PSN down, Knocks Out Single Player Games.

[NightRain]

Well looks like the Playstation Network is down. Normally I wouldn't think this is a big deal unless you want to play online games. However, even some single player games won't load. I just tried to load Heavy Rain for the first time and get the following message. "Registration of the trophy information could not be completed. The game will quit (8001050F)". I can't logon to the PSN Store, Blu-Ray live features won't work and obviously no multi-player works. I can understand multiplayer not working, but what does Blu-Ray online content have to do with the PSN. Also the fact that trophy rewards are tied to the PSN as it would appear for Heavy Rain and possibly other single player games too is just plain stupid, does that mean if you don't have an Internet connection heavy rain won't work? Oh and the time and date on my PS3 are wrong too, 12/31 is the listed date. Something is wrong and I'm fine with a network problem but I'm not fine with a network problem causing me to not me able to play single player offline games.

100's of people are having the same issue according to the PSN forums and many have been told by Sony support that the PSN is fine and they have a PS3 hardware issue, which can't be the case for so many people at one time.

Anyone here having the same issue?

Update -

Press Release from Sony.

As you may be aware, some customers have been unable to connect to the PlayStation Network today. This problem affects the models other than the new slim PS3.

We believe we have identified that this problem is being caused by a bug in the clock functionality incorporated in the system.

Errors include:
* The date of the PS3 system may be re-set to Jan 1, 2000.
* When the user tries to sign-in to the PlayStation Network, the following message appears on the screen; "An error has occurred. You have been signed out of PlayStation Network (8001050F)".
* When the user tries to launch a game, the following error message appears on the screen and the trophy data may disappear; "Failed to install trophies. Please exit your game."
* When the user tries to set the time and date of the system via the Internet, the following message appears on the screen; "The current date and time could not be obtained. (8001050F)"
* Users are not able to playback certain rental video downloaded from the PlayStation Store before the expiration date.

We hope to resolve this problem within the next 24 hours. In the meantime, if you have a model other than the new slim PS3, we advise that you do not use your PS3 system, as doing so may result in errors in some functionality, such as recording obtained trophies, and not being able to restore certain data.

As mentioned above, Please be advised that the new slim PS3 is not affected with this error. We are doing our best to resolve the issue and do apologize for any inconvenience caused.

For the latest status on this situation please check either the PlayStation blog (blog.us.playstation.com) or PlayStation.com.

[dr_qwandry]

http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107355

I have the same problem, but it's not a PSN problem it's a Heavy Rain problem.

[rulyblue]

PSN is down for me and I can't connect to Netflix :( No law and order

Edit: This is a hardware issue from what? Intended good use of my PS3?

[BalekFekete]

I've been hit with the same issue. I'm patiently waiting for a fix, but won't hold my breath for anything tonight. I guess the good news for me at least is I leave on a business trip Tuesday morning till Friday, so they have lots of time to get it fixed.

[NightRain]

http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107355

I have the same problem, but it's not a PSN problem it's a Heavy Rain problem.

Its not just heavy rain, two friends tell me that they can't use Dragon Age or Demons Souls. PSN is the problem, hoepfully they fix it soon.

[Suicidal ShiZuru]

Hey look, foreshadowing of what will happen to people who buy Ubisoft games.

[NightRain]

According to the forums at Sony people have been told that the servers were hacked and 3.15 firmware had a trojan attached that hit today. I don't know if that is true but it it is that could be really bad. I hope Sony figures this out quickly becuase right now my PS3 is almost useless.

[rulyblue]

It's a $300 night light.

[Chimpbot]

I'm also getting that 8001050F error, which is technically a hardware error.
The thing is, hundreds of people have been affected by it...some of which, oddly enough, have never connected their PS3 to the internet. The other odd occurance is that it seems to be effecting mostly Fat PS3s.

The consensus seems to be that it has something to do with the date, 02/28/2010, the firmware or both.

According to the Playstation twitter account, they know something is up and claim to be looking into it.
Here's hoping I don't have to buy a new console because of shitty firmware.

