Phil Harrison Fights Back in War of Words with Microsoft

[Karas]

It looks like Microsoft and Sony are using Nintendo as their 2nd man, as you can read (along with a justification of the prices) in this Gamepro interview (http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=55089) with Sony Executive Phil Harrison.

"I think Peter Moore is exactly right. I think Nintendo will be the second system consumers purchase after PlayStation 3."
"I know what Peter was getting at with his price point issue but he's not comparing apples to oranges. He's not even comparing the same kind of food products at all. It's clearly a case that PlayStation 3's price is justified by PlayStation 3's value. That's what consumers base their purchasing decisions on -- value."

And even some blatant Xbox bashing:
..On Microsoft's Difficulties with Xbox 360 Backward Compatibility
"I don't believe that was backwards compatibility."Well it looks like he's doing a lot of Microsoft bashing in response to Sony's poor E3 showing.

EDIT: In this interview, Harrison also echoes Ken Kutaragi's previously posted comments about the PS3 price:

What we have in addition to a great game system is a Blue Ray player, a network platform, a new controller, and HDD in every system combined in an unbelievably compelling package. And frankly I'm amazed that we can do it so cheaply.

[Kefkataran]

Nice. It's really interesting to see BOTH Msoft and Sony picking up on this idea that Nintendo is a given and they're really only competing with each other. I think this is exactly what Nintendo wanted...

[Heretic Machine]

I want to see them in the CAGE! On pay-per-view!

[Kefkataran]

I'd buy that for a dollar.

[Bumbuliuz]

Intresting to see Sony flailing their arms around after their messed up e3. Begon Fony! :)

[Evil Avatar]

I want to see them in the CAGE! On pay-per-view!

Have you seen those Mac vs. PC commercials on TV? Those are funny, because now when you buy a Mac you are buying a PC.

[Lutheran]

Nintendo owned them both without a question in the show but it still remains to be seen if that controller is the big deal Wii hope it is or if its done as poorly as Pants thinks it is. Wii need for a few game sites we respect , AHEM , to get a day or 2 alone with the damn thing and give us a full review on all they experience.

[NoName]

How is it whenever I read anything by Sony, I tend to dislike them just that much more. They just seem so... arrogant!

[31 Flavas]

Quick, someone call Vegas! I wanna know what the odds are.

[Madhatter45]

How is it whenever I read anything by Sony, I tend to dislike them just that much more. They just seem so... arrogant!

That's because they are arrogant. Sony is too used to being King of the Hill and is trying desperatly not to be knocked from their safe little perch.

[bapenguin]

Man...even the trash talking is unoriginal from Sony. Just sad.

[Karas]

Ken Kuteragi - Peter Moore
Cage Match Exstravaganza
$18.95 Hi-def download on winning system!!!

That would almost be better tha girl-on-girl PPV....almost
It could make a interesting flash tho....

[Chalex]

I like Phil Harrison, he always seemed exude sophistication, something that most the other PR guys don't have an abundance of.


I think if Phil Harrison, Peter Moore, and Shigeru Miyamoto were all selling the same system it would see 90% market share :p

[MajSheppard]

Wouldn't be so funny if they both were wrong and Nintendo ended up on top? lol I do not pretend to know the future. Yet I do not think it will shape up the same as last time. I do think there will be a clear loser, even if there is not a clear winner. That loser will be Sony. They cannot do anything right lately. Plus the Vattican will curse them for the Da Vinci movie!

[SymetriX]

Only the hardcore videophiles are demanding next-gen DVD players. Most people probably mistakenly consider DVD's to be HDTV. I've never heard anyone say "Wow the quality of DVDs suck! Can we please have something new?".

$600 for a game machine is too much, and I just don't think the demand is there for the extra features.

Don't get me wrong, I think the extras are cool, especially streaming content from the PC to the Xbox 360, but it doesn't sell the system.

Even if it did, I don't think Sony can match Microsoft here because not only are they doing tight integration with PCs, they're now stepping up Xbox Live to include integration with Vista and even cell phones!

Anyway, the bottom line is I think both companies *need* Nintendo to do well to save their industry, and to keep funding their little excursions to try weasle their way into the set-top box market, in hopes that one day the games really are 2nd to most people.

[GunnyMo]

Sony's arrogance continually amazes me. What a bunch of genital warts. Those types of comments (we're the best and you are lucky to be getting such a fantabulous system for only $600) are pushing me further and further from purchasing a PS3 anytime in the next several years.

I am a hardcore gamer but, so far, nothing about PS3 is compelling me to buy it. Nothing.

What we have in addition to a great game system is a Blue Ray player, a network platform, a new controller, and HDD in every system combined in an unbelievably compelling package. And frankly I'm amazed that we can do it so cheaply.

That right there shows their arrogance and stupidity. XB360 has 3 out of those 4 items with every premium system at $200 less! I'm going to go out on a limb here and venture a "Fuck Sony!". Hell, I might even make a bumper sticker out of that. "Fuck Sony and Kutaragi right in the eye!" :D

[MajSheppard]

Sony, George W. Bush, and T.O.

*rips open sealed card*

Who are the most arrogant people alive?

[thecrazyd]

That right there shows their arrogance and stupidity. XB360 has 3 out of those 4 items with every premium system at $200 less!
I understand you are upset, but the premium 360 is $100 dollars less then the PS3 that matches all of it's features. Beyond that, carry on.

[Thenetcase]

Some pretty bold, brazen statements for Sony to issue... what with their "PS3" that is "$600" still running on.. oh... $45,000 development servers at E3. What's that? TWO YEARS after official announcements? Hmm.. that's sad.
I'm not a solidly XBox person... I do live both of mine. But I'd like sony to actually produce something that works and they can really show. At least Nintendo didn't get up on stage and take a crap. They HAD hardware. Sony, on the other hand, lobbed a steaming turd at everyone in the audience, what with the 8ft server array standing right next to their "PS3 display" on the showroom floor.

-TNC-

[Karas]

Yes it seems arrogant that Sony would pack in a bunch of stuff we don't and probably dont have the mony to use (ie. a TV that supports 1080p) and then try to convince usits a great deal, and as for formats I'm thinking Sony's going to lose remember Betamax?
(Well I don't but one of you should...)
Oh and GunnyMoI think you just gave me a nice sig.

[rein]

That right there shows their arrogance and stupidity. XB360 has 3 out of those 4 items with every premium system at $200 less!

Yes, the premium 360 has 3 out of the 4. Add the 4th one (HD-DVD player) and you get the exact same price. Oh wait, no, the PS3 has built in wifi. With the 360 that is $100 more.

