Revolution's Final Secret Revealed?

[bapenguin]

Could this be (http://revolution.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=6601) the Revolution's final secret?

Last week, a rumor hit the net claiming that the Nintendo Revolution’s nunchaku controller features a built-in acellerometer allowing it to sense it being tilted left or right, or being moved up, down, left, right and in a number of other directions as well.

Today, AMN has confirmed through a developer incredibly close to Nintendo that this rumor is in fact true. The nunchaku peripheral does feature this secondary function. However, we were also told that the nunchaku controller does not feature the same pointing and motion sensing abilities that allow the Revolution free-hand controller to be used like a “pointer” or “wand.”
Interesting. Most likely what Nintendo has up their sleeve, but I'm sure they could pull out another surprise.

[TrackZero]

Nice. That makes perfect sense actually. That means you can more easily strafe or turn a vechicle using the nunchaku.

[Royal Fool]

Yeah, it allows for fluid movement.

[AniAko]

I doubt that is the BigN's secret, or at least I hope it isn't. Why would they hide something for E3, and come out with a "cool" but lackluster announcement? I expect something astonishing, though it doesn't have to knock me off my feet. The functionality is cool though. I wonder if it will be able to tell when it's being thrown at 60 mph at my wall over a game of smash bros though :rolleyes:

[MaiXu]

That's interesting, but not really a bombshell. Useful in ways I can only imagine, but nothing huge. There could be other secrets in store for the Rev - personally, I'm hoping for a small internal HD (the 512MB doesn't cut it) - but we'll know at E3.

[Derwin]

thats weird though...because itd be like using, say, for comparison on a PC, a pen tablet (which maps itself proportionately to the monitor) and an optical mouse (which could run out of mouse room on your desk despite the cursor being in the center) at the same time. i dont know if anyone understands what i mean.

you could possibly tilt the nunchaku 180 degrees, but when you turn it back it might not rotate you the full 180 in reverse. basically what i'm saying is, one half of the controller may need to be recalibrated while the other doesnt, making for possibly awkward wrist configurations.

[TrackZero]

I doubt that is the BigN's secret, or at least I hope it isn't. Why would they hide something for E3, and come out with a "cool" but lackluster announcement? I expect something astonishing, though it doesn't have to knock me off my feet. The functionality is cool though. I wonder if it will be able to tell when it's being thrown at 60 mph at my wall over a game of smash bros though :rolleyes:

I didn't even know that was another "big secret", how many does one console need?

- Completely new controller, check.
- Backwards compatible with gamecube and it's peripherals, check.
- Will have online marketplace and gameplay, check.
- Using internal solid-state flash memory for storage, and optional USB keys, check.
- A back catalogue from all the major game publishers of all their own titles, playable on the system, a big ol' check.
- Wirelessly interconnects to the DS, check.

Do you want it to play the games for you as the next big secret?

Besides, if you know Nintendo, they often think things are "big" surprises when they're not, and then think things are "small" when they are in fact big. Don't buy into the hype, just enjoy what comes out, IMHO.

[Klade]

thats weird though...because itd be like using, say, for comparison on a PC, a pen tablet (which maps itself proportionately to the monitor) and an optical mouse (which could run out of mouse room on your desk despite the cursor being in the center) at the same time. i dont know if anyone understands what i mean.

you could possibly tilt the nunchaku 180 degrees, but when you turn it back it might not rotate you the full 180 in reverse. basically what i'm saying is, one half of the controller may need to be recalibrated while the other doesnt, making for possibly awkward wrist configurations.

If the controller always knows which way is up then this wouldn't be a problem. There would be no way for it to become uncalibrated, unless gravity stopped working

[AniAko]

Besides, if you know Nintendo, they often think things are "big" surprises when they're not, and then think things are "small" when they are in fact big. Don't buy into the hype, just enjoy what comes out, IMHO.


