Nintendo E3 Press Conference: Live Update

[torrefaction]

Yeah, I wouldn't really count Microsoft out. Apparently, everyone here forgot about the Xbox campaign. And I love bees. And Windows 95.

Don't get me wrong, Nintendo knocked it out of the park. But, let's see Microsoft' conference before making any calls

[TheHulk]

It's been a long time since Nintendo did anything to get me excited about gaming. That was really impressive. I'll definitely be picking that up. Hope they're putting them into production soon so we won't have an XBox/Playstion type shortage.

[Hewie]

Pretty weak sauce presentation. Although slightly better than Sony's.

[fitbabits]

Pretty weak sauce presentation. Although slightly better than Sony's.
Wow... Just what would it take to really impress you?

[Serapth]

I think Microsoft will do well. I think they learned from Last E3 what *NOT* to do. If you read anything from Microsoft lately they sound like a bunch of smug little bastards right now, like they are sitting on top of a bombshell. The majornelson posting in regards to the PS3 presentation sure seems to indicate they have good news coming.

[Hewie]

Wow... Just what would it take to really impress you?

Explosions.

[emperordahc]

I'm sold. So freakin' sold. Best part; my wife told me to buy it for *us*. :)

[JediSanf]

Overall not terrible but I wanted a price and I wanted details on the Virtual Console. Everything else was great (though I'm honestly not that excited about Red Steel).

[DirtyChimp]

I would have like to hear some stuff about the virtual console as well.

[Chalex]

Yeah, I wouldn't really count Microsoft out. Apparently, everyone here forgot about the Xbox campaign. And I love bees. And Windows 95.

Don't get me wrong, Nintendo knocked it out of the park. But, let's see Microsoft' conference before making any calls
Unless Halo 3 is playable Nintendo just took E3.

[bapenguin]

Nintendo take this generation. Nice knowing ya Sony/MS.

Everything looked great. But there is no way I would ever make this my primary gaming medium. It looks like a nice "break" from normal gaming.

[Hg-203]

They did say they would release in Q4 2006, IIRC.

Yeah, that was confirmed/

[Cool AN]

Coolest press conference I have seen in a long time.

[Watership]

Anyone talking shit about Wii's graphics need only look at Mario Galaxy and STFU!

Smi!le, you fanboy. :)

Remind us how those graphics couldn't be done on Gamecube?

[Serapth]

Everything looked great. But there is no way I would ever make this my primary gaming medium. It looks like a nice "break" from normal gaming.


Yeah, im in the same boat. Ill get one, I'll probrably have a riot playing it, especially drunk. That said, by the end of the generation im betting my 360 collection and time spent is way higher then my Rev's ( still not calling it a wii!)

Notice the lack of PS3 anywhere in that paragraph. Get used to it, after the turd Sony just dropped.

[Lister]

Everything looked great. But there is no way I would ever make this my primary gaming medium. It looks like a nice "break" from normal gaming.

After reading/seeing that presentation, I don't see how I can ever go back to "normal gaming". I think I'd rather have the satisfaction of cleaving an orc's head off than hitting a button. Call me crazy!

[Abednigo]

I'd like to see just the Zelda stuff again (I was only half watching while at work). But it looked amazing.

[Heretic Machine]

I love my 360 and all, but this is the second time Nintendo has blown me away with this console, and I still haven't gotten my hands on it. The always-on thing is right up my alley...

[Hg-203]

It looks like Nintendo's primary objective is to open up a new market, so I hope that they can put out enough units by Christmass so that anyone can walk into a store and just pick up one with out the preorder mess.

[Cubfan]

Just a quick thank you for people posting. I can get a good feel for the presentation evne though I can't watch it right now. Much appreciated.

[torrefaction]

Unless Halo 3 is playable Nintendo just took E3.

Red alert, Nintendo Fanboys have had a direct injection of Adrenalin. All fanboys have reverted to close-minded state. Red alert!

:)

[Heretic Machine]

Unless Halo 3 is playable Nintendo just took E3.

You know what would drop the friggin bomb? Complete fantasy, I know, but it's fun to think about... Playable Halo 3 demo on the marketplace when Microsoft starts their conference.