[Zeal]

Everyone that walked out of E3 said they weren't payin' $499 for a PS3. If Wii is $199, people will buy a 360 and that.

[thecrazyd]

Everyone that walked out of E3 said they weren't payin' $499 for a PS3. If Wii is $199, people will buy a 360 and that.
Every last one of them. Zeal was outside questioning them.

[Zeal]

It's funny how this guy is always on my dick. Do you sit around and wait for me to post or some shit lol.

[thecrazyd]

It's funny how you say nothing but stupid zing statements.

[CrysDark]

Sony, George W. Bush, and T.O.

*rips open sealed card*

Who are the most arrogant people alive?


Not to turn this political, but that Bush bash was uncalled for. I mean arrogant, have you seen the guy speak?

[AspectVoid]

You know, I really, really, REALLY wish everyone would just realize that the systems really mean nothing. What's important is what games come out for the system. All of this BS from all three camps has just gotten completely annoying. Get back to me in three or so years when the systems are all out and all have libraries of games, and THEN we can see what system is good.

[Mozgus]

It's funny how you say nothing but stupid zing statements.
That's how every forum post should be.

[ElPresidente]

This is all on the assumption that people will buy two consoles. Which most wont. :P

It is just geeks like us who will and lets face it, most of us will probably go for all three anyway just to ensure we don't miss out on anything cool.

[Rafer]

I understand you are upset, but the premium 360 is $100 dollars less then the PS3 that matches all of it's features. Beyond that, carry on.

Heck, in Canada the premium 360 is $500 and the PS3 will be $550, that's only a $50 difference.

[eth3rton]

Can't we all just get along and watch Microsoft & Sony fight this one out...

I for one find Sony's arrogance fairly amusing.... can't wait until the reality check hits them...

[Kagger]

Have you seen those Mac vs. PC commercials on TV? Those are funny, because now when you buy a Mac you are buying a PC.

Did you see that Ctrl Atl Del for Saturday, I laughed out loud due to that one. We always tease our mac friend so much...

[Heretic Machine]

Yes, the premium 360 has 3 out of the 4. Add the 4th one (HD-DVD player) and you get the exact same price. Oh wait, no, the PS3 has built in wifi. With the 360 that is $100 more.

Except we don't know how much the HD-DVD add-on will be, AND most of us don't want a new movie format. Not to mention that between Blu-ray and HD-DVD, either or both could fail. With the 360, you aren't dedicated to one or the other, the HD-DVD will come out, and if HD-DVD fails then they can release a Blu-ray add-on just as easily.

[ezra]

Everyone that walked out of E3 said they weren't payin' $499 for a PS3. If Wii is $199, people will buy a 360 and that.

With a signature like that, it's hard for me to take anything you say seriously.


Arrogant? Yes, but they have some points. The 360's backwards compatability was very limited (at least compared to full BWC that the ps3 will supposedly have). And like it or not, the ps3 will be,technically, the more technologically advanced console simply because it came out later.

Don't count sony out of this race just yet. Remember that it is going to sell like hotcakes in japan, regardless of what happens this side of the pacific.

[Karas]

Is this forum why PC gamers hate us?

[Heretic Machine]

With a signature like that, it's hard for me to take anything you say seriously.


Arrogant? Yes, but they have some points. The 360's backwards compatability was very limited (at least compared to full BWC that the ps3 will supposedly have). And like it or not, the ps3 will be,technically, the more technologically advanced console simply because it came out later.

Don't count sony out of this race just yet. Remember that it is going to sell like hotcakes in japan, regardless of what happens this site of the pacific.

I'd really love to know how Sony is going to pull off full backwards compatability. People have been working on NES emulators for years and still haven't achieved perfection, this is just the reality of software emulation. Besides that, even the PS2 didn't have full backwards compatability with the PS1, there were several titles that didn't work. How are they going to do better this time, when the task will be so much more difficult?

Don't get me wrong, MS pisses me off with their lack of BC updates. I wouldn't mind not having too many games available to me right now, as long as new ones were added every so often. As it is, there is a rumor going around that the next BC update is coming in October!

[Mason]

Ken Kuteragi - Peter Moore
Cage Match Exstravaganza
$18.95 Hi-def download on winning system!!!

That would almost be better tha girl-on-girl PPV....almost
It could make a interesting flash tho....
No one can take Ken. Did you see him grin during the Sony presentation? You don't smile like that unless you know you could kill everyone else in the room. Whimsically.

[_j_]

The $499 PS3 doesn't have built-in wi-fi. The HDMI is removed too (why the hell would one want to play blueray movies on it then - the drive is kindof worthless then - the regular DVD movies have similar quality compared to the downsampled bluray ones ...)

Also it is funny how Sony removed the vibration feature because they lost the lawsuit and even have to pay $90 millions ot top. And now they pull out of their ass the excuse that the vibration feature affects the tilt feature and that's the reason to ditch it... yeah right, we're stupid and believe you ...

Yes, the premium 360 has 3 out of the 4. Add the 4th one (HD-DVD player) and you get the exact same price. Oh wait, no, the PS3 has built in wifi. With the 360 that is $100 more.

[Kefkataran]

No one can take Ken. Did you see him grin during the Sony presentation? You don't smile like that unless you know you could kill everyone else in the room. Whimsically.

Ken Katarugi is a cold-hearted murderer. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST.

If only we could find a news story that would make that title appropriate. Think how many damned hits EvAv would get from that.

[Watership]

I like Phil Harrison, he always seemed exude sophistication, something that most the other PR guys don't have an abundance of.


I think if Phil Harrison, Peter Moore, and Shigeru Miyamoto were all selling the same system it would see 90% market share :p

I liked Phil, until that "The next generation starts with us" bullshit. I just shook my head. By all accounts, the PS3 isn't that much more advanced than the xbox, yet Sony's exeuctives tried to make it so. Xbox 1.5 etc.

[Vanthar]

I'd really love to know how Sony is going to pull off full backwards compatability. People have been working on NES emulators for years and still haven't achieved perfection, this is just the reality of software emulation. Besides that, even the PS2 didn't have full backwards compatability with the PS1, there were several titles that didn't work. How are they going to do better this time, when the task will be so much more difficult?


They basically put a ps1 inside of the ps2, that's how they got almost full BC on the ps2. We could assume they will do the same for the ps3, the thing is big enough, I would guess putting the ps2 chip in the ps3 would cost them little to nothing as well. If they go the emulator route, I don't see them being able to get any high percentage of games BC at launch. But if you try to say the ps2 had several titles that didn't work.. come on, there were 10-15 at best that didn't work. Sony has done backwards compatibility right (at least so far).