Well it definately was a feature that seems wasn't revealed or explained by Nintendo. As far as my hopes, they may be false hopes but I still have them. My hopes are this last secret makes people feel foolish for every bashing the console, but like you said Nintendo thinks "big" when small and vice versa. So my best guess is there will be a recharging dock for the controllers, that will be the "BIG" secret. Don't let the other companies steal your ideas BigN :rolleyes:

[joruussuun]

If the controller always knows which way is up then this wouldn't be a problem. There would be no way for it to become uncalibrated, unless gravity stopped working
OMG... what IF gravity stopped working! No playing the Revolution then... dammit... Nintendo should plan for the future better! That means astronauts can't play their Revs in space either!
:D

[AniAko]

If the controller always knows which way is up then this wouldn't be a problem. There would be no way for it to become uncalibrated, unless gravity stopped working

It's not a positional based system. It's an accellerometer, it knows when it's moving, not where it is or it's orientation. The only reason why you'd need to "zero" or "callibrate" the controller is if the game engine kept track of this input and mapped it on a "virtual" grid. I don't believe that's the intention of the this feature. This feature would be better utilized by a fishing simulation, where you jerk the nunchuck to set the hook in a fish. You could be upsidedown doing this, or even in space :eek: the accellerometer wouldn't care, it would still function appropriately.

[MaiXu]

I was just thinking about a game where you drive/steer while doing something else. I guess you could drive/steer almost independently with the tilting of the left controller (maybe the two shoulders for gas/break?), leaving your right hand totally free to do something else entirely. Sure, this may have been done before, but I imagine it'd be a helluva lot easier just titling the controller than some mess of sticks and buttons achieving the same thing.

[easi]

Could be useful for those beams in Prince of Persia.

[Wedge]

Weird. I thought this was an already announced feature.

edit: Yup. This feature is mentioned in the december issue of edge, and I'm pretty sure I've read it elsewhere as well.

[Neverborne]

Wow, my brain hurts in anticipation. Wand controller, analog stick, and now this...THREE CONTROL INPUTS. I'll have to use an undiscovered quadrant of my brain just to be able to function. I can't wait!

[silv]

Anyone else thinking of how durable these controllers are going to be, with all these motion sensors?

[crashedout]

These types of sensors are nothing new. I suspect the Big-N already has picked the more reliable designs out there. If anything their stuff has always been reliable...hell you could kick the gamecube across the room and it still works.

[JazGalaxy]

I'm with you Wedge. This isn't new, it's what they've always been saying.

[joruussuun]

Damn... with all these motion inputs, we won't be able (without it screwing up the game) to play in a lot of situations.

Play on a space shuttle orbiting the Earth? NO.
Play during an earthquake? NO.
Play while adventuring on the high seas? NO.

Get with the program Nintendo!

[AniAko]

These types of sensors are nothing new. I suspect the Big-N already has picked the more reliable designs out there. If anything their stuff has always been reliable...hell you could kick the gamecube across the room and it still works.

Pulled mine off of a five foot ledge playing Donkey Konga. It's cracked in the one corner, but still works like a champ :D

[Snoy Cracken]

I was just thinking about a game where you drive/steer while doing something else. I guess you could drive/steer almost independently with the tilting of the left controller (maybe the two shoulders for gas/break?), leaving your right hand totally free to do something else entirely. Sure, this may have been done before, but I imagine it'd be a helluva lot easier just titling the controller than some mess of sticks and buttons achieving the same thing.
Finally, a driveby-shooting sim that works. :D
But this does make miyamoto's statement about controlling a sword and shield in zelda make more sense. Before I was like will they make us buy a second controller to play zelda? well regardless I'm excited. :)

[Wedge]

Anyone else thinking of how durable these controllers are going to be, with all these motion sensors?

Yup, but that is the story with every new generation of controllers. Less durable than the last. But hopefully they will be able to take "normal" abuse (dropped on the floor from a table/standing position).

Damn... with all these motion inputs, we won't be able (without it screwing up the game) to play in a lot of situations.

Play on a space shuttle orbiting the Earth? NO.
Play during an earthquake? NO.
Play while adventuring on the high seas? NO.

Get with the program Nintendo!

Playing while drunk...

hell you could kick the gamecube across the room and it still works.
A friend of mine kicked his NES across his room and into a wall. The lid fell of and he had to out it back on. Otherwise it was fine.