[NightRain]

A friend just told me a sony tech person told him his hardware was infected by a bad 3.15 firmware and would need to be repaired. They wanted $180 to repair his sytem because it isn't under warranty, wtf? Apparently only older PS3's are having this issue. If this is the case I'll never buy another sony product again, how can a update from there network cause a problem and they not be responsible?

[NightRain]

It would also appear none of my PS1 games and many games bougth from PSN aren't working either.

[Johan]

...how can a update from there network cause a problem and they not be responsible?

Short story from several years ago, in the same vein:

1. I own a perfectly functional, but older, HP printer.
2. I own an older computer, so I buy a brand new Compaq (owned by HP).
3. The printer will NOT work with the new computer, despite being the same manufacturer, and I cannot find anything at their site to assist me in fixing it.
4. I call tech. support and they state it is a PRINTER issue, despite the printer having worked with my last computer, and the fact that my printer and computer are made by the SAME manufacturer. They tell me to call printer tech. support.
5. I call printer tech. support and they tell me I have to pay for help because the printer is out of warranty, even though it's the damn NEW COMPUTER that is causing the problem.
6. I speak to a supervisor. No change in message.

MY PRINTER WILL NOT WORK BECAUSE OF THE NEW COMPUTER I BOUGHT, MADE BY YOU IDIOTS, AND YOU TELL ME THAT I NEED TO PAY TO FIX WHAT YOUR NEW PRODUCT BROKE IN MY PERFECTLY FUNCTIONAL PRINTER?

7. I call back several times, hoping for a nice agent.
8. On the fifth or so call, I get an American, for the first time, who tosses the script aside and says, "If you were to pay for assistance, I would tell you to go to our site and download a patch labelled [insert random numbers and letters here that had NO connection to my printer model/make and which I would NEVER have found without his directing me to it exactly, like a damn needle in a haystack], but since you're not paying, I can't do that. : wink wink :
9. I download the weirdly titled, oddly hidden patch from their site and voila, my freaking printer now works.

Screw these companies. Their products screw up from nobody's [edit: their own] fault and they hope you'll just bend over and take it...in the wallet.

: looks angrily at 360 :

Of course, MS did extend their warranty, but only because of the breadth of the issue, not out of some unique corporate moral compass. :mad:

[Khash]

Weird. Been playing Heavy Rain off-and-on all day and haven't had a problem. I've only just now heard about this issue. I hope those experiencing problems get it fixed soon.

[NightRain]

Weird. Been playing Heavy Rain off-and-on all day and haven't had a problem. I've only just now heard about this issue. I hope those experiencing problems get it fixed soon.

Do you have a newer system? Apparently older systems are the only ones with problems. A friends slim works fine, I know about at least 6 older PS3's not working, none of them are slims.

I'm going to wait until tomorrow and if it isn't working I'll call them. If they expect me to pay to fix this I'll just sell all my PS3 games and use it for Blu-Ray's only, expect for online Blu-Ray content which doesn't seem to work, but I never use that anyway.

[rothrin]

This looks to me like it is only affecting older/fat PS3's. I have a PS3 slim ( bought on launch day of the slims ) and it works fine. Heavy Rain and Demon's Souls both work etc, along with trophies, although I was fairly nervous booting up after reading about all this trouble. Running 3.15 system software. I'd be interested to hear if those with problems are running older model PS3's.

[geckokidd]

Was just reading through this thread and decided to turn on my system and check it out. I wasn't able to load Braid, Trine or Shooter cause of the 8001050F error but I was able to load Batman AA and play. My system gave me the error after loading AA but I was still able to play.

Hopefully whatever this is gets fixed so I can enjoy playing my games again. I have an original 60 gig system.

It seems that any of my PSN exclusive games wont work properly. I had to manually set my time on my systems twice to get it to save correctly. I'm a sad gamer right now.

[Johan]

Well, Sony did say that this generation started when they said so. Maybe it ends when they say so, as well.*

*Sorry...couldn't resist. I do sympathize with those affected.

