Carmack Talks Playstation 3

[Karas]

This report on G4tv's '06 E3 coverage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PFUw29U4J8&search=PS3%20Carmack) between Geoff Keighley (albiet slightly annoying) co-host and John Carmack, one of the gaming industries most respected developers clears up all the corporate B.S. And hopefully lays all the fanboy bitching to rest once and for all.

And heres a link to the full interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW3Fh_ockT0&search=PS3%20Carmack) where he talks about his new game "Quake Wars" and umm.. Megatextures (also better quality).

No matter what problems and lies the companies tell It seems that Mr. Carmack always come to the gamers rescue.

[JazGalaxy]

That was a really stupid and frustrating interview. It's like the interviewer wanted to keep him from speaking technically because that might "lose the audiance" so whenever Carmack started answering the question, the guy kept cutting him off.

It's a freaking videogame show. We WANT him to talk technically.

Incidently, Carmack doesn't look like a nerd until he starts talking. As soon as he opens his mouth I'm like "maaan.. must beat up... on principle..."

[Vanthar]

Cool interview. The inverviewer was an idiot, but not much you can do about that.

Anyone else like the Quake Wars defibrillator scene?

Oh and I'm pretty sure he said PS3 is more powerful than 360 and wins this gen...


jp.

[Wslove]

What he basically said was what he's been saying since the tech specs for both consoles was released.

PS3 has a theoretical peak performance greater then that of the 360 but is an absolute bitch to program for, even more so when trying to tap that performance.

While the 360 is far easier to program for, but it's peak performance is less.

And in the end it all comes out in the wash, since 3rd party games are going to look the same on both systems it's going to come down to which company produces the excusives more to your taste. Or budget, since the price may not equal the value for some, or most people, especially when you consider that the majority of the games will look the same on both systems.

On another note I want to punch the asshole that was giving the interview. You let Carmack talk, goddamn you! He is no mere man, he is a force of nature when it comes to writing code!

John Carmack was born with a compiler in each hand.

English isn't John Carmack's first language, assembly is.

*instert another Chuck Norris-ish John Carmack fact here*

[Zeal]

Oh yeah, I watched this. The host was owned by Carmack.

[Kefkataran]

Despite Zeal's stupid use of the word 'fag' (God, I'm so tempted to edit his post, but I figure that'd maybe be abusing my power), I agree. It's obvious that the host has no fucking clue what Carmack's talking about.

[bean19]

Despite Zeal's stupid use of the word 'fag' (God, I'm so tempted to edit his post, but I figure that'd maybe be abusing my power), I agree. It's obvious that the host has no fucking clue what Carmack's talking about.

Kefkatran and Carmack are gay lovers. ;)

On topic: Wslove is right. Nothing new here. The games will look similar, and the standout exclusives where developers show great love for the systems will look awesome.

Buy all 3 systems if you can afford them. If you can't, choose the system that has the best games (in your opinion) and buy it, then wait for the other systems to become affordable.

[nxmehta]

Seriously, that interviewer needs to STFU and let the man speak! Carmack was given enough time to talk about the basic idea behind the problem (hand coding of the SPEs on the Cell to do anything useful, thanks a lot IBM!), but as soon as he started getting to the good stuff this bastard cut him off.

Honestly though, I've had a chance to look at the tools that IBM is shipping with the Cell, and make no mistake: it's a goddamned mess. The "octopiler" was just an afterthought. The only people in the world who are dedicated/loony enough to try and program this thing given the state of the compiler are game developers, and IBM/Sony knew this from the very start.

[DarkDaY]

fanboy go home, pay attention, peak preformance means.....what? a little extra power...and...its theorteical? end of story, what he said is (read between the lines, there clese enuff thats its relative., but the 360 will produce better results and be much more dev freindly) so..smarten up, pay attention, carmack as spoken.

[Wasson_]

How does that guy not have taped up glasses? Just listen to the way he talks and looks...50 bucks says he's makin a shrink ray up in his attic. that can also make things bigger...how else do they get MEGAtextures?

[dena miscreant]

Kefkatran and Carmack are gay lovers. ;)


I'm not the only one offended. You don't have to be gay to have respect for people. I have plenty of homosexual friends, all of which would surely appreciate the editing of hateful bigotry on a public forum.