[MaiXu]

A friend of mine kicked his NES across his room and into a wall. The lid fell of and he had to out it back on. Otherwise it was fine.

Wish I had the video of it (it used to be both online and on TV, like the Belgian G4), but a friend of mine in Belgium ran over his N64 with his car and it worked fine.

But those cart systems were tanks. With all the optical drives and sensitive hardware in the current systems, I don't dare move my systems, let alone have them fall or get hit by anything.

[Wedge]

Wish I had the video of it (it used to be both online and on TV, like the Belgian G4), but a friend of mine in Belgium ran over his N64 with his car and it worked fine.

But those cart systems were tanks. With all the optical drives and sensitive hardware in the current systems, I don't dare move my systems, let alone have them fall or get hit by anything.

Yup, you know the old saying: If there was a nuclear holocaust the only things left would be cockroaches and Keith Richards playing on a NES on a TV made in the early 80s.

[joruussuun]

Playing while drunk...
It wouldn't be unplayable, it'd just be hilarious.

[The Flash]

I thought this was already inferred when they first revealed their controller...

[joruussuun]

I thought this was already inferred when they first revealed their controller...
Only in the Revmote part, not the analog stick/left-handed part.

[DjinniMan]

Personally, I am hoping that the big reveal at E3 will be:

(drum roll)

The Revolution is already in stores!

lol

[AniAko]

Only in the Revmote part, not the analog stick/left-handed part.

What a second there LEFT-HANDED???? Now who ever said it needed to be left handed? :D There's a undocumented thing of beauty, it's ambidextrous, not that it matters to most, but it will make some people happy. Like the left handed mouse users ;)

[TKO]

Of course all this worry depends on the secondary part relying on gravity, rather than the relative angle of the sensor bar. I'm gonna bet the Rev is spaceman ready already. If not, I'm sure the good boys at NASA can always work out something. I'm guessing the games-room is gonna be in the rotating section of the space-station now. ;)

[Ajguy]

Well, if this is true that the analog device has a motion sensor, it will probably be something similar to (albeit more advanced than) the sensor used in Warioware Tilt. As you recall, it actually recalibrated itself inbetween mini games. If this is true, I'm sure Nintendo will do something with it that allows it to have no need of constant recalibration. Personally, I don't see how this is too useful of a feature. Unless each Rev has a hidden camera and Iwata can watch all of us ridiculously flailing our arms about in our livings, chuckling to himself all the while :p

[Varsity]

Why on earth do you think they called it a 'nunchuck'? ;) There's a use right there.

[MaiXu]

Personally, I am hoping that the big reveal at E3 will be:

(drum roll)

The Revolution is already in stores!

lol

Sega actually did that with the Saturn. And it was a disaster. What good is a surprise launch when no one - not even the oh-so-important customers - knows the thing is on sale? It was big huge stupid blunder in a long list of big huge stupid blunders by Sega.

Now, saying that the Rev would be ready to go by mid-summer, well, shit, I can get behind that.

[DjinniMan]

Sega actually did that with the Saturn. And it was a disaster. What good is a surprise launch when no one - not even the oh-so-important customers - knows the thing is on sale? It was big huge stupid blunder in a long list of big huge stupid blunders by Sega.

Now, saying that the Rev would be ready to go by mid-summer, well, shit, I can get behind that.

Yeah, I was aware of the Sega deal, it was meant as a joke. I guess it wasn't funny!

[Wedge]

From the quoted article in the newspost:
More intriguing than all this, perhaps, our source told us that this “feature” of the nunchaku controller has been in their development kits since they first received them over six months ago. This raises the question, of course, is this the second big secret function of the Revolution controller? It could be. However, it’s odd that developers have had access to the feature and information all along, without ever being told to keep the information under wraps.

This, combined with the fact the feature is mentioned in the december issue of Edge (which is sent to subscribers in november and written in september) tells me that this is no secret feature. It has been known to the public for a long time. In fact, since the nunchuk was revealed.

It seems that it has just been buried in the fuzz around the main controller.