[Verruckt]

My 60 gig seems to be working just fine, it's been on all day basically. I havent downloading any firmware in a long time, though, maybe that's why.

[Khash]

Do you have a newer system?
It's a 60 gig PS3 I got at launch. It's connected to the Internet and everything. I even downloaded the GoW3 demo. I haven't done anything differently. Just lucky, I guess.

[shadow763]

My PS3 Phat took the old crap. It was working great all day, but now is giving me that error. I can surf the internet, but can't get on PSN. All my dynamic themes say corrupt data. I am currently backing up my PS3 just in case, but it sounds like an issue on Sonys side maybe tied in with the firmware.

[oldjadedgamer]

http://i46.tinypic.com/15qp8y9.gif

[TeeCakes]

http://i46.tinypic.com/15qp8y9.gif

Cute graphics. I'm sure it was done by some poor 360 RROD victim with entirely too much time on their hands. :rolleyes:

[Suicidal ShiZuru]

Cute graphics. I'm sure it was done by some poor 360 RROD victim with entirely too much time on their hands. :rolleyes:

Yeah man, Sony totally didnt drop the ball here or anything. Fuck sake.

[TeeCakes]

Yeah man, Sony totally didnt drop the ball here or anything. Fuck sake.

I didn't mention anything about Sony not being responsible. Grow up.

FYI-- I don't recall MS making a public announcement the SAME DAY that RROD problems began, which is what Sony's done (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/02/playstation-network-status-update/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PSBlog+%28PlayStation.Blog%29 ) concerning this problem:



We’re aware that many of you are having difficulty connecting to the PlayStation Network this evening. Those of you with “slim” PS3s (the 120/250 GB models) appear to be unaffected.

Know that we have narrowed down the issue and have engineers working to restore service even as you read this. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you, and genuinely appreciate your patience while we work to resolve this.

In the meantime, you may want to follow our Twitter account for the latest updates.

Again, it's cute that some people want to try and compare this isolated software issue with the 360's well-documented hardware defects. :)

[Verruckt]

I just got the error, I only tried to play Flow and that worked, so *shrug.*

This would be the first time something serious has happened to a system of mine ever if it ends up having to go in for repairs.

[Verruckt]

It's been 10 years but that bloody Y2K bug finally got us. Persistent bastard.

[Meatgortex]

This looks a lot like the Zune bug from a couple of years ago. Some part of the OS thinks it's a leap year and that's causing a conflict.

In the Zune case it just locked up for a day and then went back to working fine the next day. If Sony is lucky this will be the same thing, tomorrow all fat PS3's work again. Otherwise getting a fix out to people may get very complicated.

[Evil Avatar]

My PS3 Phat took the old crap. It was working great all day, but now is giving me that error. I can surf the internet, but can't get on PSN. All my dynamic themes say corrupt data. I am currently backing up my PS3 just in case, but it sounds like an issue on Sonys side maybe tied in with the firmware.

My PS3 has been off all day. I might skip turning it on until they fix this problem.

[modeps]

This is a pretty epic fail.

[grognard66]

My 1st gen 60Gig worked fine yesterday morning and was ok when I put in a Blu-Ray last night, but when I was done watching I couldn't connect anymore. Pretty embarrassing oversight for Sony if it ends up they didn't foresee the year 2010 coming up. I wonder how they'll patch this when the systems can't connect!

[GraveMatter]

I'm kinda paranoid to turn my 60gig on at this point. I think I'll just wait to hear something official. I've got Napoleon:Total War to tide me over anyway.

[Ph00p]

Even when Live is down 360 will work, and don't try to talk about the PS3 hardware being better, my PS3 sounds like a jet engine at times and its clean as whistle inside(I checked yes its completely out of its 1 year warranty) one of my friends had a dead fat that would have cost him ~$150 because it was 3 months outside warranty, he didn't just loose a SYSTEM no thats not bad enough he LOST MOST of his save games, good old SONY!