You even have an excuse. It was supposed to be "fag's".

[bean19]

I'm not the only one offended. You don't have to be gay to have respect for people. I have plenty of homosexual friends, all of which would surely appreciate the editing of hateful bigotry on a public forum.

dena miscreant - Uhm. . . bit of an inside joke (notice the emote) - not an attack on gays. My sister is gay and I abhor bigotry.

[dena miscreant]

Oh, I didn't take offense to yours, I just used you to make my point, I apologize. Guess I should take out the quote, though, as it is an inside joke I was unaware of.

LOL, I don't talk like that in real life.

[captainstrombosis]

Lighten up. Have to make fun of gay people if your gonna treat them equally ;) I get made fun of, they get made fun of. No bid deal.

[Wasson_]

NO NO NO...every time someone says the word "Fag" it's overt intentional hatred directed towards homosexulas!!!!11!

[motor]

This is pretty much what I and the other game developers who post to this site have said for months and months. The two machines are very close in average use, if someone kills themselves the PS3 will look somewhat better. Will anyone be able to afford it (and by afford it I mean put in the extra dev time required)? The real question is: Will Unreal do it? Since that will be the engine that tons of games are based on this generation. If Unreal on the PS3 is substantially better then Unreal on the 360, then a lot of game will look better on the PS3, otherwise, the answer is, other then a few big big big games, no.

[anopolis]

back to the point before everyone gets all blubbery and misty eyed .. John rules . dangit

[sTubbs]

Despite Zeal's stupid use of the word 'fag' (God, I'm so tempted to edit his post, but I figure that'd maybe be abusing my power), I agree. It's obvious that the host has no fucking clue what Carmack's talking about.

I just reported his post with an eloquent message, so perhaps you could be justified in editing it now.


I agree with the consensus about the video. The interviewer seriously needed to be gagged. I would have loved to hear Carmack talk in detail about his thoughts on the new consoles. Sure he was saying nothing particularly new - PS3 has slightly more peak power, 360 is easier to program for - but I still want to hear his opinions.

Also, I remember a while back Carmack said something about how he was going to start developing primarily for the 360, or that the 360 would at least be the console he would support throughout this generation. Does anyone have that quote?
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[Kefkataran]

every time someone says the word "Fag" it's overt intentional hatred directed towards homosexulas!!!!11!

Actually, every time someone says the word "fag" it's an unintended show of their lack of intelligence.


I just reported his post with an eloquent message, so perhaps you could be justified in editing it now.

Oh boy... *rubs hands together* Stubbs, you get bonus points as well.

[bean19]

Oh, I didn't take offense to yours, I just used you to make my point, I apologize. Guess I should take out the quote, though, as it is an inside joke I was unaware of.

LOL, I don't talk like that in real life.

It's cool. Believe me, if you stick around even a little while you'll see Kefkatran, fitbabits, and Kelegacy talking dirty to each other.

[anopolis]

its a bloody WORD who cares!! It's not like somebody got thier next birthday taken away. Move on, gay and straight people alike will live to see another day,

[Kefkataran]

It's cool. Believe me, if you stick around even a little while you'll see Kefkatran, fitbabits, and Kelegacy talking dirty to each other.

Hey, man, quit cramping my style.

its a bloody WORD who cares!! It's not like somebody got thier next birthday taken away. Move on, gay and straight people alike will live to see another day,

*yawn*

I EAT BABIES AND DESERVE THE BANHAMMER.

Oh, Zeal! You crack me up!

[captainstrombosis]

*edited* So like heeey...how you doin?...good...good.

[dena miscreant]

It's cool. Believe me, if you stick around even a little while you'll see Kefkatran, fitbabits, and Kelegacy talking dirty to each other.

Roger. That's a definite 10-4 on the lol.

[MORGiON]

Just wondering where the legion of Sony haters are today???
I thought this one might have got their hackles up

[dena miscreant]

They're still staggering from the critical hit I landed.

[sTubbs]

Oh boy... *rubs hands together* Stubbs, you get bonus points as well.

Bonus points! Hooray! I would hug you but I do not want Zeal's head to explode.

