Red Steel, MGS4, Gears of War @ E3

[Guy Mariano]

GameSpot (http://www.gamespot.com) has more details, which you can read by clicking here (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6147699.html).

The E3 Expo Conference Program came into clearer focus this week after the last of three big titles was added to the Sneak Peeks session, one of 34 presentations and panels in a program that takes place along side the action of the main show floor.

Most notable for game enthusiasts was the addition of Red Steel (Ubisoft's upcoming Nintendo Revolution exclusive) to a session that already had Metal Gear Solid 4 and Gears of War listed.

Demoing each of the games are their respective creative leads: Hideo Kojima (shown above, center) will personally demo Metal Gear Solid 4 on the PlayStation 3, Cliff Bleszinski (left) will take the reins of Gears of War on the Xbox 360, and Ubisoft Paris boss Xavier Poix (right) will show off Red Steel.

[Deadend]

Well, that certainly seems that E3 is going for a little balance this time out. The panels listed also seem preety cool, can't wait till transcrips/video are posted of those.

This E3 might be quite good, so again... anyone want to buy me ticket/hotel/laptop/good camera/food?

[Zawath]

The first video of Medieval 2 is going to be shown at E3, so I'm looking forward to that one the most.

[Kamalot]

I'm trying to get a sense of timing for these games.

Any idea when Gears of War is coming?

Red Steel has been announced as a launch title for Revolution.

Typically, the Metal Gear series is shown in video and demo form years before it is released so I'm not holding my breath for this one any time soon. If anything, they'll treat it like the PS2 and MGS2, include a demo on a cruddy launch title and then ride it for a year post system launch.

Kind of like how Gears of War has been dangled in front of 360 owners.

[fitbabits]

Any idea when Gears of War is coming?
Latest I've heard is November 2006. And we all know what else is releasing then, don't we? Hint - PS3

[Borys]

Crow will be served come the MGS4 presentation, personally I can't wait to see more Snake!

[fitbabits]

Crow will be served come the MGS4 presentation, personally I can't wait to see more Snake!
While I don't doubt MGS4 will look pretty, much remains to be decided as to whether the showing will consist of real gameplay footage or pre-rendered crap.

It looks to me like the big hitters for Microsoft and Sony will be Gears of War and MGS4 respectively. This E3 may well turn out to be akin to a street fight with both Microsoft and Sony going for each other's jugular.

[darkwarrior]

While I don't doubt MGS4 will look pretty, much remains to be decided as to whether the showing will consist of real gameplay footage or pre-rendered crap.

It looks to me like the big hitters for Microsoft and Sony will be Gears of War and MGS4 respectively. This E3 may well turn out to be akin to a street fight with both Microsoft and Sony going for each other's jugular.


Since when does Kojima use pre-rendered crap?

[fitbabits]

Since when does Kojima use pre-rendered crap?
I believe this (http://www.gamespot.com/pages/video_player/popup.php?pid=926596&sid=6136977&tab=related) is pre-rendered.

[The Letter 3]

Latest I've heard is November 2006. And we all know what else is releasing then, don't we? Hint - PS3
Hints aside, there is little doubt that Gears of War is being pushed to be a new Halo franchise on the Xbox, in the sense of sales and the fact that they are both FPS games (although judging by the game, it would be a good candidate for third person...anyone know anything solid in this regard?) They probably want a Nov. 2006 release, but it's an ambitious game (remember the rumor of it being 4 DVDs?). Don't be surprised if there's a delay.

[BenN1ce]

I believe this (http://www.gamespot.com/pages/video_player/popup.php?pid=926596&sid=6136977&tab=related) is pre-rendered.

I believe your wrong...Kojima = realtime

ftp://mirrors.blueyonder.co.uk/store1/kikizo.com/games/mgs4_dec05/kikizo_sd_mgs4_ps3_realtimedemo_1.wmv

[fitbabits]

I believe your wrong...Kojima = realtime

ftp://mirrors.blueyonder.co.uk/store1/kikizo.com/games/mgs4_dec05/kikizo_sd_mgs4_ps3_realtimedemo_1.wmv
Time will tell, I guess...

[Zawath]

The MGS4 was rendered using ingame graphics but that doesn't mean it's going to look like that. It was 100% scripted so there was no need to code in AI, physics and other things that games require.

[fitbabits]

The MGS4 was rendered using ingame graphics but that doesn't mean it's going to look like that. It was 100% scripted so there was no need to code in AI, physics and other things that games require.
Quoted for truth.