[Chalex]

Overall not terrible but I wanted a price and I wanted details on the Virtual Console. Everything else was great (though I'm honestly not that excited about Red Steel).It was a solid show, but last years E3 was HUGE, they had everyone who saw the show foaming at the mouth. I actually fell asleep while Iwata was talking about Brain Age, Nintendogs, etc.

The Zelda demo was cool, but I can't help but feel that the game is actually MORE complex with the "simple" Wii controller than it would have been with the "intimidating" controllers of old.

I was really expecting Sony and Nintendo to be in KILL mode, but was left feeling like the phoned it in.

On a side note, between the Warhawk demo and the Tennis demo it's obvious that someone near the top of the console hierarchy loves to see people flail like idiots on stage to show what their games can do.

[fitbabits]

You know what would drop the friggin bomb? Complete fantasy, I know, but it's fun to think about... Playable Halo 3 demo on the marketplace when Microsoft starts their conference.
Holy mother. The whole interweb would collapse, Xbox Live and all. :)

[Chalex]

You know what would drop the friggin bomb? Complete fantasy, I know, but it's fun to think about... Playable Halo 3 demo on the marketplace when Microsoft starts their conference.That would be rather fucking impressive, and would probably make the 360 rather hard to find for a few more months.

[NoName]

Red alert, Nintendo Fanboys have had a direct injection of Adrenalin. All fanboys have reverted to close-minded state. Red alert!
What are you talking about, I'm not closed minded, there's just nothing better than Nintendo. It's not possible to be better! ;)

[NoName]

Holy mother. The whole interweb would collapse, Xbox Live and all. :)
Well, the interweb of gaming news sites seems to be having problems as it is right now. All the sites I go to are so sloow!

[Serapth]

Whens the MS conference btw?

[fitbabits]

Well, the interweb of gaming news sites seems to be having problems as it is right now. All the sites I go to are so sloow!
Yeah, same for me. My guess is that Nintendo just broke something that needs fixing in the internet infrastructure. :eek:

[fitbabits]

Whens the MS conference btw?
I believe it's at 4:30pm Eastern.

Edit - Actually, it's at 3:00pm Eastern (47 minutes from now)!

[easi]

Holy mother. The whole interweb would collapse, Xbox Live and all. :)

Only the parts that care about tired rehashed franchises. That's the problem with this place, the people in charge just assume everyone worships at MS's altar of mediocrity like they do.

[51|RandoM]

Constantly connected = massive lag if your online playing another game at the same time.

Bullshit.

If you don't believe me try this:

1. Learn how to use netstat
2. Alt-Tab out of your favorite PC online game and take a look at the netstat output. Odds are pretty good you'll see other network stuff going on besides your game.

I can have azureus downloading torrents on one PC while I'm playing counterstrike on the other and I don't even notice. Now obviously, I've got a cap on just how much bandwidth azureus can use, but I assure you it is using far more than a Wii will when it periodically pings the mothership to check for updates. The majority of that Wii connection will by downloading, not uploading, which fits perfectly with a typical asymmetric broadband connection.

Lastly, if you don't believe any of this, don't leave your Wii online. Seems pretty damned simple to me.

As far as the show goes, it was the patented Miyamoto-Reggie 1-2 punch they've perfected. They just bring out Iwata as a control group for people to realize how insane Kutaragi is.

[Chalex]

I believe it's at 4:30pm Eastern.The stream at Gamespot is set to start at 3:00pm.

[Watership]

I liked the Nintendo presentation. (even sick at home I enjoyed it). It was fun, and quick and showed the potential. I have some reservations though.

Good things.

- speaker in remote.
- both the remote and the nun-chuck have motion sensing.
- Lots of potential.
- games look simple and fun.

Not so good things.