As for the post edit, it was wonderful. Oh Zeal, eating babies is so very very wrong. When will you ever learn? I know, when the Banhammer brings the pain!
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[dena miscreant]

Baby eating doesn't offend me. Maybe it should... lol

[Inglorion]

That was a really stupid and frustrating interview. It's like the interviewer wanted to keep him from speaking technically because that might "lose the audiance" so whenever Carmack started answering the question, the guy kept cutting him off.
I was about to write just that. :)

I like the way Carmack is honest though; he's not in any way bashing Nintendo, but says right out that it lacks the graphical capabilities of the others and that it's not quite for them (id.)

[Karkian]

Just let the man talk! The interviewer sat there most of the time gurning like a fucking chimp. I'm no techie but what Carmack said did pretty much just echo what everyone's been saying in one way or another for months, just in a single reasonable statement. And he's John Carmack.

I really didn't like the way he let Carmack talk about QuakeWars for about 30 seconds then at the first opportunity it was just THE RATINGS GOD DEMANDS CONTROVERSY!

[Samo Umer]

The Carmack said what the elders knew all along.

The Cell is to me nothing more than a marketing department concoction to fool the various "tech" journalists is papers like the WSJ, Forbes... etc. 9 cores supercomputer... gimme a break...

comp. history shows us that performance/product yealds are on a steady decline. e.g. doom yielded more out of the 386, than doom3 does with a let's say dual core. Processing power is wasted in order to facilitate higher productivity and faster dev. cycles. The Cell can yield and deliver ONLY if PS3 dominates and the sony grip forces the developers to compete within the PS3 monopoly (as PS2 did). otherwise it is a vasty inferior processor than a "simple" symetrical 3-core powerPC.

[slink-jadranko]

Also, I remember a while back Carmack said something about how he was going to start developing primarily for the 360, or that the 360 would at least be the console he would support throughout this generation. Does anyone have that quote?
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Did that not come up in his QuakeCon keynote address last? I think that was it, as I ended up watching it. It was like Geek Heaven.
I can still never get over how much a fucking genius Carnack is. I just wish that they could put his talent to better use on their first party games as it were. Doom3 was an amazing engine but I was disappointed by the game in the end. Quake Wars could be fun though, and I definitely love the MegaTextures work.

[ElectroDruid]

So, is there an interview or article in existence in which Carmack gets a chance to explain this Megatexture thing? I'm kinda curious to find out what it's all about and the interviewer wasn't very helpful.

[reimomo]

its a bloody WORD who cares!! It's not like somebody got thier next birthday taken away. Move on, gay and straight people alike will live to see another day,

There are places in the USA where the word "nigger" is used as an adjective... hateful speech is hateful speech.

[Fyd]

karmack sux since Doom3.....doom3, big shit :)

[TheEpicOfTyler]

I always pictured Carmack as kind of a manly man of some sort, but he's just a scrawny geek, ain't he?

[GunnyMo]

Incidently, Carmack doesn't look like a nerd until he starts talking. As soon as he opens his mouth I'm like "maaan.. must beat up... on principle..."

You realize you are a nerd talking on a forum with other nerds about nerd type material, right? The term nerd has no insult value any more as we are all nerds and, let's face it, nerds rule the world now. Jocks are relegated to lockerrooms and repressed homosexuality. :D

I thought it was a good interview though. Carmack is one smart s.o.b. The G4 interviewer was annoying though. Of course, everything about G4 is annoying so it's not suprising.

[HumpYourWay]

What I like most about this video is that when Carmack starts bitching about the Wii the video suddenly stops. Hehe

[Karkian]

So, is there an interview or article in existence in which Carmack gets a chance to explain this Megatexture thing? I'm kinda curious to find out what it's all about and the interviewer wasn't very helpful.

There's an interview with some guy from Splash Damage here (http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/video_player/popup.php?sid=6150902&pid=928340&set_prefs=1&rgroup=e32006_live) (uk.gamespot.com) who explains it IIRC. Also talks about the way the game attempts to encourage teams to work together towards set goals rather than just leaving them to get lost like BF2.

Edit: ALSO! Being able to convert fallen marines into strogg that players can spawn into on the front lines! Don't ask why that excites me so much.