[Guy Mariano]

Time will tell, I guess...

As Borys already stated

Crow will be served come the MGS4 presentation

[fitbabits]

As Borys already stated

Crow will be served come the MGS4 presentation
I wish I knew why you were so confident. There's nothing in the MGS4 information I've read or saw which would lead me to be so confident of anything being served come the MGS4 E3 presentation, let alone crow.

Pretty graphics and pre-scripted movies are obviously enough to wow fanboys and gullible sections of the media, but until I see someone with a PS3 controller in their hand and actually playing the game being shown, the aforementioned graphics and pre-scripted movies mean nothing to me.

The above can and should also be applied to Gears of War or whatever else is due to be shown come E3.

[Guy Mariano]

I wish I knew why you were so confident.

Watch old Metal Gear demos then play the games. There is nothing to not be confident in. Why don't you just get it out of the way and say you don't like Sony and they are a bunch of liars and they will never achieve any of the demos etc....you know you want to.

[The Letter 3]

until I see someone with a PS3 controller in their hand...
I would actually like to see the PS3 controller. That interests me more than the new MGS4.

[fitbabits]

Watch old Metal Gear demos then play the games. There is nothing to not be confident in. Why don't you just get it out of the way and say you don't like Sony and they are a bunch of liars and they will never achieve any of the demos etc....you know you want to.
Wait a second, I think (or hope) you forgot a question mark (?) after the sentence I highlighted above. Otherwise you are stating that there is nothing to be confident in. :rolleyes:

Nitpicking aside, your assertion that I want to call Sony a bunch of liars, etc. is wrong. Sure, Sony have lied in the past, and will most likely do so in the future (same for Microsoft), but that is in the past. I'm more interested in what they have to offer for the future. All I'm saying is that I've seen nothing in MGS4 to get my shorts in a knot over. If you have, then bully for you, but I will reserve judgement on MGS4, Gears of War, etc. until I've either played them myself or seen someone I trust playing them.

[fitbabits]

I would actually like to see the PS3 controller. That interests me more than the new MGS4.
Likewise, although I don't expect a radical departure from the Dual Shock - perhaps an analog trigger under the L1 and R1 shoulder buttons.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

I hate the fact that I will buy a PS3 just for MGS4. I hope the price isn't real steep. :(

[CapnBob]

Nintendo and Ubisoft must think highly of Red Steel to put it up next to MGS4 and Gears of War. I hope it delivers.

[Hellstorm]

It's funny watching people argue over MGS4 and Gears, when in the end Red Steel is going to win out over both.

[LogainAblar]

It's funny watching people argue over MGS4 and Gears, when in the end Red Steel is going to win out over both.

Yes, because you have first-hand experience playing all 3 games.

[Royal Fool]

MGS4 is the only thing that makes me want a PS3 so far, because I love those games.

But I certainly won't spend huge amounts of money on that machine for one game... ugh.

[Nessus]

I never quite understood why people love MGS so much.

I admit I loved the story in the first one, but hated the gameplay. Hated the gameplay in the second one which pretty much turned me off of the series. All the reviews for MGS3 said that the controls were essentially the same, though I have heard Subsistance changes things by adding a new camera system, and the difference that made with Resident Evil I figure I should at least give it a chance.

For me MGS was play through incredibly frustrating parts so you can see a cinematic. Near the end of the first one I realized that I wasn't having fun, that the only thing I liked was the story.

To be fair, I played MGS after I beat Splinter Cell, so the "stealth" bits seemed rather archaic. More of an accidentally lie down when you mean climb a ladder, then spin around in circles (or something like that, I can't remember the exact control layout). I've since played games like Riddick and the stealth in MGS seems even more clunky.

I think one of the biggest problems with MGS is that the original game's controls were designed with the original non-analog PlayStation controller in mind.

They've since taken that scheme and shoehorned analog, but to me it still feels a bit like a PSX game the way it controls.

[F3nyx]

Wait a second, I think (or hope) you forgot a question mark (?) after the sentence I highlighted above. Otherwise you are stating that there is nothing to be confident in. :rolleyes:Avast, Cap'n! Double negatives off the starboard bow!

[jakie_chon]

MGS4 is the only thing that makes me want a PS3 so far, because I love those games.

But I certainly won't spend huge amounts of money on that machine for one game... ugh.

Same here, though I think I'll have enough money to buy it when it comes out, I would have to be stupid to do it. I think MGS will be a great game, but it cant be worth $400+.

