lets me live out my arcade owner fantasy It’s essentially a free upgrade for those who bought the previous game</td><td width=33% valign=top>http://evavhost.com/public/the_bad.jpg It’s still just pinball, so if that’s not your thing then there’s probably nothing for you here The layout of the main menu could be improved to look less cluttered </td><td width=33% valign=top>http://evavhost.com/public/the_ugly.jpg A couple of the tables have release paths that seem to aim so perfectly for the pit that I suspect they were scientifically engineered to produce the optimum flow of profanity</td></tr></table>

gzsfrk
11-08-2010, 08:05 AM
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Agnostic Pope
11-08-2010, 08:07 AM
I never got the appeal of playing a videogame based on pinball and I never will.

lockwoodx
11-08-2010, 08:13 AM
I never got the appeal of playing a videogame based on pinball and I never will.

Because you can also play games on them.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_yR_OOc47c7Q/S1CX3kpVTVI/AAAAAAAALSM/ovVB9eL2ZY4/s500/P1030933%20%28Large%29.JPG

http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4826

ElfShotTheFood
11-08-2010, 08:25 AM
I like video pinball. Real pinball is fine too, but machines are hard to find these days.

PBFX 2 is pretty good. I have the original game and was able to export the tables into the new game at no cost. They definitely take advantage of the updated physics and visual effects.

There are also new achievements for each table, and you get a snazzy crown for your avatar too.

The only thing I don't really like is that you can only buy the new tables in a pack of four, instead of individually.

AkumaATR
11-08-2010, 08:50 AM
It's too bad that pinball is kind of a dying art. I won't say dead since these Pinball FX games have been as good as they are. I think that most young players today don't really understand the progression that can take place in a good pinball game/table -- that is, there are progressive/changing goals -- how dynamic the gameplay can be over the course of a game. How many little nuances a table can have (amazing hardware (as well as software) engineering in the actual tables). This is based on how often I've seen when new players approach pinball and lose interest quickly (they don't really get to the point where they are figuring out what the designers wanted them to). I think many or most of these people think the game/table is much more static than it really is, and that the goal for the few minutes they play is just to keep the ball alive (that in-game time mostly equals points). Few seem to have the patience to go beyond that. Just what I've noticed at a friend's place who has a handful of classic tables in his basement. I think the Pinball FX tables do a pretty good job of informing the player of these always changing micro-goals during play.

I really hope that anyone/any companies owning the rights to some classic pinball tables (Pinbot!) can strike some deals with the Pinball FX guys. :D

AkumaATR
11-08-2010, 08:54 AM
p.s. good review btw -- not sure though about the bad bullet point of "it's still just pinball" though, although I know why you pointed that out. :-) Would we have bad bullet point for a great football game for "just being football"? :-P

lockwoodx
11-08-2010, 08:54 AM
how often I've seen when new players approach pinball and lose interest quickly (they don't really get to the point where they are figuring out what the designers wanted them to).

When I finally got the T-Rex to eat my ball for the first time on Jurassic Park the whole freakin bowling alley knew it.

Agnostic Pope
11-08-2010, 08:55 AM
It's like those nerf gun games you know...why play a game about toys when you can shoot people with paintball guns irl? If I had a fetish for pinball machines I'd save for a nice 3000 dollar one. (cheap?)

lockwoodx
11-08-2010, 08:56 AM
p.s. good review btw -- not sure though about the bad bullet point of "it's still just pinball" though, although I know why you pointed that out. :-) Would we have bad bullet point for a great football game for "just being football"? :-P

Well was it blood bowl type football, or NFL type football? If you said NFL, then yeah "it's still just football."

AkumaATR
11-08-2010, 08:57 AM
Think about the cost/effort of owning/maintaining the number of tables you can easily enjoy in Pinball FX's platform vs. doing what you are talking about though...

Agnostic Pope
11-08-2010, 09:00 AM
If you really like something go for broke. It's software vs the real thing...the real thing you can play IRL and not running on software. (tilt fail) If we could kill people IRL and "respawn" Halo and CoD wouldn't sell much would they? :D

AkumaATR
11-08-2010, 09:03 AM
If you really like something go for broke. It's software vs the real thing...the real thing you can play IRL and not running on software. (tilt fail) If we could kill people IRL and "respawn" Halo and CoD wouldn't sell much would they? :D

We have to pick and choose what we pour our money/time/effort into... at least for me, it won't be pinball :)

ElfShotTheFood
11-08-2010, 09:30 AM
When I finally got the T-Rex to eat my ball for the first time on Jurassic Park the whole freakin bowling alley knew it.

We had that machine at the arcade here. The bass was a bit overdone. ;)

gzsfrk
11-08-2010, 10:04 AM
Because you can also play games on them.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_yR_OOc47c7Q/S1CX3kpVTVI/AAAAAAAALSM/ovVB9eL2ZY4/s500/P1030933%20%28Large%29.JPG

http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4826

Just imagine when someone re-engineers that thing to use a glasses-free 3D display running a 3D-enabled verison of Visual Pinball + PinMAME. Now THAT would be an argument to make me seriously consider picking up a 3D television. :)

92miata
11-08-2010, 10:45 AM
going to buy this when it is on sale!

i have BALLS OF STEEL installed on all 6 of my computers/laptops.

this is still the best pinball game ever made!!!!!

scott topic
11-08-2010, 11:37 AM
looking forward to trying this... i really liked the original. although i wish i could turn my tv on it's side to play it.

gzsfrk
11-08-2010, 01:10 PM
When I finally got the T-Rex to eat my ball for the first time ... the whole freakin bowling alley knew it.