[Citizen Philip]

What I like most about this video is that when Carmack starts bitching about the Wii the video suddenly stops. Hehe

I believe gamers are a geek sub-species, but programmers are a nerd strain. I've lent my sub-classifications of human species out so I can't confirm that for you.

Theoretical (sp) issues asides, it sounds like the PS3 has a steeper learning curve, which will probably be an issue for the first released titles.

[Banacek]

The political correctness on this board makes me nauseous sometimes...

[saran_js]

What he basically said was what he's been saying since the tech specs for both consoles was released.

PS3 has a theoretical peak performance greater then that of the 360 but is an absolute bitch to program for, even more so when trying to tap that performance.

While the 360 is far easier to program for, but it's peak performance is less.

And in the end it all comes out in the wash, since 3rd party games are going to look the same on both systems it's going to come down to which company produces the excusives more to your taste. Or budget, since the price may not equal the value for some, or most people, especially when you consider that the majority of the games will look the same on both systems.

<Edit>

John Carmack was born with a compiler in each hand.

English isn't John Carmack's first language, assembly is.

*instert another Chuck Norris-ish John Carmack fact here*

Hmm, these statements coming from a man who probably couldn't write intelligent AI code to save his life.
Truly, he should really put up or shut up. This guy is all about graphics and nothing to do with gameplay or story.
He should just stick to single threaded / SMP programming because to me, he sounds like a whiner and is being surpassed by others who don't seem to have any issues wrapping their brains around the concept of multi-threaded programming or MPP programming concepts, and making things work on a platform which is relatively new.

All we ever hear from people today, is excuses, whining, complaints and hate.Whatever happened to the pioneer spirit of going in and just doing it, the ability to persevere in the face of hardships, the desire and ability to explore different ways of doing things. If you ask me, I'd have to say that programmers today are darn right lazy and freaking stupid except for a select few and even some of these select few are loosing the ability to think outside the box, to rise above all and achieve what was said to be impossible.

Seems to me that JC just doesn't want to give this new architecture a try or even a go. He seems to be too complacent to me. Tim Sweeney doesn't seem to have a problem with this, so why does JC have such huge issues ?
Could it be lazyness ?

:(

[Kefkataran]

The political correctness on this board makes me nauseous sometimes...

Ah, the irony of whining about whininess. Whatever. If people can't grow a bigger vocabulary, they don't need to be trying to show it off on the web.

[Xerxes]

Hmm, these statements coming from a man who probably couldn't write intelligent AI code to save his life.
Truly, he should really put up or shut up. This guy is all about graphics and nothing to do with gameplay or story.
He should just stick to single threaded / SMP programming because to me, he sounds like a whiner and is being surpassed by others who don't seem to have any issues wrapping their brains around the concept of multi-threaded programming or MPP programming concepts, and making things work on a platform which is relatively new.

All we ever hear from people today, is excuses, whining, complaints and hate.Whatever happened to the pioneer spirit of going in and just doing it, the ability to persevere in the face of hardships, the desire and ability to explore different ways of doing things. If you ask me, I'd have to say that programmers today are darn right lazy and freaking stupid except for a select few and even some of these select few are loosing the ability to think outside the box, to rise above all and achieve what was said to be impossible.

Seems to me that JC just doesn't want to give this new architecture a try or even a go. He seems to be too complacent to me. Tim Sweeney doesn't seem to have a problem with this, so why does JC have such huge issues ?
Could it be lazyness ?

:(

He doesn't sound like a whiner and even the X360's architecture is different. It's just PS3 went a little past the norm of multithreaded design. He stated quite clearly(when he got a word in) on how they both are setup. Asymetrical vs symetrical, number of processors, what does which tasks. Tim Sweeny said it was easy to program for the ps3. John never said it wasn't easy to program for just that you couldn't reach the peak as easy. Tim isn't going for the peek, he's going crossplatforms.

[TheFlyingOrc]

I've thought of Id as an irrelevant company for some time now. It seems to me that Epic is doing their old job.