[thecrazyd]

Hints aside, there is little doubt that Gears of War is being pushed to be a new Halo franchise on the Xbox, in the sense of sales and the fact that they are both FPS games (although judging by the game, it would be a good candidate for third person...anyone know anything solid in this regard?) They probably want a Nov. 2006 release, but it's an ambitious game (remember the rumor of it being 4 DVDs?). Don't be surprised if there's a delay.
I don't see what is so ambitious about it. Looks like just another generic third person shooter (and yes, it is third person).

[CapnBob]

Avast, Cap'n! Double negatives off the starboard bow!

Leave me out of this.

[JRR006]

I don't actually know why I love MGS so much. I've seen the numbing effect it has on people who aren't really into it - I played the last two hours of MGS3 in front of my cousin, who was bored to death. He was timing the cutscenes. I think the gameplay is fun, but it's the characters that really keep me interested. Without knowing who the characters are, or why he should care what happens to them, my cousin's interest was zero. If the story and characters don't grab a person, I can see how their reaction to the game as a whole could very well be "Meh."

Anyway! Awesome that Hideo Kojima will be presenting something at E3. And I'm dreadfully interested in more information about Red Steel.

[Achilles]

Hints aside, there is little doubt that Gears of War is being pushed to be a new Halo franchise on the Xbox, in the sense of sales and the fact that they are both FPS games (although judging by the game, it would be a good candidate for third person...anyone know anything solid in this regard?)Gears of War is a 3rd person over-the-shoulder game which controls like an FPS (similar to GRAW on 360). The kind of cover mechanics they're doing wouldn't work very well in an FPS PoV.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

I don't see what is so ambitious about it. Looks like just another generic third person shooter (and yes, it is third person).

To be fair, Halo was just another first person shooter.

[thecrazyd]

To be fair, Halo was just another first person shooter.
Yes, I agree. Another game not worthy of the hoopla.

[Royal Fool]

One of the reasons I love mGS is because it shamelessly pokes fun at itself and gaming in general. On the one hand the games are dead-serious espionage thrillers with great athmosphere, but look deeper and you can see all the in-jokes, commentary and general absurdity of it all.

Hell, you had to look on the back cover of the original MGS to see the codec frequency you needed, and you had to switch the controller ports to beat Psycho Mantis. That's just an example of the craziness.

[mister_slim]

I wish I knew why you were so confident. There's nothing in the MGS4 information I've read or saw which would lead me to be so confident of anything being served come the MGS4 E3 presentation, let alone crow.
Hmm... you haven't noticed that Kojima's games tend to tap into more of the particular system's power than pretty much any other, and that the previews tend to impressive and then upstaged by the final game? If you go back to the E3 debut of MGS2 you can find developers stating those visuals weren't possible on the PS2. Unless you have some reason to think Kojima Prod. have lost their edge, why would you be cynical about their ability to do what they always do?

[The Letter 3]

I don't see what is so ambitious about it. Looks like just another generic third person shooter (and yes, it is third person).
I actually gave a reason for why it is ambitious. If it comes out on 4 DVDs, that's a lot of content. Now, granted, Gears may end up being so dumb it could fit on a casette tape. But I read an interview way back in EGM that sounded very promising. Apparently, every level is going to have an "off the beaten tracks" gameplay element that is meant to keep it from being "another generic third person shooter." (Think the part in Chronicles of Riddick where you jump in the mech). How will this pan out? Stay tuned!

[The Letter 3]

Likewise, although I don't expect a radical departure from the Dual Shock - perhaps an analog trigger under the L1 and R1 shoulder buttons.
So, the new 360 controller? :rolleyes:

Kidding fanboys! Just joking!

[Guy Mariano]

I actually gave a reason for why it is ambitious. If it comes out on 4 DVDs, that's a lot of content.

4 dvd's ='s should have used a next gen format instead like that other company is doing ;)

[easi]

I stopped caring about Gears a long time ago. Red Steel is going to finally shut up those Nintendo-haters talking about seeing before believing.

[Kamalot]

Watch old Metal Gear demos then play the games. There is nothing to not be confident in. Why don't you just get it out of the way and say you don't like Sony and they are a bunch of liars and they will never achieve any of the demos etc....you know you want to.
Didn't Kojima state that Metal Gear Solid 4 could run on the 360? What's all the hoopla about?

http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000883068264

So if the demos are exactly like the games, and the 360 can run the demo, then Metal Gear Solid 4 isn't doing anything that can't be done on the 360.