[Mantooth]

Nintendo owned them both without a question in the show but it still remains to be seen if that controller is the big deal Wii hope it is or if its done as poorly as Pants thinks it is. Wii need for a few game sites we respect , AHEM , to get a day or 2 alone with the damn thing and give us a full review on all they experience.

Hands on Wii (http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/09/commentary/game_over/e3_wii_games/index.htm)

[Karas]

Ken Katarugi is a cold-hearted murderer. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST.

If only we could find a news story that would make that title appropriate. Think how many damned hits EvAv would get from that.
God I love this site so much *wipes tear from eye*

P.S.
And Katarugi always did seem like he was hiding something....he probably killed the guy that made the boomarang PS3 controller after ever one laughed at him last E3.

[hund_]

as a pcgamer the only reason i will buy a next gen console is for gears of war.i will buy a 360 but only if lik-sang has a keyboard+mouse converter by this fall.

[Vanthar]

The $499 PS3 doesn't have built-in wi-fi. The HDMI is removed too (why the hell would one want to play blueray movies on it then - the drive is kindof worthless then - the regular DVD movies have similar quality compared to the downsampled bluray ones ...)

And something else very important - the cheaper PS3 has the hardware for the wireless controller support removed! That's right - one is doomed to use wired controllers ... LOL

Also it is funny how Sony removed the vibration feature because they lost the lawsuit and even have to pay $90 millions ot top. And now they pull out of their ass the excuse that the vibration feature affects the tilt feature and that's the reason to ditch it... yeah right, we're stupid and believe you ...

HDMI is not necessary to receive the highest resolution from blu-ray movies. This is an option studios are given to require HDMI to receive the top res. Also, even the turned down res is better than DVD's.

Wireless controller support removed is PURE speculation. I hate that stupid thread that's on top of gametab because people read it and think its fact. The press release said that BOTH versions have bluetooth. Until Sony says otherwise (not what your friend heard from his freind at E3 from a sony rep on the floor), it cannot be regarded as anything but speculation.

I hate having to defend the ps3, but when people try to comment on it knowing only speculation and not being educated on what they're saying. I have to..

[Zanzibar]

Not to turn this political, but that Bush bash was uncalled for. I mean arrogant, have you seen the guy speak?
...Yes. ...and?
'If you're not with us, you're against us'?
'The President has to jawbone OPEC to keep prices down'?
'Yellowcake uranium'?
'These tax breaks for the rich are just what the economy needs'?

Has there ever been anyone who speaks with such arrogant "I know better than you" conviction yet be so utterly wrong time and time again? No.

[[VSK]BadCRC]

as a pcgamer the only reason i will buy a next gen console is for gears of war.i will buy a 360 but only if lik-sang has a keyboard+mouse converter by this fall.

Here's what I don't get.. Why can't you just use a USB mouse and keyboard on these consoles? What happened to that whole idea? I used to use a Microsoft Optical mouse on my PS2, in years past, to play Uneal Tournament. Why is this not a proposed or even a viable solution for these current gen (next-gen) consoles?

[_j_]

I can tell you even now that it won't be fully backwards compatible. All the PS/2 games which used the controller vibration as part of the gameplay won't have it on PS/3. Here goes the full compatibility in the trash ...

Sony will have lots of problems with the emulation too and will end up with something like what the 360 emulation does - not all Xbox titles working and patches needed over time.
But imagine what would happen if Sony admits it ...

So currently they just do what they did - just hype and talk junk ...

What happened to the dual HDMI and dual monitor support they were hyping last year? What happened to the rear USB ports?

Also have you looked at the latest PS/3 controllers? They have 4 leds numbered 1-4 indicating which virtual number is the wireless controller connected to the PS/3. Ha! Why just 4? What about the hype last year that they will have twice the Xbox 360 controllers and the splits screen games which would have 4 split-screen players on each of the two displays connected to the PS/3? LOL

And the nonsense Sony spreading about the PS/3 as a CPU/GPU being more powerful than the 360 ... The cell .... Total bullshit ... The two machines are about equally powerful with the PS3 being much harder to develop for because Sony's tools, sdk, etc. suck monkeys ass. So the software engineers will curse at sony 24/7 ...



I'd really love to know how Sony is going to pull off full backwards compatability. People have been working on NES emulators for years and still haven't achieved perfection, this is just the reality of software emulation. Besides that, even the PS2 didn't have full backwards compatability with the PS1, there were several titles that didn't work. How are they going to do better this time, when the task will be so much more difficult?

[Mantooth]

Has anyone seen any information on what the percentage of PS3 Gimp Editions will be of total PS3s shipped?

[_j_]

No there are no ps2 chips inside the ps3 this time. Trust me on this - I am not guessing, I know it. The backwards compatibility this time is planned as a software emulator just like the Xbox 360 does it. I won't tell you more details but trust me on this ...

They basically put a ps1 inside of the ps2, that's how they got almost full BC on the ps2. We could assume they will do the same for the ps3, the thing is big enough, I would guess putting the ps2 chip in the ps3 would cost them little to nothing as well. If they go the emulator route, I don't see them being able to get any high percentage of games BC at launch. But if you try to say the ps2 had several titles that didn't work.. come on, there were 10-15 at best that didn't work. Sony has done backwards compatibility right (at least so far).

[Bumbuliuz]

Always when I think of Sony I think of the comic I think Ctrl-Alt-Del did. Sony arrogance at it´s highest.

[Chalex]

I liked Phil, until that "The next generation starts with us" bullshit. I just shook my head. By all accounts, the PS3 isn't that much more advanced than the xbox, yet Sony's exeuctives tried to make it so. Xbox 1.5 etc.That's standard PRBS, I'm still waiting on my "lucid dream."

[Chalex]

HDMI is not necessary to receive the highest resolution from blu-ray movies. This is an option studios are given to require HDMI to receive the top res. Also, even the turned down res is better than DVD's.

Thank you from not making me post this AGAIN :o

[Vanthar]

No there are no ps2 chips inside the ps3 this time. Trust me on this - I am not guessing, I know it. The backwards compatibility this time is planned as a software emulator just like the Xbox 360 does it. I won't tell you more details but trust me on this ...

Lol how could you possibly know that.. I'm sorry but I believe next to nothing on the internet as it is, and you expect me to believe you? Sony has ridiculed the 360's poor BC though, so if what you say is true, let's hope Sony has some amazing software emulators working together :P

[DropD98]

I had a hard time justifying the $400+ I spent on my 360/games, that I have no problem in deciding that I would not buy the P$3 at that amount of money. I see absolutely NOTHING at all that justifies me spending that amount of my limited budget on it. I just don't see the real point in having the blu-ray drive in the PS3 yet either. Movie wise, do we really need it? Is there anything they are or have been putting out that would absolutely require the need for Blu-ray? For games, I could see wnating the extra space on disc, but I don't see a lot of movies being shot purely digital and in high definition that it justifies the need for a new dvd format. Am I missing something?