-TFO

[BabyJesus]

Hmm, these statements coming from a man who probably couldn't write intelligent AI code to save his life.
Truly, he should really put up or shut up. This guy is all about graphics and nothing to do with gameplay or story.
He should just stick to single threaded / SMP programming because to me, he sounds like a whiner and is being surpassed by others who don't seem to have any issues wrapping their brains around the concept of multi-threaded programming or MPP programming concepts, and making things work on a platform which is relatively new.

All we ever hear from people today, is excuses, whining, complaints and hate.Whatever happened to the pioneer spirit of going in and just doing it, the ability to persevere in the face of hardships, the desire and ability to explore different ways of doing things. If you ask me, I'd have to say that programmers today are darn right lazy and freaking stupid except for a select few and even some of these select few are loosing the ability to think outside the box, to rise above all and achieve what was said to be impossible.

Seems to me that JC just doesn't want to give this new architecture a try or even a go. He seems to be too complacent to me. Tim Sweeney doesn't seem to have a problem with this, so why does JC have such huge issues ?
Could it be lazyness ?

:(

He isn't about graphics, he is about the engine of the game. Graphics are just a by product of the engines he has been developing for years. Had it not been for Quake how many great and no so great games would we be missing now? Sure Doom 3 is a game of questionable quality but the engine is very nice and some of the graphics and geometry in some areas of the game were great. Quake Wars looks kickass too....

[51|RandoM]

I get really tired of the, "I can use this word because it describes me, but you can't use it because you're not one of us" mentality. Every other sentence out of the mouths of the gay people I know contains the word "gay" and they don't seem to have any issue with it. Run into the Internet pc police though and use the word and you're automatically hating.

Same goes for the N word. I don't ever feel the need to use that word myself, but I hear it all the time on the subway, on the street, on tv from the people it refers to.

Honestly, if you can't show respect for yourself and the other members of whatever group you're in, don't expect anybody else to either.

[Wslove]

{Snip}
Seems to me that JC just doesn't want to give this new architecture a try or even a go. He seems to be too complacent to me. Tim Sweeney doesn't seem to have a problem with this, so why does JC have such huge issues ?
Could it be lazyness ?

:(

Funny, because if lazy is bringing along high level programming theory and practice books when you go on vacation I would love to hear your definition of hard worker.

[Pretzel]

Seems to me that JC just doesn't want to give this new architecture a try or even a go. He seems to be too complacent to me. Tim Sweeney doesn't seem to have a problem with this, so why does JC have such huge issues ?
Could it be lazyness ?

:(

Or it could be that Tim Sweeney is mainly a PR person these days who speaks mainly to sell their engine to third parties. Carmack doesn't care about licensing and focuses on engine tech. He's a engineering purist who speaks honestly about what he thinks of the hardware he works with. id's renderers are exclusively programmed by him.

Sweeney's a smart guy, but he has a team of programmers behind him writing Epic's engine while he goes around talking to press and getting licensees. He doesn't talk about the difficulty in programming for the PS3 because it doesn't help him sell his engine to developers. Sony is not likely to encourage licensing the Unreal 3 engine if he's going around saying bad things about the PS3.

That said, the Unreal 3 engine looks great and I think we'll see a hell of a lot of good games from it. I think Carmack could learn a thing or two from how Epic has approached things. He definitely isn't lazy or a whiner, though.

[Jack B]

Hmm, these statements coming from a man who probably couldn't write intelligent AI code to save his life.
Truly, he should really put up or shut up. This guy is all about graphics and nothing to do with gameplay or story.
He should just stick to single threaded / SMP programming because to me, he sounds like a whiner and is being surpassed by others who don't seem to have any issues wrapping their brains around the concept of multi-threaded programming or MPP programming concepts, and making things work on a platform which is relatively new.

All we ever hear from people today, is excuses, whining, complaints and hate.Whatever happened to the pioneer spirit of going in and just doing it, the ability to persevere in the face of hardships, the desire and ability to explore different ways of doing things. If you ask me, I'd have to say that programmers today are darn right lazy and freaking stupid except for a select few and even some of these select few are loosing the ability to think outside the box, to rise above all and achieve what was said to be impossible.

Seems to me that JC just doesn't want to give this new architecture a try or even a go. He seems to be too complacent to me. Tim Sweeney doesn't seem to have a problem with this, so why does JC have such huge issues ?
Could it be lazyness ?