Right?

[thecrazyd]

I actually gave a reason for why it is ambitious. If it comes out on 4 DVDs, that's a lot of content. Now, granted, Gears may end up being so dumb it could fit on a casette tape. But I read an interview way back in EGM that sounded very promising. Apparently, every level is going to have an "off the beaten tracks" gameplay element that is meant to keep it from being "another generic third person shooter." (Think the part in Chronicles of Riddick where you jump in the mech). How will this pan out? Stay tuned!
Four DVDs means they were using insanely unoptimised code. That's about it.

[codswallop]

4 dvd's ='s
Actually, The Letter 3 was right; the apostrophe was not required. Apostrophes show contraction and/or possession. They're not needed with acronyms. And no, one wasn't needed at the end of the previous sentence.

Back on topic, I couldn't care less about Gears of War (then again, I don't see why Halo is so popular), I hate stealth games so wouldn't like MGS4 but I am definitely intrigued to see how Red Steel turns out.

[Wedge]

Cool. 3 games I am looking forward to getting to know better.

Even if I thought I was done with the MGS series after the first hours of MGS 3 (fucking camera from hell! kojima, don't put me in a big jungle if I constanly have to enter first person view to see what is 15 ft in front of me!). That one sat on a shelf until this january before I started over again and completed it, and to my surprise enjoyed quite alot. Great story and fantastic atmosphere, and parts of the game were very fun to play.

Gears certanly looks great & scary, and if it turns out to play good we've got a winner. But I don't expect anything really über fantastic from this one, but by all means surprise me.

Red Steel carries the honor of being the first Rev title to meet the public, and for that reason alone it is a bloody important title. really looking forward to read about peoples impressions of this one.

[fitbabits]

Hmm... you haven't noticed that Kojima's games tend to tap into more of the particular system's power than pretty much any other, and that the previews tend to impressive and then upstaged by the final game? If you go back to the E3 debut of MGS2 you can find developers stating those visuals weren't possible on the PS2. Unless you have some reason to think Kojima Prod. have lost their edge, why would you be cynical about their ability to do what they always do?
I have noticed that Kojima has a great knowledge of everything PlayStation and is also able to squeeze more from the hardware than people thought possible. As I said, I am a fan. However, I also stated that nothing I've seen or read so far has me thinking that MGS4 is going to be a revolutionary leap forward for the series, and I stand by that. Until I see some in-game footage being played by someone I trust (not Ken Kutaragi or some raging Sony fanboy or journalist), I am on the fence.

I hope my fears are unfounded, because I would love for MGS4 to rock.

[Switcher]

Wedge, allow me to introduce you to Subsistence, Subsistence, Wedge.

The only reason certain gamers complained about MGS3's camera, is because they didn't have the enemy radar blips and vision cones holding their hands the entire game.

[Guy Mariano]

Didn't Kojima state that Metal Gear Solid 4 could run on the 360? What's all the hoopla about?

http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000883068264

So if the demos are exactly like the games, and the 360 can run the demo, then Metal Gear Solid 4 isn't doing anything that can't be done on the 360.

Right?

Apparently you mistaking what hypothetically could be done on 360 with what will be done on the PS3 in the early stages. There are zero games on the 360 right now that can even push my PC. Oblivion is the best game out and the PC version looks better than the 360 version. Two years from now the 360 will be pretty much outdated :D

[Zeal]

HALO 3 to own them all. Heard it here first.

[Vandenh]

>Two years from now the 360 will be pretty much outdated

Dude.. when launched the PS3 will already be outdated by PC technology.

For 80% of the PC owning people 360 and PS3 will still be better and more next gen. I always find it funny that some suckers like you believe the hype and think that somehow 360 and PS3 will be 10 years more next gen than high end PCs. They are not and that is also not the point of consoles BTW.

[Wedge]

Wedge, allow me to introduce you to Subsistence, Subsistence, Wedge.

Yeah, I'm actually concidering picking it up when it is released in europe in late june.


The only reason certain gamers complained about MGS3's camera, is because they didn't have the enemy radar blips and vision cones holding their hands the entire game.
I don't think so, the camera angle paired with the dense jungle could easily lead to frustrating moments when you ran into patroling sentries that happened to be behind a treetrunk the two seconds you were looking around in first person mode.