In my opinion, I think it's very arrogant of them to say that they are selling the P$3 too cheaply. I can't think of anyone, short of a very few of my co-workers that could spend that amount of money on this sort of thing. And no one I know even thinks we need blu-ray yet. Value my ass. But hey, if you dig it, and can afford the thing, then more power to ya... I just don't see it...

[Rafer]

BadCRC']Here's what I don't get.. Why can't you just use a USB mouse and keyboard on these consoles? What happened to that whole idea? I used to use a Microsoft Optical mouse on my PS2, in years past, to play Uneal Tournament. Why is this not a proposed or even a viable solution for these current gen (next-gen) consoles?

The upcoming PS2 fps Dirge of Cerberus supports mouse/keyboard too, though I hear it's sloppy and the mouse jerks around a lot if the framerate drops. I don't get why it isn't more common either.

[_j_]

Alright, then just wait until the PS/3 gets on the shelves, then open one and try finding the PS/2 chips ;)

Sorry, that's all I will say. No details. I won't risk my head for few posts on the internet.

How good the emulation will be compared to the 360 one - we'll have to wait and see ... it's all in the hands of the programmers at Sony working on the emulator project ... but writing a 100% compatible software emulator is not easy - especially for the mess the PS/2 machine was and all the tricks the developers had to pull off to get good framerates

Lol how could you possibly know that.. I'm sorry but I believe next to nothing on the internet as it is, and you expect me to believe you? Sony has ridiculed the 360's poor BC though, so if what you say is true, let's hope Sony has some amazing software emulators working together :P

[Nadreck]

There definitely seems to be some confusion going on in pricing, methinks. Earlier in the thread, there was talk of it being only a $100 difference, or not even a difference.

Retail for retail, the price difference between the 360 and the PS3 is $200. The core 360 goes for $299 US, and the full goes for $399 US. The PS3 "core" (more polite than "gimped") is $499 US, with the "full" being $599 US. The only real leg up the PS3 has in value-per-dollar is the Blu-Ray, since the 360 does not natively support either format and would required an add-on at additional money. Otherwise, the difference in features out-of-the-box is negligible. It is worth noting as well that while Microsoft did make a barebones system, every element is upgradeable to match a "full" system. Given some of the elements that are missing between the two versions, I'm not sure this will be the case with Sony.

I'm not trying to bash any company here, but from a fiscal and business standpoint, Sony really dropped the ball on this one, and I strongly suspect come next year's board elections, we'll be seeing some pretty significant shakeup at Sony.

[eth3rton]

It is worth noting as well that while Microsoft did make a barebones system, every element is upgradeable to match a "full" system.


BINGO..! WE HAVE A WINNER...!!!

[AversionFX]

"I think Peter Moore is exactly right. I think Nintendo will be the second system consumers purchase after PlayStation 3."

rofl. Are you fucking kidding me? Who the fuck is going to spend 600$ and then another 250$? The people over at Sony are a bunch of goddamn nutcases.

"I know what Peter was getting at with his price point issue but he's not comparing apples to oranges. He's not even comparing the same kind of food products at all. It's clearly a case that PlayStation 3's price is justified by PlayStation 3's value. That's what consumers base their purchasing decisions on -- value."

They are mis-defining "value," here. Value means "best bang for the buck," and 600$ for a fucking console is not a smart buy. It's not original in the slightest.

What we have in addition to a great game system is a Blue Ray player, a network platform, a new controller, and HDD in every system

1. Expensive =/= great.
2. Key phrase in this entire calamity is "blu ray player."
3. Yeah, you're a little bit late on getting with the network thing.
4. New controller? Yeah, when Nintendo developed it, you cheap fucks.
5. Someone already beat you to the punch on the HDD.

I was really excited about the PS3 (mainly for MGS4), but Sony has their heads so far up their own asses, I have lost practically any enthusiasm I had for them.

[Zanzibar]

Please, merciful God, let Microsoft sell the HD-DVD add-on for $99. Just peel off Sony's Blu-Ray hotpants and fuck them up the ass.

I really, really hate Moore for saying 'We don't need to drop the price, not with the PS3 being $499 and up.' If Microsoft drops the price at Christmastime then the console war will be over. Hell, they shoulda dropped the price $50 the day after Sony announced their prices.

[rein]

Sorry, that's all I will say. No details. I won't risk my head for few posts on the internet.


Risk your head? What are you trying to say here? Wendys is going to be pissed at you for posting missinformation on a video game message board? I call bullshit on your risk. You have posted info in this thread that has already been dissproved on this very site and now you want us to think you have some inside information? :confused:

[Chalex]

Please, merciful God, let Microsoft sell the HD-DVD add-on for $99. Just peel off Sony's Blu-Ray hotpants and fuck them up the ass.

I really, really hate Moore for saying 'We don't need to drop the price, not with the PS3 being $499 and up.' If Microsoft drops the price at Christmastime then the console war will be over. Hell, they shoulda dropped the price $50 the day after Sony announced their prices.I can't beleive for a second that at a $500-$600 price range Sony is losing a penny on any of the systems they will be selling, Microsoft eroding their market share means nothing if they can't do it AND turn a profit.

As big as Microsoft talks about being in this for the long haul they need to turn a profit someday or the board of directors is just going to pull the plug on the project.

[Blade]

The only way Wii could fail, literally, is not enough games.

[AversionFX]

PS.

And frankly I'm amazed that we can do it so cheaply.

I think their logic goes something like this:

If we keep telling them our ridiculously expensive console is actually CHEAP, they might be foolish enough to believe it is, in fact, cheap!

[ElPresidente]

Is this forum why PC gamers hate us?

I'm a PC gamer and I love you all. :P

Seriously though, I write for a PC magazine and you think the console wars get worrying... you should see the threads on our forums any time a staffer or forumer says the word console. The response can be quite disconcerting.

[Nintendo Revolution]

Nintendo stands in the crowd to watch this bloody battle.

[ElPresidente]

...because that is much easier to watch than looking at their market share. ;)

[Goronmon]

I don't really consider the PS3 overpriced. The $500 version basically looks like a 360 premium with a BR player included. Not that bad, IMO.

My problem with the Sony SKUs is that they force you to pay for the next gen format. I own a HDTV and I don't even know if I want to invest in a player for either format. But, I will prolly want a PS3 so I'll prolly end up with a BR player first.

Problem is, how many people will have an HDTV in the next year and/or want to spend $500+ on a new console? And if BR never takes off, people are paying for technology they won't even be using.