:(

That's exactly what Kutaragi said! I tend to agree with Carmack, but Kutargi has his fans too... :)

I've heard from more than just Carmack, that the PS3 is more difficult to develop for... Getting Sony console titles approved still requires Sony's blessing, so pissing them off takes some brass balls. In the PC market you don't have this dynamic, but the console market is different. You must get approval, so being politically correct is helpful...

I don't think Carmack really cares that much about pleasing Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo... He's telling it like it is, although he's not overly bashing any console.

The Wii is very underpowered. More than the Gamecube? Yes. Great controller, hmmm maybe for some games, not all. The Wii may make a splash, but graphics and adult subject matter do matter for me. I'm not going to spend the majority of time playing games with cartoon characters and Red Steel is not going to stand up to Gears or War or Resistance.

I may pick up the Wii for party games at Barbecue's and Thanksgiving for a change of pace, but not for serious gaming. I'm not the Wii's demographic.

The PS3 does not have the Dev tools, that Microsoft has provided. Dev tools are something Microsoft has much more experieince over than say Sony (a hardware manf). The specs for the PS3 have been exagerated, but still seem to be slightly better than the 360's, but I believe Carmack's point is a reality.

If it takes a lot more time to squeeze out the theoretical power, will the business models justify it? I doubt it. Developing for the Next is expensive. A select few titles maybe, but other titles will be delayed or not made at all due to the higher costs. Likely Sony developed titles are the most likely or maybe something like MGS4, but Sony had 1,000 or more titles last Gen and 99% won't take advantage, since it will be too expensive. And who will pay the price for the extra dev time? It's a real gamble.

IMHO, Microsoft has an edge in this Gen from a game developers perspective, which translates to the question the VP of Opps or CFO/CEO's question, "How much more will it cost us to develop the same title on the PS3 vs the PC/360...?"

CEO, "Will we sell that many more copies on the PS3? Hmmm, so there are 3 times as many 360's/PC's owners eh? Oh, well if it's going to cost that much more on the PS3, then maybe we need to charge more for each PS3 copy or just develop for the 360/PC or pray like hell the PS3 version sells really really well.".

[Jack B]

Funny, because if lazy is bringing along high level programming theory and practice books when you go on vacation I would love to hear your definition of hard worker.

Good one! :D

[Zanzibar]

He doesn't sound like a whiner and even the X360's architecture is different. It's just PS3 went a little past the norm of multithreaded design. He stated quite clearly(when he got a word in) on how they both are setup. Asymetrical vs symetrical, number of processors, what does which tasks. Tim Sweeny said it was easy to program for the ps3. John never said it wasn't easy to program for just that you couldn't reach the peak as easy. Tim isn't going for the peek, he's going crossplatforms.
Apparently I saw a different interview. Carmack uses the term 'sweating bullets' TWICE when referring to programming for the PS3, and even calls the Cell architecture 'a mistake.' Saying 'John never said it wasn't easy to program for' in the face of those quotes is pretty disengenuous, dontcha think?

[ruceree88]

John Carmack has allready pledged his support to the X360. He likes the 360 because from a programming view it's similar architecture to a PC.

He's a PC coder first. Everything else is second.

[Vanthar]

Yeah he is majorly biased towards typical pc programming methods, which is to be expected.. seeing as it's what he's done for the last however many years.

[Zeal]

fag is only offensive if taken literally. get a life.

[Kefkataran]

Don't make me fuck with your post again. Get a vocabulary. You'd get banned if you used a racial slur, so I see no reason personally to act differently about this.

[Xerxes]

Apparently I saw a different interview. Carmack uses the term 'sweating bullets' TWICE when referring to programming for the PS3, and even calls the Cell architecture 'a mistake.' Saying 'John never said it wasn't easy to program for' in the face of those quotes is pretty disengenuous, dontcha think?

Maybe I said it wrong. But U3 engine, it's not touching the max of Ps3. Tim said it's easy because he's doing the base with it. He plugged his scalable engine on Ps3, and goes around saying good things about the U3 engine to sell it to everybody. John may have made statements against it overall but he never said it wasn't easy.