- the graphics underwhelmed me. They could have added this controller to the Gamecube and I wouldn't have noticed.
- Some of the 'accuracy' has we wondering how exact the controller is. The guy playing red steal.. having trouble with exact aiming. I'm better with a controller than that guy was. And HE was a developer. The zelda guy also seemed to have some problems aiming. Sound like it's either not super accurate, or it's buggy still. Lets hope it's the latter.
- I don't know how many times they kept saying "Graphics don't matter". Well THANK. But games have always been about the wow factor of graphics. So please, I like the WII... I'll buy it, but don't tell me it's NOT about graphics, because.. its always going to be a factor. Or you would fire your artists :)
- No price! dammit.

A nice conference. Not as powerful as Sony's last year.

[fitbabits]

The stream at Gamespot is set to start at 3:00pm.
Yeah, I corrected my post. Silly time difference - why can't y'all use the same damn time?

[CaptStu]

Only the parts that care about tired rehashed franchises.
Says the company with its 100th iteration of Mario.

[xxBlackCrossxx]

http://media.revolution.ign.com/media/821/821973/vids_1.html

new red steel trailer. hi res. pretty nice.

[xcalibur]

Not as powerful as Sony's CG movie for Killzone? :)


-X

[fitbabits]

Wait, the Microsoft conference is NOT LIVE on GameSpot unless you are a subscriber... Anyone know anywhere else I can get it?

[easi]

Says the company with its 100th iteration of Mario.

Ha ha, the same old 'comeback'.. I guess you missed the part where they said Mario has all-new moves.

Not to mention ANY game you care to use that argument on will be playable with the Revmote, making it a totally new experience.

[ghost]

So please, I like the WII... I'll buy it, but don't tell me it's NOT about graphics, because.. its always going to be a factor. Or you would fire your artists :)

Artists take care of the Style, not the graphics, i.e., resolution and shineys. The style is more important than the graphics any day, and is unquestionably important to games. Graphics are also important, but we already have mighty fine graphical capabilities in the current gen - do we really NEED to do more?

And before I get flamed, Yes, I'm a Nintendo Fanboy, Yes, I own all current-gen systems, and I have a computer I've invested multiple thousands into to make it a high-end graphical monster. That may make me a hypocrite to some, but I see it more as "I don't need the graphics, and I don't think they're the most important thing out there, but I sure like them." Take that as you will. :p

[torrefaction]

Wait, the Microsoft conference is NOT LIVE on GameSpot unless you are a subscriber... Anyone know anywhere else I can get it?

Crap. If you find something, post it (Or PM If your feeling generous :-P)

[grimjoe]

they should go old-school NES style and include 2 revmotes and a game...

[Chalex]

Not as powerful as Sony's last year.I don't think that anyone will argue that the Xbox 360 presentation last year was the weakest of the three, mainly because they had announced everything big a few weeks before. It kinda feels like Sony and Nintendo are in the same place this year, they really didn't save anything for E3 and it shows.

[EmoryM]

...where was Smash Brothers?

[joruussuun]

Awesome conference! My only wish was for pricing and virtual console info.

[Watership]

Wait, the Microsoft conference is NOT LIVE on GameSpot unless you are a subscriber... Anyone know anywhere else I can get it?

I thought the MS conference is TAPE-DELAYED?

[Dr.Finger]

What sucked most about the presentation is that it seemed to have slowed Evil Avatar to a laggish crawl. People stop refreshing your browsers so I can refresh my browser!!!!

You're welcome to stay in the Nintendo thread. Us pimps are moving over to the Microsoft thread anyway.

[Hg-203]

Bullshit.

If you don't believe me try this:

1. Learn how to use netstat
2. Alt-Tab out of your favorite PC online game and take a look at the netstat output. Odds are pretty good you'll see other network stuff going on besides your game.

I can have azureus downloading torrents on one PC while I'm playing counterstrike on the other and I don't even notice. Now obviously, I've got a cap on just how much bandwidth azureus can use, but I assure you it is using far more than a Wii will when it periodically pings the mothership to check for updates.