All that said, Sony will be fine, if only because so many people are in the Sony camp.

[Kefkataran]

I don't really consider the PS3 overpriced. The $500 version basically looks like a 360 premium with a BR player included. Not that bad, IMO.

IF you want the Blu-Ray player.

All that said, Sony will be fine, if only because so many people are in the Sony camp.

Yeah, even in the unlikely event that they lose a lot of ground in America, they'll still be top gun in Japan.

[Thenetcase]

Yeah, even in the unlikely event that they lose a lot of ground in America, they'll still be top gun in Japan.

And we're all quite aware of how absolutely HUGE Japan is.... Why.. it's enough to keep Sony alive just by itself (if all they sold were cheap ass radios).

-TNC-

[Zeal]

If Microsoft can take America and Europe (which they probably will), Japan won't even be relevant.

[rainbowblack]

as much as i hate sonys assinine statements, we all know that in the end its going to play out like last-gen. this is why sonys arrogant

1.) Sony
2.) MS
3.) Wii

4-5 years from now all of us complainers are going to own a PS3, sad but true

[Kefkataran]

And we're all quite aware of how absolutely HUGE Japan is.... Why.. it's enough to keep Sony alive just by itself (if all they sold were cheap ass radios).

I think it's a bit exagerated to COMPLETELY ignore Japan like that. Love it or hate it, it's still a big video game market that has some sway. Why else would Microsoft keep trying to get soem footing there?

4-5 years from now all of us complainers are going to own a PS3, sad but true

I have no doubt I'll own a PS3 by then. But I'm not convinced this generation will end up exactly the same as last-gen, especially the way both sides keep pushing Wii like they are.

[Goronmon]

IF you want the Blu-Ray player.That was basically my point. People are trying to make it seem like the PS3 is this complete ripoff that is way overpriced. If BR is successful, then Sony will have made the right move. If not, they are kinda screwed unless they release a BR-less version later.

[Chandler]

I'm starting to get the vibe that Sony wants to market this as a computer/console hybrid and if done well the Playstation 3 can be the Amiga of 2006. A user-friendly Linux paired with an open system for homebrew applications and games, can really push the PS3 into a competitor with, as ridiculous as it sounds, Microsoft Windows. Now this is probably crazy but its fun to imagine sometimes. And truthfully if it did happen I want bragging rights for predicting this.

[dena miscreant]

I understand you are upset, but the premium 360 is $100 dollars less then the PS3 that matches all of it's features. Beyond that, carry on.

That is untrue. The downgrade PS3 does not have ANY Wi-Fi capability. Even the core 360 at $299 has this capability.

[Kefkataran]

That was basically my point. People are trying to make it seem like the PS3 is this complete ripoff that is way overpriced. If BR is successful, then Sony will have made the right move. If not, they are kinda screwed unless they release a BR-less version later.

The idea, I think, is that it's a complete rip-off to people who want it for gaming and not for Blu-Ray. But nothing to fix that now, so.

[KamaItachi]

Please, merciful God, let Microsoft sell the HD-DVD add-on for $99. Just peel off Sony's Blu-Ray hotpants and fuck them up the ass.

I really, really hate Moore for saying 'We don't need to drop the price, not with the PS3 being $499 and up.' If Microsoft drops the price at Christmastime then the console war will be over. Hell, they shoulda dropped the price $50 the day after Sony announced their prices.

There probably will be a price drop come Cristmas, but there's no need for one yet while people are still balking at the PS3 price. Once things have settled down and Sony is giving the public more reasons to buy their new platform, MS will counter with an undercut price.

[dena miscreant]

Yes, the premium 360 has 3 out of the 4. Add the 4th one (HD-DVD player) and you get the exact same price. Oh wait, no, the PS3 has built in wifi. With the 360 that is $100 more.

Wi-Fi is built-in with EVERY 360 and you don't HAVE to use the $99 Microsoft Wireless Adapter. There are many third party adapters available, some at $29 or less! The downgrade PS3 has NO Wi-Fi whatsoever. You can't even pay for a wireless adapter to make it work.

[DJuniah]

personally, if i was nintendo i would be happy/annoyed at these comments from sony and MS. Happy for the fact that they are at eachothers throats and not at thiers, yet annoyed that noone treats them as a serious threat. After looking at that poll on gamefaqs yesterday asking which system(s) people plan on buying and the largest percentage (by far) was in the wii only, I really think both sony and MS are in for a surprise.

(p.s. yay for first post)

[dena miscreant]

Not to turn this political, but that Bush bash was uncalled for. I mean arrogant, have you seen the guy speak?


Yea, he's not arrogant! He's too stupid to be arrogant!

He IS making bank right now, though. Even with control of Iraq's oil, our gas prices went UP! Didn't you wonder why? US Gas companies had their own massive supply of oil. Exxon made 99 BILLION in one quarter, 1.1 BILLION of which went to their top CEO. Bush has stock in a gas company or two. Guess which ones.

[dena miscreant]

With the 360, you aren't dedicated to one or the other, the HD-DVD will come out, and if HD-DVD fails then they can release a Blu-ray add-on just as easily.

I think it highly unlikely that Sony would allow their format to be released by their number one competitor.

I agreed with you on everything else, however.

[Goronmon]

Wi-Fi is built-in with EVERY 360 and you don't HAVE to use the $99 Microsoft Wireless Adapter. There are many third party adapters available, some at $29 or less! The downgrade PS3 has NO Wi-Fi whatsoever. You can't even pay for a wireless adapter to make it work.Maybe I am being retarded, but what the fuck are you talking about? Neither 360 has an built-in wi-fi capability. You have to buy an adapter for either version. All it has is a port for an ethernet cable. Which is exactly what the PS3 "Core" has.Thats all you need for the adapter to work.

Unless of course by Wi-fi you meant something completely different than a wireless network connection.

[IndependentGMR]

Why are they bashing Microsoft's backwards compatibility when the PS3 doesn't even have proper memory card slots to carry over saves from PS1 and PS2?

[DarkDaY]

You know, I really, really, REALLY wish everyone would just realize that the systems really mean nothing. What's important is what games come out for the system. All of this BS from all three camps has just gotten completely annoying. Get back to me in three or so years when the systems are all out and all have libraries of games, and THEN we can see what system is good.

good note. all that is true. but, have to admit, even im startin to shake my head at sony, wtf man, you guys are looking like complete fools, it would be different if you ...ps3 wowoed me, ..but nothing even came close to half the shit i saw on 360,. let alone the mighty gears of war.