Kinky. ;)

too short

Rommel
11-08-2010, 01:14 PM
The first review I ever hated (And flamed) on this site was a pinball game.

This review fucking sucked!

*Sniff* Good times.

3Suns
11-08-2010, 01:28 PM
I can hardly stop playing it. I got the free avatar tee within a couple of days and am not working on getting the Wizard's hoodie! The new tables are simply brilliant! They go way beyond any mechanics I might have imagined. They are simultaneously much deeper than the original tables, and easier to understand. With "video effects" off, basically all the mechanical features and toys are actually plausible, though because of the maintenance, would not even be considered by a company like Stern (the sole remaining Pinball manufacturer in the U.S.). As a purist, I realize that this is pinball as we would never be able to have manufactured, and am thrilled that we can play it.

Zen Studios is an awesome development house, too. Friendly and passionate. For those who might be interested, I submitted an idea for a Zombie themed pinball machine (http://thestranded.wordpress.com/2009/10/20/zombie-pinball/) last year. They immediately responded with regret that it wouldn't pass the ESRB ratings, but they were very complimentary (and I am kind of proud of the ideas I fleshed out).

gzsfrk, good review! I am PMing you my GT if you want to do some mutual buffing (lol) towards the Wizard's Hoodie. Cheers!

Throw me the idol, I'll throw you the whip!

Reverend Meta
11-08-2010, 01:31 PM
Excellent review.

I really like how they released the game as a free "platform" and let you import your own tables for free. I also like how quick and easy it is to check out other tables, including DLC ones from the past, and try them or add them to your collection.

I can sort of understand people not "getting" the appeal of video pinball. On the one hand, it's a "game" about knocking around balls; on the other hand, it's a fun collection of flashing lights, sound effects & small rewards that go off constantly, and isn't that what video games are all about!?

GiantAshSnake
11-08-2010, 03:55 PM
I played the hell out of the first game, and I have been playing 2 since it came out. I've mostly been playing Speed Machine, Nightmare Mansion and Buccaneer but I haven't purchased any of the new tables. After reading this review and some of the comments I think I will...

Agnostic Pope
11-08-2010, 04:25 PM
it's a fun collection of flashing lights, sound effects & small rewards that go off constantly, and isn't that what video games are all about!?

Achievements except achievements are dull and without GLORIOUS FLASHING LIGHTS.

3Suns
11-08-2010, 04:26 PM
Snake, the new tables are SO much better! If you even casually enjoy pinball and the first game, it is a must-buy.

gzsfrk
11-08-2010, 06:51 PM
Snake, the new tables are SO much better! If you even casually enjoy pinball and the first game, it is a must-buy.

The nice thing about PFX2 is, he doesn't even have to take our word for it. He can download and try them at no cost. A few minutes of gameplay on each table should let him know if it's worth the $10 for all 4.

bobmitch
11-08-2010, 07:54 PM
A pinball video game review and no mention of the Pinball Dreams/Fantasies series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinball_Dreams)?

Son, I am disappoint. :)

Phoenix1985
11-08-2010, 08:31 PM
I'm a tad dissapointed in some of the music. The Street Fighter table for instance, while more of a promotional thing, is way too short, repeating itself after what feels like half a minute. Some of the other tables' have pretty lackluster tunes as well. More could also be done with the fake screen to evoke that old-school feeling, since most of that is pretty boring or has weak art.

Overall though, it's certainly fun pinball action. And further maps along the line sounds awesome.

GiantAshSnake
11-09-2010, 04:59 AM
Snake, the new tables are SO much better! If you even casually enjoy pinball and the first game, it is a must-buy.

I bought the new tables and have played Pasha and Rome so far. Both are excellent tables and very fun. Definitely better than the tables from the first game!!

gzsfrk
11-09-2010, 08:22 AM
A pinball video game review and no mention of the Pinball Dreams/Fantasies series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinball_Dreams)?

Son, I am disappoint. :)

Now really--if I listed every (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_GTBT_fqYA) single (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axe0DKqdtZc) video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2nsY9J_4as) pinball (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8569483550303406325) game (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix9eb2tQdkg)/series (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3CypFCNc7I) that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ8O-ExBdEE) I've (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q308e5-EoNg) enjoyed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOVeDfTgrjk) over (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfJPXd-SC_0) the (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1a9Y55NJy0) years (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44WfGT0ElVk), this review would have read more like an autobiography, wouldn't it? :)

Reverend Meta
11-09-2010, 12:39 PM
I finally broke down and bought the 4 new tables this morning. They are great! I am not disappoint.

Sayntin
12-09-2010, 05:09 AM
This thread just helped me remember some of my favorite pinball moments. The magna save in Black Knight. The super pinball shooter gun in Terminator. The bottom inside level on Haunted House. The excellent sounding Heartbeat in Gor. Pinbot was great with it's matrix of lights. And really old school would be one of my first faves, Air Aces.
I hope they bring this out on PC, I may have to buy a cheap Xbox just to play this.