Lastly, if you don't believe any of this, don't leave your Wii online. Seems pretty damned simple to me.


lol, sorry, I didn't fill in the post completely because I was trying to talk about the downfalls before he moved on to the next topic. What I meant was in the worse case scenario your playing, lets say GRAW, and someone pushes out an extra to the Wii. Now if there’s no speed control on the Wii then your ping is going to go down the toilet. What I meant to say, which I did sort of say later, was that I hope Nintendo puts in some kind of control feature that will prevent the Wii from downloading at full speed there by hosing your connection.
I’ve learned this the hard way because run my Azurus with out any hard download limit so if my RSS reader picks up a new torrent my ping can go down the toilet.

[Chalex]

Wait, the Microsoft conference is NOT LIVE on GameSpot unless you are a subscriber... Anyone know anywhere else I can get it?
I hope you are joking otherwise this is the biggest bunch of bullshit EVER.

[torrefaction]

Ha ha, the same old 'comeback'.. I guess you missed the part where they said Mario has all-new moves.

Not to mention ANY game you care to use that argument on will be playable with the Revmote, making it a totally new experience.

Stupidest return ever.

He has new moves, that means it's not a rehashed franchise. Bah.

And as great as I thought the conference was, we'll see if it's really any better than the sword fighting games in the arcades. I'll tell ya, I don't see myself doing that crap for 40+ hours (Which is just about how far into Kingdom Hearts 2 I am.) I'm not convinced this will replace other input devices...not at all

[bean19]

http://media.revolution.ign.com/media/821/821973/vids_1.html

new red steel trailer. hi res. pretty nice.

Yeah, this trailer is extremely entertaining. Hopefully that is actual gameplay footage too.

I was really impressed with the Nintendo conference, though I still hate the console's name and I'm worried about how the controller actually plays (as oppossed to how fun they make it look). Will it actually be fun, or will it be finnicky and difficult. I'm not sure where I'll put the motion sensors in relation to my set. . .

Also, does it require huge spastic movements? I only have the one couch that sits well in front of my screen and I like Nintendo multiplayer. Will the person in the center seat have better control than people sitting to the sides of them?

Also, they didn't mention the price. I don't need a tiny bump up in console strength and an un-tested controller that costs me more than $200. If they try to sell this thing at more than that, I'll probably wait for a price drop.

Still, even if it is $250, that is in the realm of possibility - unlike the $600 needed for a PS3.

[outontheporch]

Quit being a jerk and post in PST.

[fitbabits]

I hope you are joking otherwise this is the biggest bunch of bullshit EVER.
You mean next to yesterday's Sony conference, right?

[JediSanf]

The Gamespot tape delay starts in 36 minutes.

[CaptStu]

Ha ha, the same old 'comeback'.. I guess you missed the part where they said Mario has all-new moves.
Unless Mario is going to swab my knob, color me disinterested. Really though, I have nothing against Nintendo. They do their thing, and they do it well. I'm just tired of seeing the same ol' characters over and over and over and over again. I cared about Mario and his cohorts 15-plus years ago. Not so much now.

[phantomhitman]

Ha ha, the same old 'comeback'.. I guess you missed the part where they said Mario has all-new moves.

Not to mention ANY game you care to use that argument on will be playable with the Revmote, making it a totally new experience.

Not too mention the endless stream of fucking smash bros, tennis, golf, kart, and party games on top of the mario main series. Mario has done the same shits for years, only now he can kick flip off a fucking wall, you want a trophy or something? They need to either kill off Peach or lock her dumbass in a tower somewhere. Easi, you wake the hell up at any time, there is no such "beef" in the virtual world of video games so stop trying to act all tough and troly all the time.

[Watership]

I don't think that anyone will argue that the Xbox 360 presentation last year was the weakest of the three, mainly because they had announced everything big a few weeks before. It kinda feels like Sony and Nintendo are in the same place this year, they really didn't save anything for E3 and it shows.

Yes, but last year Sony did pull a fast one. But it worked. At least for a few weeks.

They showed trailers, compared to MS's dribbled out info.. games didn't look so great, questions remaining etc. Sony walked over and said, "NEXT GEN" with trailers. People ate it up.

It was successful as HELL, even if it was a bunch of lies.