[dena miscreant]

Maybe I am being retarded, but what the fuck are you talking about? Neither 360 has an built-in wi-fi capability. You have to buy an adapter for either version. All it has is a port for an ethernet cable. Which is exactly what the PS3 "Core" has.Thats all you need for the adapter to work.

Unless of course by Wi-fi you meant something completely different than a wireless network connection.

Even the Core 360 is Wi-Fi capable. The fact that you have to get a 30 dollar adapter to use it doesn't mean it isn't capable of Wi-Fi. The downgrade PS3 is a joke, unless, of course, you don't care about any of those features being included by the good folks who sold you a 500 dollar system.

[dena miscreant]

Why are they bashing Microsoft's backwards compatibility when the PS3 doesn't even have proper memory card slots to carry over saves from PS1 and PS2?

I'll have to research that, but if you're right, I'm gonna be one pissed of muhfucka.

I am not defending the extreme slowness with which Microsoft seems to be translating Xbox games to 360.

[Goronmon]

Even the Core 360 is Wi-Fi capable. The fact that you have to get a 30 dollar adapter to use it doesn't mean it isn't capable of Wi-Fi. The downgrade PS3 is a joke, unless, of course, you don't care about any of those features being included by the good folks who sold you a 500 dollar system.Please explain to me why the PS3 isn't "Wi-Fi capable" by your definition...

[dena miscreant]

Please explain to me why the PS3 isn't "Wi-Fi capable" by your definition...

It is no secret that the $499 PlayStation 3 isn't even "Wi-Fi capable".

[Goronmon]

It is no secret that the $499 PlayStation 3 isn't even "Wi-Fi capable".If the $500 PS3 isn't "Wi-Fi capable" neither is either of the 360 versions. Quit making shit up, seriously.

[ElPresidente]

personally, if i was nintendo i would be happy/annoyed at these comments from sony and MS. Happy for the fact that they are at eachothers throats and not at thiers, yet annoyed that noone treats them as a serious threat. After looking at that poll on gamefaqs yesterday asking which system(s) people plan on buying and the largest percentage (by far) was in the wii only, I really think both sony and MS are in for a surprise.

(p.s. yay for first post)

People who post on game sites are not representative of the broader games buying community. If that were the case then all those polls that saw the Gamecube as being the most popular of the three console before release would have been correct... they weren't.

[Kefkataran]

Happy for the fact that they are at eachothers throats and not at thiers, yet annoyed that noone treats them as a serious threat.

Nintendo has purposefully placed themselves as NOT competing with either of them, so I think they must be insanely happy about this.

[ElPresidente]

That's certainly the PR spin they have put on it but the purchasing public sees Nintendo as another producer of consoles like Sony and Microsoft. Most buyers will chose between a PS3, Wii or 360 whether Nintendo like it or not.

Public perception determines who is in competition with who not the competitors.

[Xerxes]

Nice. It's really interesting to see BOTH Msoft and Sony picking up on this idea that Nintendo is a given and they're really only competing with each other. I think this is exactly what Nintendo wanted...

More like Sony picking up on Microsoft's idea on Nintendo being a given...

[Kefkataran]

More like Sony picking up on Microsoft's idea on Nintendo being a given...

I'm sure someone (like all the consumers) had the idea before Microsoft. ;)

[Xerxes]

I'm sure someone (like all the consumers) had the idea before Microsoft. ;)

But Sony is quoting Peter, not consumers... ;)

[dena miscreant]

If the $500 PS3 isn't "Wi-Fi capable" neither is either of the 360 versions. Quit making shit up, seriously.

:mad:

Listen up, fanboy!

Just because a 300 dollar Xbox 360 has Wi-Fi and your precious gimped 500 dollar PlayStation 3 doesn't, does not give you the right to be so BLATANTLY IGNORANT! GET YOUR EGO THE FUCK OUT OF THIS! All you have to do is look at any credible gaming site to learn this simple information. Have a look at the Definitive PlayStation 3 Summary (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12757) over in the console games forum if you're too lazy.








You'll notice I WROTE IT.


Sorry for the caps. ;)

[grammatoncleric]

I'm kinda sick of the Sony bail out comments like "Oh, Sony will be fine because of all the people in their camp." While most would agree they would have to actively attempt to sabotage themselves to get out of the console race at this point, I don't know what people's definition of "fine" is. If fine is slipping to third, I disagree. If Sony computer entertainment really is the crutch holding up the parts of Sony that are sagging behind I don't know if that's acceptable.

Nintendo had just as many fans in their camp ten years ago and they fell behind nonetheless. To give Sony the benefit of the doubt would be to ignore history and common sense. Sony is taking a lot more risks this generation and it's not easy to predict how those risks will turn out. Banking on HD market penetration, a new disc format, and a 100% price increase over the previous generation's launch isn't a formula for sure fire success.

[dena miscreant]

I see PlayStation 3 succeeding when MGS4 is released, but Blu-Ray failing in the movie department. It's just a hunch. If Betamax can tell us anything, it's that Sony will fuck this up.

EDIT: Sony fucked up Betamax so badly, it's now a verb.


wherein a proprietary technology format is overwhelmed in the market by a format allowing multiple, competing, licensed manufacturers, as in: "Apple Betamaxed themselves out of the PC market."

[Norse]

I wouldn't be surprised if MS have some new packages ready for PS3 launch, something like this:

Basic: $399
Similiar to the old premium but with 100GB HDD

"new" Premium: $499
100GB HDD
Wi-Fi adapter
HD-DVD
Play 'n' Charge kit

[dena miscreant]

MS definitely won't up the price, nor will they package an HD-DVD drive in.

Have you heard an announcement for a 100 GB HDD? Link, please.

[Norse]

MS definitely won't up the price, nor will they package an HD-DVD drive in.

Have you heard an announcement for a 100 GB HDD? Link, please.

Nope, just guessing. My guess is that they will at least release a HDD equal or larger than the PS3's 60GB.

[DarkDaY]

uh. correction ...650 in canada. carry on.or 657whatever

[Xed]

:mad:

Listen up, fanboy!

Just because a 300 dollar Xbox 360 has Wi-Fi and your precious gimped 500 dollar PlayStation 3 doesn't, does not give you the right to be so BLATANTLY IGNORANT! GET YOUR EGO THE FUCK OUT OF THIS! All you have to do is look at any credible gaming site to learn this simple information. Have a look at the Definitive PlayStation 3 Summary (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12757) over in the console games forum if you're too lazy.

You obviously don't understand how this works. No 360 has built-in WiFi. The gimped PS3 doesn't, either. Only the 600$ one has.
But you can use adapters on the 500$ PS3, too, much like the one from MS you need for a 360. There is nothing in place preventing this. You'll just have to hook up a wireless bridge to the ethernet port.