So this can't be the last big secret about the revolution. Well, I guess it can, but I will be disappointed if nintendo call this a big secret just because alot of people missed the news when it was new.

[Zaro]

I'm sure it never been comfirmed. I'm not saying you have not read it in the Edge, but
probably it was just rumor.

There's any demo who use it. Article about the possibilities never talk about.
I wonder why Red Steel does'nt use it or why in the Gameinformer they don't talk about it when they talk about the game's control.

At least E3 is near, will know soon :)

[Serapth]

What would really impress me is if Nintendo announced the Rev controller didnt require charging. It recharged itself while playing using kinetic energy.

Frankly, theres no reason they couldnt. That would be pretty kick ass never having to charge the controller and frankly seems like the type of thing Nintendo would do.

[GWhite]

Play while adventuring on the high seas? NO.

Actually that sucks, I used to be in the Coast Guard.
We had all four consoles underway with us on most patrols.
Guess the Revolution will be a no go for any at sea unit.

[trip1eX]

rumour and probably bs. And for sure, not the secret. (Just my hunch.)

[AniAko]

What would really impress me is if Nintendo announced the Rev controller didnt require charging. It recharged itself while playing using kinetic energy.

Frankly, theres no reason they couldnt. That would be pretty kick ass never having to charge the controller and frankly seems like the type of thing Nintendo would do.

I like the way your thinking.......

QUICK! To the EvilAvaCAR! We must rush this idea to Nintendo before it's too late!

[JazGalaxy]

Sega actually did that with the Saturn. And it was a disaster. What good is a surprise launch when no one - not even the oh-so-important customers - knows the thing is on sale? It was big huge stupid blunder in a long list of big huge stupid blunders by Sega.

Now, saying that the Rev would be ready to go by mid-summer, well, shit, I can get behind that.

Yeah, but at the same time, I remember the exact second I walked into my local game store and saw Panzer Dragoon on a playable kiosk 3 months before I was even supposed to touch it. I was thrilled beyond measure. I would have dropped the bones on it right then if I'd had it in my pocket.

Kind of glad I didn't in retrospect. But, that was a great system despite what happened to it. Better than the PS in a LOT of ways.

On the concept of console durabillity, I will take my Xbox anywhere. That thing is solid as a rock. My PS2, though, came without the DVD capabilities functioning. It woudln't play DVDs at all until I was bringing it home from college for a break and accidentally dropped it. After htat it would play certain DVDs but most it would glitch up on.

[Serapth]

I like the way your thinking.......

QUICK! To the EvilAvaCAR! We must rush this idea to Nintendo before it's too late!

I call Shotgun!

[Ajguy]

My family is on our third PS2, and none of them ever suffered any physical abuse. They just died. My original NES, the first console I ever owned, still works. Hell, if you go to the Nintendo World store in NYC, there is a Gameboy that survived an attack in the Gulf War (I believe) and still works. It's in a display case with Tetris running on it, even though the plastic casing is partially melted!

[Nessus]

I'm glad this gen (with the exception of the 360) is moving away from trays and towards self-loading drives.

The trays on my PS2 and Xbox are both dying, meanwhile my GameCube, lacking any tray, works fine.

[Wyrm]

I think they might actually announce how much the thing is going to cost. Especially if it's only going to be 200~250. That's a HUGE selling point for this system, because the only reason I dont have a 360 is the cost. I would have bought one on release day if I could have afforded it, but I didnt have the cash. This thing, plus a game, probably means I'll be able to survive on what remains of a month's paycheck.

That, or they're going to announce like 600 games or something. Who knows? The possibilities for games on this console are nigh limitless, so we'll see what they come up with.

Here's to hoping it's the cost though. If this thing is under 300, I'll probably be first in line.

[Serapth]

I'm glad this gen (with the exception of the 360) is moving away from trays and towards self-loading drives.

The trays on my PS2 and Xbox are both dying, meanwhile my GameCube, lacking any tray, works fine.

Wow, I would take tray of self loading ANY day. Trays may break and cause some annoyance reloading, but self loading when they break, they pooch your whole console. Not to mention they tend to be more abusive to disks and have higher failure rates.