[KNOTE]

I agree that the waggle wand looks very hard to control. None of the guys demoing could get it to do the simplest tasks, with the exception of tennis. What the hell Ninty? Hopefully it's just about not having enough time to tune the controls because it just looked frustrating. As always, the games still look great from a design perspective. Especially Mario universe and Celda DS. Red Steel was disappointing to me. I'm not sold on the waggle wand yet. I can't wait to get hands on impressions from normal people. If you try it at E3, post post post!

[jacktion]

Wow, that presentation was amazing. Metroid Zelda and Mario all looked incredible. Nintendo might have just won this generation. I don't see anything coming out of MS or Sony that can match this (especially from sony).

[Swat]

Unless Mario is going to swab my knob, color me disinterested. Really though, I have nothing against Nintendo. They do their thing, and they do it well. I'm just tired of seeing the same ol' characters over and over and over and over again. I cared about Mario and his cohorts 15-plus years ago. Not so much now.

I agree. However, to my 8 year old son, he's discovering all these cool mascots I used to have as a kid, so it's fresh to a new generation.

[sickfallout]

Reggie is my hero.

[Chalex]

You mean next to yesterday's Sony conference, right?At least they we ballsy enough to broadcast the fact that they didn't have anything intresting to say live over the internet.

[Watership]

Wow, that presentation was amazing. Metroid Zelda and Mario all looked incredible. Nintendo might have just won this generation. I don't see anything coming out of MS or Sony that can match this (especially from sony).

Woah woah.. Hold on Hoss. Nintendo can't win a whole Generation with just a Metroid, Mario and Zelda game. They had all that and more with Gamecube and came up third.

It's a wait and see situation.

[MaiXu]

Where is Smash Bros. Wii?!?! WHERE, GOD, WHERE?!

[fitbabits]

At least they we ballsy enough to broadcast the fact that they didn't have anything intresting to say live over the internet.
Prepare to be shocked out of your shorts! ;)

[CaptStu]

I agree. However, to my 8 year old son, he's discovering all these cool mascots I used to have as a kid, so it's fresh to a new generation.
I hear ya, and I applaud the newcomers to the gaming world. The Wii is built specifically for them. Me? I dealt with Mario one too many times already.

[Stormwatcher]

So if nintendo makes a whole new game, but uses mario, then it sucks? Wow. That makes a lot of sense. Sure it does.

[CaptStu]

But why Mario? Why do I have to constantly see Mario everywhere and all of the time?

[Stormwatcher]

I hear ya, and I applaud the newcomers to the gaming world. The Wii is built specifically for them. Me? I dealt with Mario one too many times already.

I really pitty you. You sad, sad person. You are dead inside...

[jacktion]

Woah woah.. Hold on Hoss. Nintendo can't win a whole Generation with just a Metroid, Mario and Zelda game. They had all that and more with Gamecube and came up third.




(first in profits though)

[torrefaction]

So if nintendo makes a whole new game, but uses mario, then it sucks? Wow. That makes a lot of sense. Sure it does.

Some of us really enjoy stories and character development in our games.

I'm a little tired of playing as a middle-aged, overweight plumber who likes to leap like a freak (Extra points for catching the movie reference)

[bean19]

I'm sold. So freakin' sold. Best part; my wife told me to buy it for *us*. :)

lol.

That's so exactly what Nintendo intends. Just imagine these playable in stores come the holiday season. Mom and Dad won't care if the controls are crap. . . what they'll see is a game that has their kids moving around instead of just pressing buttons.

The X360 will be the economy "HD" system with the most titles overall and thus will probably enjoy the largest initial sales, the PS3 will be the Sony fanboy system (largest group of fanboys out there) and later, it will get more sales when must have titles come out (MGS 4, and FF XII), and the Nintendo will be the parent's system (affordable, and looks athletic).

[mightbe]

Zelda game at launch trumps all. Wake me when I can preorder my bundle of joii.

[CaptStu]

I really pitty you. You sad, sad person. You are dead inside...
Care to explain yourself ... ?

[Lon Lon Rabbit]

People get in the evil avatar chat room right now slipstream has found an awesome website that I don't think I should post here.

[Heretic Machine]

Mario has done the same shit for years, it's fucking rehashed. And guess what? IT'S STILL FUN!