Today I can't play half of my games and if anyone is foolish enough to play anything on a PS3 fat they risk loosing any trophies obtained in this time span.

[rulyblue]

"In the meantime, you may want to follow our Twitter account for the latest updates."

This is a ploy by Sony to get more people to follow their twitter feed. Gettin' ahead of snooki!

[Scramble]

Why would the ps3 think it's a leap year? I've never encountered this problem before on Feb 28th, and it didn't happen in '08 which WAS a leap year. Hopefully they'll fix this ASAP and with a full explanation.

[PatrickRes9]

What if this requires a send in to fix? Is that a possibility? Man, this is shitty.death eat your heart out.

[Albinobees]

Again, it's cute that some people want to try and compare this isolated software issue with the 360's well-documented hardware defects. :)

dude, i'm pretty cetain you were the first person to mention the 360 in this thread...

anyway, i'm sure this is just a zero or one in the wrong place coding wise, and will be fixed soon. it does seem odd that its really only messing with the older ps3s.

[Johan]

dude, i'm pretty cetain you were the first person to mention the 360 in this thread...

I believe I was first, and he was second. Not that it matters. This situation is ridiculous, but too much of what passes for 'gaming' nowadays is becoming ridiculous, in my view. :(

[PatrickRes9]

Cute graphics. I'm sure it was done by some poor 360 RROD victim with entirely too much time on their hands. :rolleyes:

I like how this guy will justify and defend anything Sony does, and when called on it, after making statements about how everyone's blowing things out of proportion, will fall back on "I didn't say they didn't screw up". That's called the sophist approach, my friend.

When you make defensive or attack statements at people who are frustrated at or making fun of something Sony has done, or is doing, or allowed to happen, then cover your arguement's ass with backing up, and stating in a much milder sense, how you're not saying it's okay, it looks pretty douchy.

That's the problem with marketing and industry. People can get away with charging you up the ass for a product, not standing behind it, and blind brand loyalty will keep allowing it.

Sony screwed up. Mistakes happen, but we're talking about expensive electronics, that Microsoft nor Sony want to fully stand behind. This isn't Sony hate. I'm also on my fourth Xbox360, and if I didn't love the games on the system so much, I'd drop kick it out the window, and not buy another again.

[PatrickRes9]

I believe I was first, and he was second. Not that it matters. This situation is ridiculous, but too much of what passes for 'gaming' nowadays is becoming ridiculous, in my view. :(

Agreed. Ads, ads in the middle of gameplay, download content sold after it was already programmed before game launch, stripping away content to sell later, catering to fad genres and pumping out generic copycats, overly expensive hardware (I don't care if its specialized, I shouldn't be paying $200 for a 120gb external hard drive. I could get an external TB hard drive for much less.), and possibly most annoying of all lately - making it impossible to play a single player game without access to the internet.

Now that theres so much money involved within the gaming industry, its become a ridiculous charade to see how to maximize profit at the expensive of loyal fans.

[PatrickRes9]

....at the expensive of loyal fans.

-expense rather

[Suicidal ShiZuru]

This situation is ridiculous, but too much of what passes for 'gaming' nowadays is becoming ridiculous, in my view. :(

Now that theres so much money involved within the gaming industry, its become a ridiculous charade to see how to maximize profit at the expensive of loyal fans.

Do you think Obama will appoint a Gaming Czar to control this aspect of our lives too after this debacle?

[Johan]

Do you think Obama will appoint a Gaming Czar to control this aspect of our lives too after this debacle?

: runs away :

hasn't he already? Her name is Hillary, and she wants to censor games.

[PatrickRes9]

Do you think Obama will appoint a Gaming Czar to control this aspect of our lives too after this debacle?

Uh oh, a conservative republican. If you think the appointed Czars, or even the president are controlling anything, I think youre mistaken. Obama has been bought and paid for by Lobbyists from the biggest corporations in the country. Namely the insurance and bank sectors. Thats why policy is always looking out for their better interest. Why do you think the watered down healthcare bill he wants to pass, with no public option, leaves loop holes for the insurance companies.