[CapnBob]

Just to go out on a limb and be completely wrong, I'm going to guess that one secret may involve a headset with a microphone that also has a built-in positioning sensor in addition to some sort of light sensor inside the front panel of the main controller unit, which allows the system to know what angle you are viewing your TV from and distorts the angle and perspective of the image on the TV so that it always looks correct from wherever you're sitting. This would make your TV act more like a window into a faux-holographic game world than a flat 2D representation of a 3D image.

I'm filing this one under "highly unlikely" but it's theoretically possible and I would be surprised if they hadn't at least experimented with this idea.

[EternalGamer]

I'm going to predict the "new feature" that hasn't been revealed yet is not this nunchuk motion, but a built in microphone. It seems to me that would be a nice addition to round out the package making the controller highly versitile. I assume Nintendo will also want to try to carry over their "Brain Age" audience, and the gyrosensor and a mic would be a necessity.


Dan

[AniAko]

I'm filing this one under "highly unlikely" but it's theoretically possible and I would be surprised if they hadn't at least experimented with this idea.

You are one hell of a dreamer :D

I'm going to predict the "new feature" that hasn't been revealed yet is not this nunchuk motion, but a built in microphone. It seems to me that would be a nice addition to round out the package making the controller highly versitile. I assume Nintendo will also want to try to carry over their "Brain Age" audience, and the gyrosensor and a mic would be a necessity.

Gyrosensor ... Dance dance ... Microphone ... Karaoke ... Pop star "Revolution"?? I want to see Reggie singing and dancing his bad ass around the stage at E3 :D

[RMan]

I'm going to predict the "new feature" that hasn't been revealed yet is not this nunchuk motion, but a built in microphone.
Ohh, good call. It's not sexy, but that would be an excellent feature.

[gzsfrk]

Highly disappointed if this turns out to be Ninty's last big secret for the Rev; I had an MS Sidewinder gamepad that would do this back in 98.

(Sidewinder Freestyle, for those of you curious.)

[thecrazyd]

Highly disappointed if this turns out to be Ninty's last big secret for the Rev; I had an MS Sidewinder gamepad that would do this back in 98.

(Sidewinder Freestyle, for those of you curious.)
Did it work in conjunction with a gyroscopic, 3D mouse?

Extra Surprise Spoiler Response: No it did not.

[Feltoar]

Nintendos big secret is out. It was the controller. I hate how the internet blows stuff out of porportion. Nintendo said there was more to the Revolution. Not that theres some other uber secret which is going to blow us all away. At E3 Nintendo are just going to reveal some unique online feature or something. Something average; but still a 'suprise' as Nintendo would put it. I think a lot of you are setting yourselves up for a huge disappointment at E3.

[Zeal]

Nintendos big secret is out. It was the controller. I hate how the internet blows stuff out of porportion. Nintendo said there was more to the Revolution. Not that theres some other uber secret which is going to blow us all away. At E3 Nintendo are just going to reveal some unique online feature or something. Something average; but still a 'suprise' as Nintendo would put it. I think a lot of you are setting yourselves up for a huge disappointment at E3.
Welcome to Nintendo fanboy land.

[Verocity]

Nintendpwn!

[Dodecahedron]

It'd be cool if the big secret was:

You can connect two Revolutions in a sort of SLI mode that lets you run any game in HD.

[Chameleo]

It'd be cool if the big secret was:

You can connect two Revolutions in a sort of SLI mode that lets you run any game in HD.

hahaha

i kinda wanna see the dock they've designed to house the rev controller in the 'traditional' way.

[laggerific]

It would be nice if the two pieces could work independently...it would make sword and shield games feel a little more interactive and natural. but maybe the idea is to be more subtle with it.

The big announcment is that they will charge through the legendary methods of Nikola Tesla, no charging bay necessary....that is the big announcement.

[Romuluss]

This isnt news. :\ Long before the rev remote was even released myself and a lot of other people had inferred a gyroscope function. Acellerometer is much the same thing.

Just because its in the numchuck as well doesnt really seem like something thats a big "secret".