You know what else is still fun? Halo!

[Heretic Machine]

People get in the evil avatar chat room right now slipstream has found an awesome website that I don't think I should post here.

I would if I knew how <.<

[CaptStu]

I am not pitting the Wii against the 360 at all. Although, I own a 360, haven't had anything from Nintendo since it was called Super, and let's not even bring Sony in to the mix.

[bean19]

(first in profits though)

No. Sony won all around in every category this generation dude.

You are right that Nintendo manages to get a great profit from it's smaller market share though.

I share other people's concerns that the system will have very few games worth playing, and I'm also concerned about the controller actually controlling well (as previously mentioned).

Still, their conference really got me hoping this system will be awesome and thus the next console I will purchase, but I'm totally not preordering until I read an unbiased review of the controller (or play it myself - tomorrow I am off to Los Angeles!)

[Lon Lon Rabbit]

Oh damn sorry, http://www.bapenguin.com/chat.php

[fitbabits]

I would if I knew how <.<
Go to www.bapenguin.com and select Chat from the menu. Bingo!

[Abednigo]

But that link we are suppose to check out is most likely gone by now.

[Hemalin]

Some of us really enjoy stories and character development in our games.

You're looking for story and character development in a sports game?

[Serapth]

Zelda game at launch trumps all. Wake me when I can preorder my bundle of joii.

Nah, Zelda just sells the people who would be sold anyways, just earlier. Much like Halo3 will do when its released for the 360 and all the Halo lovers who havent bought yet will jump out and buy it.

However, having Zelda at launch does very little in terms of growing their user base.

[HumpYourWay]

Talk about BIASED

wii.ign.com coverage

(9:42:51 AM): Metroid Prime footage.Looks very similar to Prime 2.

evilavatar.com

1:03 - Metroid Prime Corruption most amazing FPS ever. Mario Galaxy has tons of new moves for Mario.

Hahaha...

On a more positive note; Zelda Wii sounds great.

[Abednigo]

Talk about BIASED

wii.ign.com coverage

(9:42:51 AM): Metroid Prime footage.Looks very similar to Prime 2.

evilavatar.com

1:03 - Metroid Prime Corruption most amazing FPS ever. Mario Galaxy has tons of new moves for Mario.

Hahaha...

On a more positive note; Zelda Wii sounds great.

Um, I think that quote from EvAv is a quote from the presentation itself. I thought it looked a lot like Prime 1 and 2, but that's not a bad thing. Those were amazing looking games that I didn't think were possible on the GC.

[Lon Lon Rabbit]

Yeah, Reggie made some comment that it would be the most intuitive first person shooter ever or something similar, I don't think it was from Bap.

[Sl1pstream]

But that link we are suppose to check out is most likely gone by now.

Hope not. If the link goes down, they're in big trouble.

[Banacek]

338 posts? I will not be reading this.

[Abednigo]

Hope not. If the link goes down, they're in big trouble.

By "gone" I meant the link that was posted in the chatroom. But naturally it was posted multiple times by the kind folks in there.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

By "gone" I meant the link that was posted in the chatroom. But naturally it was posted multiple times by the kind folks in there.


What is this link???




This conference was AMAZING! I'm totally sold! Zelda at launch - Wiiiii!

[mightbe]

Wii need to get T-Shirts that say "Zelda at Launch" printed on them. It should win us any argument.

[Fyd]

Twilight Princess + Wii controller=purchase for me.

hehehe me too, im impressed about nintendos conference, the games looks, ok no graphic awesome but lot of fun.

[RandomViolence]

hehehe me too, im impressed about nintendos conference, the games looks, ok no graphic awesome but lot of fun.

You just scratched your nails on the chalkboard of my brain.

[mightbe]

When I got that notification in my email, I lost a few IQ points.

[Spigot]

You just scratched your nails on the chalkboard of my brain.
Oh, RV. That was awesome.

I have to say that this press conference has me sold on the Wii. I'm going down to EB today and bothering them until they let me preorder one.

So much for sitting this next generation of systems out... Well, according to Nintendo, I'm sitting out the next gen and joining the NEW gen :)