[jonat3]

Maybe I said it wrong. But U3 engine, it's not touching the max of Ps3. Tim said it's easy because he's doing the base with it. He plugged his scalable engine on Ps3, and goes around saying good things about the U3 engine to sell it to everybody. John may have made statements against it overall but he never said it wasn't easy.

Are you willing to tell me that "sweating bullets" means something else from "difficult"? Because that's what you are saying.

[Xerxes]

Damn you, now I have to watch this shitty interview again, to see what was said. Someone needs to edit the interviewer out...

[Xerxes]

I swear that interviewer is J Allard. Atleast of the same mold. Anyways, pay attention. He said you'd sweat bullets trying to juice it. Taking advantage of all its worth is where game developers would sweat bullets. Like I said he didn't say it was or wasn't easy to get a run of the mill next gen game on it. He didn't say a Quake Wars would put his nuts in a vice. Now juicing all the cell processors might.

[jonat3]

I swear that interviewer is J Allard. Atleast of the same mold. Anyways, pay attention. He said you'd sweat bullets trying to juice it. Taking advantage of all its worth is where game developers would sweat bullets. Like I said he didn't say it was or wasn't easy to get a run of the mill next gen game on it. He didn't say a Quake Wars would put his nuts in a vice. Now juicing all the cell processors might.

I did pay attention. He also said in addition that game developement for the PS3 would be TWICE as difficult as it should be.

Face it. Carmack is saying that the PS3 is a bitch to program for.

[Banacek]

Don't make me fuck with your post again. Get a vocabulary. You'd get banned if you used a racial slur, so I see no reason personally to act differently about this.

You should ban "motherfucker" and "cocksucker" while your at it, since they're both used because of hate. Wait, there's more offensive words then just those. What to do, what to do...

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3247/bookburning3ke.gif

[GunnyMo]

You should ban "motherfucker" and "cocksucker" while your at it, since they're both used because of hate. Wait, there's more offensive words then just those. What to do, what to do...

lol I beg to differ. Cocksucker can be used very affectionatly. :p

[Kefkataran]

lol I beg to differ. Cocksucker can be used very affectionatly.

So can motherfucker, as it were.

Banacek -- banning if you use a racial slur has been in effect here for as long as I can remember. As far as I'm concerned (and I am definitely NOT saying this is the opinion all the rednames share, because I have no clue what the other guys think), 'fag' is just as bad as a racial slur. Nevertheless, I didn't even come close to banning Zeal. I just played with his post some. It's an internet forum. Lighten up. And if you think we're being "OMFG too politically correct" because I personally want people to find better ways of expressing themselves than saying, "FAGZ", then there's plenty of forums on the net where that's common practice. Might I suggest GameFAQs?

[GunnyMo]

The Pinky is in agreement with you, Kef. One thing I've always enjoyed about EA is that even though we destroy each other verbally every day it is usually done with a modicum (mostly) of respect and intelligence. The twelve year olds who think using the word "fag" or "gay" to describe everything tend to either not be here or disappear pretty quick.

I couldn't give a rat's ass about racial slurs as I think the word is only as strong as the person hearing it believes it is and, for me, they have no strength. However, I do agree that it should not be acceptable at EA.

And if you think we're being "OMFG too politically correct" because I personally want people to find better ways of expressing themselves than saying, "FAGZ", then there's plenty of forums on the net where that's common practice.

100% well said.

[Kefkataran]

Thanks for the support. This is all terribly off-topic, though, huh?

Here, I'll fix it: So, uh... how about that Carmack fella? Yup.

[GunnyMo]

lol but very typical for an EA thread, eh? If a topic in our forums doesn't go from one end of one bizarre spectrum to another and then completely turn around and start insulting goats and bearded hippies I would be very disappointed.

[Chimp]

I've been lurking on AE for a couple of years or so, and never post. In fact, I only registered a few weeks ago.

Is it me, or have the mods started posting way too much? It seems like every thread has mods interjecting way too much into them. Maybe I just more sensitive to it, but it seems to ahve ramped up in the last few months...

[fitbabits]

Chiming in as a redname here - racism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc. are all bannable offenses. If you find this unfair or uncomfortable, then I suggest you move on elsewhere. As Kef said, there are plenty more places out there that are willing to accept racist, homophobic, xenphobic, etc. slurs.