I'm much more afraid of Bill Bernanke being reelected to the senate then I am of any Czars.

They just overruled a bill that's been in place for decades, that when in place, put a cap on how much lobbyists can fund presidential and senate candidates. With this bill being overturned, it also allows for foreign investors to fund candidates. Isn't that pretty.

But anyway, yes if your point is that big business should not be regulated with policy, you're wrong. To not do so would be disastrous for everyone not working for them. I know the elite are so honest, and always looking out for the consumer, keeping them in mind always, and not their bank accounts, but....

....wait, are we allowed to talk politics on this forum? *cringes*

[Sylverdemon]

Thank you so much! I love this site for this very reason, the same thing happened to me yesterday when I tried to play Demon's Souls and then again when I tried to play Assassin's Creed 2. To top it off my trophies for both games dropped off my list too. I started thinking my PS3 was busted.

[Shifter]

Well so much for this thread being about the original post. I'm experiencing the same trophy error (fat original 60 gig) since yesterday afternoon. Too bad the PS3's two latest most interesting games - MAG and Heavy Rain - are bricked as a result of this.

[abso]

Could you imagine the outcry if this happened in two weeks when FF13 hit? You would be able to hear the collective nerd-rage in American all the way back in Japan.

[Nonmox]

As Bill Gates laughs upon his throne made of Gold and Diamonds, he chuckles and says "Guess they'll have to play Final Fantasy on the Xbox" MWHAHAHAHAH

[BlackHatKid]

To say I am going to be pissed if my stuff is gone when this is resolved is an understatement.

[Roc Ingersol]

Now that theres so much money involved within the gaming industry, its become a ridiculous charade to see how to maximize profit at the (expense) of loyal fans.Stop paying for it?
MS updated the dashboard, so I see an unavoidable ad. I paid for the console. I pay for Live. I don't pirate games, I get an ad. So, I stopped paying for Live.

EA put a bunch of bullshit in Dragon Age. So, I'm not buying ME2 or any other EA titles with similar bullshit. Eventually, they'll either straighten out their acts, or I'll just stop gaming. However it ends up, this approach is the only way anything will change.

[EvilPanda]

Is this related to the system date being reset to 12/31/1999? I'm not even connected to PSN at the moment but yesterday my saved games were showing that date....

[Johan]

Is this related to the system date being reset to 12/31/1999?

It's a Prince comeback! Viral marketing through borked firmware? ;)

"Two thousand zero zero party over, Oops out of time. So tonight I'm gonna party like it's 1999."

I was dreamin' when I wrote this. Forgive me if it goes astray. :D

[Demo_Boy]

Seems like a date problem with the firmware on Fat PS3s?

In any case, this is a nightmare for Sony.

I'm going to leave my system off for a week till I see the details come out. Crosses fingers.

[atariv8]

I did notice that the load screens were ridiculously long in Heavy Rain and only until the trophies appeared did it seem to continue to the next level. I wonder if this was foretelling the current problem. I'm also going to hold off playing until this is sorted out.

[Demo_Boy]

Originally Posted by iammeiam/neogaf:

The going theory is that the PS3 is storing some form of date in GMT, then modifying that to get whatever you see in the on-screen clock. That modification process seems to be fine--the system can take 2/28/2010, 9PM GMT, add four hours, and get 3/1/2010, 1AM random time zone.

What's apparently effed, as speculation goes, is when the internal GMT-tracking rolls over to 3/1. It's either not rolling, or rolling to 2/29, at which point a system tries to add/subtract from 2/29, which it can't do because the front-end calendar doesn't have a 2/29/2010, and shit explodes. Seemed to happen around 4PM PDT, which I think is 12AM GMT, so.