I think the camera angle was pretty poorly made for the surroundings in MGS3, and doubt the complaints stem from "certain" gamers moping because they don't have their hand held (nobody says MGS3 was difficult because of the camera, just annoying). I'm glad to see they have fixed it in Subsistence.

[mister_slim]

I have noticed that Kojima has a great knowledge of everything PlayStation and is also able to squeeze more from the hardware than people thought possible. As I said, I am a fan. However, I also stated that nothing I've seen or read so far has me thinking that MGS4 is going to be a revolutionary leap forward for the series, and I stand by that. Until I see some in-game footage being played by someone I trust (not Ken Kutaragi or some raging Sony fanboy or journalist), I am on the fence.

I hope my fears are unfounded, because I would love for MGS4 to rock.
I was talking in terms of visual quality. My concerns about the game are more gameplay side. If you read the interviewss, it's pretty ambitious. It's rather sandbox-ish, kind of reminds me of Operation Flashpoint. You receive a mission and wander out into the battlefield to accomplish it, and you have to co-exist with the warring factions, choosing to work with one or the other or ignore them both.

[Borys]

Xbox fans: "Dudes, LMAO at Blu-Ray who needs 25 GB of data when Oblivion ships on one DVD? Stupid Sonyborgs."

CliffyB: Gears of War launches on 4 DVDs.

Xbox fans: "Dudes, this game will be so awesome! Did you hear it ships on 4 DVDs? That's like 4 times more content than Oblivion! We won't buy one-DVD 360 games from now on!"

Hypocrisy at its finest.

[DoubleUranium]

I stopped caring about Gears a long time ago. Red Steel is going to finally shut up those Nintendo-haters talking about seeing before believing.

Yeah, all those haters are just fucking morons for wanting to try a new control scheme before declaring it the second coming.

[pacman]

I'm honestly less than enthused about all three titles at this point. Gears of War is just another shooter to me - maybe it will be awesome, maybe it will be ho-hum but either way I just can't make myself care. Red Steel could be great if the control works well for the game, but the premise still isn't making me sit up in attention. And lastly, I love the MGS series but 3 killed some of that momentum for me (camera bothered me, but I am playing Subsistence now) and I'm really worried that just playing MGS4 is going to cost me way too much money...but I do have to say the missons idea is pretty cool...

[bapenguin]

I still think MGS is way over rated. Splinter Cell has totally trounced it in the stealth action genre.

[fushi]

I still think MGS is way over rated. Splinter Cell has totally trounced it in the stealth action genre.
Dude, noone plays the MGS games for the gameplay.

p.s. Splinter Ceel games play like EA movie licenses.

[Serapth]

Dude, noone plays the MGS games for the gameplay.

That line there pretty much sums up why ive never been that hyped by MGS. The story might be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but the controls and gameplay have always been between meh and frustration for me.

Then again I wasnt a huge fan of SplinterCell either, so it could just be that this whole genre doesnt appeal to me. I used to think that way of tactical shooters until GRAW came around. Straight out though, I will say Splinter Cell wins in the gameplay deparment.

[LogainAblar]

Apparently you mistaking what hypothetically could be done on 360 with what will be done on the PS3 in the early stages. There are zero games on the 360 right now that can even push my PC. Oblivion is the best game out and the PC version looks better than the 360 version. Two years from now the 360 will be pretty much outdated :D

On the early stages? Please explain. Do you mean it will be a near-launch title? Seeing as how a released has not really been discussed, I really doubt that's the case.

And there aren't any PS3 games that can push your PC right now, because, you know, there aren't any games out yet. Unless, of course, you include tech demos, the best of which we've seen being probably MGS4, which by Kojima's own admission could likely have been done on the 360. So we're right back where we started.

BTW thecrazyd was right in that 4 DVD's for a game such as Gears of War would be ridiculous, though admittedly I didn't read the interview where it was mentioned. Does anyone have a link?

And yes, the standard MGS camera is fucking atrocious. If I didn't have the patience of a buddhist monk (and an interest in the story) I would have never made it past the second game. My disappointment that the third one (not subsistence) was going to use the same camera had nothing to do with having my hand held; that was one of the dumbest comments I've heard in a long time, and I read video game forums.

[xxBlackCrossxx]

HALO 3 to own them all. Heard it here first.


hard to do since the first two blew total ass.

heard it here first.

[Kamalot]

Dude, noone plays the MGS games for the gameplay.
If I wanted a movie, I'd watch a movie.

If I want to play, I play a game.

A game without gameplay isn't a movie and it isn't a good game.

What is it?