[dena miscreant]

You obviously don't understand how this works. No 360 has built-in WiFi. The gimped PS3 doesn't, either. Only the 600$ one has.
But you can use adapters like the one from MS one the 500$ PS3, too. There is nothing in place preventing this.

Fanboy.

Oh, my. How dare you!

If the 360 doesn't have Wi-Fi, out of the box, why can I connect four wireless controllers to either the core or the premium as soon as I hook up the console? I can even turn my console on for the first time via wireless controller.

The fact that you have to purchase a wireless adapter to connect to the internet (only a microsoft one if you want USB adapter support) doesn't change this fact.

[Chameleo]

the controllers are bluetooth. (on the PS3) bluetooth cannot act as a wireless network adapator. (or am i mistaken?)

i dont know what the 360 does to link its controllers... infa red?

and i think the PS3 is taking a WAAAAY bigger risk than nintendo is with the Wii.

[fitbabits]

GamesInduztry.biz (http://www.gamesindustry.biz) has more details (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=17005).

Sony's Phil Harrison has recommended the purchase of Nintendo Wii as a second console, firing back at recent comments from Microsoft over the pricing structure of the PlayStation 3.

In an interview with US website Gamepro.com, Harrison stated that he believes "Nintendo will be the second system consumers purchase after PlayStation 3," praising the company's innovation but stressing that the Wii is in a different market to the PS3 and effectively describing the next-gen console war as a direct fight between Sony and Microsoft.

"I know what Peter was getting at with his price point issue but he's not comparing apples to oranges," Harrison commented. "It's clearly a case that PlayStation 3's price is justified by PlayStation 3's value. That's what consumers base their purchasing decisions on - value."

----------

"What we have in addition to a great game system is a Blu-Ray player, a network platform, a new controller, and HDD in every system combined in an unbelievably compelling package. And frankly I'm amazed that we can do it so cheaply," Harrison added.
The more Sony talk about the PS3 and try to justify everything related to it, the more desperate they sound.

[Taco]

I'm not sure why the Wii is in a seperate market. Seems to me the Wii and 360 are in one. The PS3 in the other.

[Draft]

They're all in the same market.

Moore's statement, which makes sense, is that you can get a Wii and an X360 for the price of one PS3. Two game systems for the price of one? Good deal, right (I'll hold comment.)

Harrison, aside from sounding like a Moore clone, doesn't really seem to understand how fucking expensive $600 is. "Surprised we can do it so cheaply." What a fucking cock. What's surprising, Harrison, that it's so cheap to trojan horse your propietary media format into the world's living room? That you only have to assrape your customers just a teensy bit to do so?

[ElPresidente]

Dena you are wrong, wrong, wrong.

Wireless controllers are not Wi-Fi.

Here is the definition of Wi-Fi:

Wi-Fi (also WiFi, Wi-fi, Wifi, or wifi) is a brand originally licensed by the Wi-Fi Alliance to describe the underlying technology of wireless local area networks (WLAN) based on the IEEE 802.11 specifications. Wi-Fi is now so pervasive, and the term so generic, that the brand is no longer protected and it appears in Webster's dictionary.

Wi-Fi only refers to networking and networking alone. Wireless controllers do not operate to create a wide area network and hence are not Wi-Fi.

They are just wireless controllers.

The 360 does NOT, I repeat, DOES NOT have Wi-Fi abilities in any system. Plugging in a wireless network adapter makes it Wi-Fi compatible. You can do that with an Xbox or PS2... that does not make either system Wi-Fi.

I know you've been arguing the point but you are arguing incorrect information. I'm sorry.

Oh... and to answer the post in the last question. I'm pretty sure it is radio signals that allow the 360 controllers to communicate with the Xbox, same methodology as used by the Wavebird on the Gamecube.

[Chameleo]

tune in next week for the next exciting update in the world of Console Soap opera wars!

[bapenguin]

tune in next week for the next exciting update in the world of Console Soap opera wars!

word up...yo.

[Reanimated]

They're all in the same market.

Moore's statement, which makes sense, is that you can get a Wii and an X360 for the price of one PS3. Two game systems for the price of one? Good deal, right (I'll hold comment.)

Harrison, aside from sounding like a Moore clone, doesn't really seem to understand how fucking expensive $600 is. "Surprised we can do it so cheaply." What a fucking cock. What's surprising, Harrison, that it's so cheap to trojan horse your propietary media format into the world's living room? That you only have to assrape your customers just a teensy bit to do so?




Shut up and bend over!

/kuturagi

[divinechaos]

FINALLY someone told that kid that Wireless controllers do not use Wifi. If the 360 DOES have Wifi, try connecting to LIVE without plugging anything in, then write a thread on what ur findings were.

As for the Rev, * i refuse to call it Wii* Even though i AM excited about it, i cant really get TOO happy about something that is completely new and will take some time to get used to, controller-wise. After having played Fight Night and Perfect Dark on the 360 i can safely say that i will be getiin a 360 right after the next price drop. The PS3 can fuck itself for another 5 years.

[Heretic Machine]

This is a repost: Wii Won't Be Third (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12750). Different article, same interview. Might wanna merge them.

[EvilBob46]

http://nintendorsed.ytmnd.com/

[fitbabits]

This is a repost: Wii Won't Be Third (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12750). Different article, same interview. Might wanna merge them.
Thankee! Done and done. :)

[Chameleo]

FINALLY someone told that kid that Wireless controllers do not use Wifi. If the 360 DOES have Wifi, try connecting to LIVE without plugging anything in, then write a thread on what ur findings were.

As for the Rev, * i refuse to call it Wii* Even though i AM excited about it, i cant really get TOO happy about something that is completely new and will take some time to get used to, controller-wise. After having played Fight Night and Perfect Dark on the 360 i can safely say that i will be getiin a 360 right after the next price drop. The PS3 can fuck itself for another 5 years.

the Wii will have Wifi and wireless controllers out of the box. dont see nintendo charging $100 for each of those features. unless thats all the Wii is. hahaha

[Taco]

Thankee! Done and done. :)

You blew my mind for a couple secs there.

[fitbabits]

You blew my mind for a couple secs there.
Sorry! I hope it wasn't too painful...

[Taco]

My company will be billing you for the lack of productivity that is sure to ensue.



ouch.

[fitbabits]

My company will be billing you for the lack of productivity that is sure to ensue.



ouch.
Ach! You can't bill me as I'll be moving across the country soon. The bill may get lost in the shuffle.

[thegameguru]

HDMI is not necessary to receive the highest resolution from blu-ray movies. This is an option studios are given to require HDMI to receive the top res. Also, even the turned down res is better than DVD's.