[fitbabits]

I've been lurking on AE for a couple of years or so, and never post. In fact, I only registered a few weeks ago.

Is it me, or have the mods started posting way too much? It seems like every thread has mods interjecting way too much into them. Maybe I just more sensitive to it, but it seems to ahve ramped up in the last few months...
It's a community. Does the fact that I'm a mod or admin mean that I shouldn't post when I have something to say? I was a subscriber long before I was a redname.

Oh, and welcome to EvAv.

[GunnyMo]

Glad they are picking on rednames. I guess it is a matter of time before the pinkies are singled out. Solidarity, Pink Sisters!

[blackzc]

I love carmack. not in the gay way...not that there is anything wrong with being ga....uh homosexual. But i would love to hang out with him, ya know not to like, dinner, but to play games but if someone did what to do that...(dinner) that would be okay to becuase all homosexual people are completly ok and have no issues whatsoever. they are completly normal and happy, and happy is whats important. :)

[fitbabits]

I love carmack. not in the gay way...not that there is anything wrong with being ga....uh homosexual. But i would love to hang out with him, ya know not to like, dinner, but to play games but if someone did what to do that...(dinner) that would be okay to becuase all homosexual people are completly ok and have no issues whatsoever. they are completly normal and happy, and happy is whats important. :)
OMG! Get yourself out that damn closet! Your brain is obviously starved for oxygen.

[fitbabits]

Glad they are picking on rednames. I guess it is a matter of time before the pinkies are singled out. Solidarity, Pink Sisters!
Pink is only a shade or two away from red, so get ready!

[Kefkataran]

Is it me, or have the mods started posting way too much? It seems like every thread has mods interjecting way too much into them. Maybe I just more sensitive to it, but it seems to ahve ramped up in the last few months...

Speaking for myself, I've always loved the fact that mods post a lot. Bap and Fit (and on occassion Evil and Everlost) have always posted pretty often as long as I've been here. Usually at least one of them once in any one thread. As for myself, I JUST became a mod recently, and I'm merely using the same posting habits I always have. No reason to change them that I can see.

I love carmack. not in the gay way...not that there is anything wrong with being ga....uh homosexual. But i would love to hang out with him, ya know not to like, dinner, but to play games but if someone did what to do that...(dinner) that would be okay to becuase all homosexual people are completly ok and have no issues whatsoever. they are completly normal and happy, and happy is whats important.

Hahahaha. Now see, if you HAD to do that on every post, that would be too politically correct.

[Chimp]

It's a community. Does the fact that I'm a mod or admin mean that I shouldn't post when I have something to say? I was a subscriber long before I was a redname.

Oh, and welcome to EvAv.

Thanks for the welcome :). Is it maybe because there are more of you now? Has there been an increase in red names and I'm only now just noticing them?

[Kefkataran]

Is it maybe because there are more of you now? Has there been an increase in red names and I'm only now just noticing them?

Far as I recall, I'm the only new one as of late.

[Schnoogs]

The Carmack said what the elders knew all along.

The Cell is to me nothing more than a marketing department concoction to fool the various "tech" journalists is papers like the WSJ, Forbes... etc. 9 cores supercomputer... gimme a break...

comp. history shows us that performance/product yealds are on a steady decline. e.g. doom yielded more out of the 386, than doom3 does with a let's say dual core. Processing power is wasted in order to facilitate higher productivity and faster dev. cycles. The Cell can yield and deliver ONLY if PS3 dominates and the sony grip forces the developers to compete within the PS3 monopoly (as PS2 did). otherwise it is a vasty inferior processor than a "simple" symetrical 3-core powerPC.

And the "you're not fooling anyone with this BS" award goes to...

[PatrickRes9]

Thats really a great point. Thats all it comes down to. 3rd parties are going to port games, or produce them in a cross-platform sort of way. Which means the only games that you'll see much of a difference in graphicly, for the ps3, are the dwindling list of exclusives. There wont be many exclusives left for the ps3, though, because of the price. If a game does well, from a third party developer, why not produce it on the 360 or Wii, and hand it to a larger demograph?