Wireless controller support removed is PURE speculation. I hate that stupid thread that's on top of gametab because people read it and think its fact. The press release said that BOTH versions have bluetooth. Until Sony says otherwise (not what your friend heard from his freind at E3 from a sony rep on the floor), it cannot be regarded as anything but speculation.

I hate having to defend the ps3, but when people try to comment on it knowing only speculation and not being educated on what they're saying. I have to..

This is incorrect actually.. HDMI is needed to output and accept 1080P. Its arguable to just exactly how much 1080P content there will be.. but out the box the $499 PS3 with its Component cables will not output 1080P. Additionally since the Component interface does not have sufficient bandwidth to support 1080P there isnt a display in the world that accepts 1080P via a Component input. Given that there appears to be a Multi AV jack on the back of both PS3 units there (at least in theory) isnt anything to perclude Sony from releasing an HDMI cable to purchase seperately.

Where people get confused is that they think that HDMI is needed to get "HD" from BluRay or HD-DVD.. when in fact since most movie studios have pledged to not enforce the downgrade over analog flag you will get 720P/1080i over Component. (at least for now)

[Xed]

Oh, my. How dare you!

If the 360 doesn't have Wi-Fi, out of the box, why can I connect four wireless controllers to either the core or the premium as soon as I hook up the console? I can even turn my console on for the first time via wireless controller.

The fact that you have to purchase a wireless adapter to connect to the internet (only a microsoft one if you want USB adapter support) doesn't change this fact.
Now you're getting ridiculous. AFAIK, the controller works much like a wireless mouse. This has nothing to do with WiFi as in WLAN, which is what all this is about. If you want that, you need the MS adapter or a WLAN bridge, the latter being the same thing you will need for the gimped PS3.

EDIT: Ah, someone beat me to it...

[AversionFX]

That's certainly the PR spin they have put on it but the purchasing public sees Nintendo as another producer of consoles like Sony and Microsoft. Most buyers will chose between a PS3, Wii or 360 whether Nintendo like it or not.

Public perception determines who is in competition with who not the competitors.

I could be wrong, but i'm pretty sure that a lot of people have a GC along with either of the other two front runners. I have a PS2 and a GC, and never had a desire to grab an Xbox. And I'm positive I'm not the only one.

I'm pretty sure when the PS3 and Wii hit, sooner or later most people are going to have a 360 and a Wii. I mean, you can get a Wii and a 360 for the price of one premium PS3?

I'd say that's pretty cost efficient.

[Reanimated]

Just wanted to stop by and say how great a thread this is. The flames of sony hate seem to be growing. Flame on, my brothers in arms. Flame on.

[Chameleo]

This is incorrect actually.. HDMI is needed to output and accept 1080P. Its arguable to just exactly how much 1080P content there will be.. but out the box the $499 PS3 with its Component cables will not output 1080P. Additionally since the Component interface does not have sufficient bandwidth to support 1080P there isnt a display in the world that accepts 1080P via a Component input. Given that there appears to be a Multi AV jack on the back of both PS3 units there (at least in theory) isnt anything to perclude Sony from releasing an HDMI cable to purchase seperately.

Where people get confused is that they think that HDMI is needed to get "HD" from BluRay or HD-DVD.. when in fact since most movie studios have pledged to not enforce the downgrade over analog flag you will get 720P/1080i over Component. (at least for now)

there is already 1 TV on the market that can do 1080P over component and there are sure to be more by the PS3 launch. HDMI is NOT needed for 1080P.

*shrug*

just repeating what other forum members have been saying the past week.

[alienhead]

However you feel about Sony or Microsoft, this looks win-win for Nintendo.

[Xed]

@dk: Yeah, apparently 1080p over component is possible. But if there is only 1 TV out there that can do it atm (there may be a couple more by the PS3 launch as you said, but I'm not so sure about that. "1080p over component" just doesn't look like a major selling point to me.), most people will only be able to get 1080i over component.
I doubt that there will be very much 1080p content anyway.

[Balthasar]

And something else very important - the cheaper PS3 has the hardware for the wireless controller support removed! That's right - one is doomed to use wired controllers ... LOL
Since when? That article hasn't been shown to be valid.

[Balthasar]

This is incorrect actually.. HDMI is needed to output and accept 1080P.
And that, sir, is incorrect. Component can most certainly deliver 1080p content. It looks better on HDMI, obviously, but where you are getting that component isn't capable of 1080p is beyond me.

[Johan]

...The only real leg up the PS3 has in value-per-dollar is the Blu-Ray, since the 360 does not natively support either format and would required an add-on at additional money. Otherwise, the difference in features out-of-the-box is negligible. It is worth noting as well that while Microsoft did make a barebones system, every element is upgradeable to match a "full" system. Given some of the elements that are missing between the two versions, I'm not sure this will be the case with Sony...

Nadreck, I totally agree and have been posting this same fact on several related threads. I prefer the approach of the 360, which is initially cheaper and allows the consumer to decide which format to support with an accessory, AFTER the format wars are over and there is a clear winner. I don't understand why anyone would be excited about being forced to accept Blu-ray as part of the PS3 deal, and at your own expense! Sony isn't forcing anyone to buy the PS3, but they ARE forcing a format, in order to suck up licensing fees for the forseeable future from disks and players using their proprietary Blu-ray technology. I don't like it at all...

[Goronmon]

I know you've been arguing the point but you are arguing incorrect information. I'm sorry.Thanks for taking the time to explain Wi-Fi, it was like 3am when I was posting last night and I was too tired to make such a big post. ;)

[dena miscreant]

I know you've been arguing the point but you are arguing incorrect information. I'm sorry.


<----Is NOT the definition of "tech saavy".

Okay, my bad. Thought wireless and wi-fi were interchangeable.

[thegameguru]

And that, sir, is incorrect. Component can most certainly deliver 1080p content. It looks better on HDMI, obviously, but where you are getting that component isn't capable of 1080p is beyond me.

While in theory that is correct there are perhaps a handful of displays that will take a 1080P signal from a component source.. let alone output one. additionally there isnt a source in the world that will allow 1080P via component..simply because there wasnt a need for it (I guess up until now).

1080P is above the official specs for Component (1080i/60fps is the highest officially supported)

I guess if your getting nitpicky one could say that sure the Analog input will take a 1080P signal from a source... but in fact its downrezing to 1080i.. thats cheating though.

[Balthasar]

While in theory that is correct there are perhaps a handful of displays that will take a 1080P signal from a component source.. let alone output one. additionally there isnt a source in the world that will allow 1080P via component..simply because there wasnt a need for it (I guess up until now).
What you're also skipping is that there are maybe just as many gamers, if not less, that even own a tv capable of 1080p.