And the PS3 launched in 2006; it's hit 4 2/28s so far. 2007 and 2009 were odd-numbered years; 2008 was an even, and a leap year. 2010 is the first even non-leap-year the system's been around for. If some sort of base-level math is choking on itself, it may have ruled out the odd 2007 and 2009 successfully, but is convinced the even 2010 is a leap year (this part I'm less sure of, but is why leap year could theoretically come into play at some point.)

[fable2323]

So far Trine, Dante's Inferno are a no go. I just get the error. Luckily I had just finished Bioshock 2 prior to this happening. Sadly, Dante's Inferno was to be next so I could finish it prior to God of War 3.

With any luck Sony will have this up and running again soon. I sure would hate to be the guy trying to figure out/fix all this right now. Talk about pressure!

[geckokidd]

I'm backing up my system just in case. I was able to play Batman AA but my trophies for that game are now missing. That's what really bums me out.

[rothrin]

As posted here (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/latest-info-on-playstation-network-status/) on the Playstation blog, PS3 slims are not affected and it is being caused by a date issue:
We believe we have identified that this problem is being caused by a bug in the clock functionality incorporated in the system.

[pwnophobia]

Kotaku (http://kotaku.com/5482811/ps3-error-8001050f-caused-by-clock-bug-fix-within-24-hours?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+kotaku/full+(Kotaku))

As you may be aware, some customers have been unable to connect to the PlayStation Network today. This problem affects the models other than the new slim PS3.

We believe we have identified that this problem is being caused by a bug in the clock functionality incorporated in the system.

Errors include:
* The date of the PS3 system may be re-set to Jan 1, 2000.
* When the user tries to sign-in to the PlayStation Network, the following message appears on the screen; "An error has occurred. You have been signed out of PlayStation Network (8001050F)".
* When the user tries to launch a game, the following error message appears on the screen and the trophy data may disappear; "Failed to install trophies. Please exit your game."
* When the user tries to set the time and date of the system via the Internet, the following message appears on the screen; "The current date and time could not be obtained. (8001050F)"
* Users are not able to playback certain rental video downloaded from the PlayStation Store before the expiration date.

We hope to resolve this problem within the next 24 hours. In the meantime, if you have a model other than the new slim PS3, we advise that you do not use your PS3 system, as doing so may result in errors in some functionality, such as recording obtained trophies, and not being able to restore certain data.

As mentioned above, Please be advised that the new slim PS3 is not affected with this error. We are doing our best to resolve the issue and do apologize for any inconvenience caused.

For the latest status on this situation please check either the PlayStation blog (blog.us.playstation.com) or PlayStation.com.

[NightRain]

I've decided to add, so much for the 10 year life cycle. The systems were basically counting down to self destruct. It looks like Sony is hoping that when 12:00 GMT strikes again the problem goes away they don't really seem to be doing anything. If it doesn't work again soon do you think they'll do a recall and replace phat ps3's with slims?

[Capt_Thad]

I've decided to add, so much for the 10 year life cycle. The systems were basically counting down to self destruct. It looks like Sony is hoping that when 12:00 GMT strikes again the problem goes away they don't really seem to be doing anything. If it doesn't work again soon do you think they'll do a recall and replace phat ps3's with slims?

More likely there'll be a phat-only firmware update released at some point in the very near future.

[EvilPanda]

This guy resumes the situation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aimPRKfqKGw
I lol'ed.

[HALO 32]

I'm glad I went though Heavy Rain on Saturday morning.

[Samstag]

We hope to resolve this problem within the next 24 hours.

Translation: It'll fix itself tonight at midnight.

[dr_qwandry]

I've decided to add, so much for the 10 year life cycle. The systems were basically counting down to self destruct. It looks like Sony is hoping that when 12:00 GMT strikes again the problem goes away they don't really seem to be doing anything. If it doesn't work again soon do you think they'll do a recall and replace phat ps3's with slims?

There is no way i'm taking a slim, I have a 60gig for backwards compatability.

[Capt_Thad]

This guy resumes the situation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aimPRKfqKGw
I lol'ed.

haha "They're trying to get rid of fat things! I'm going extinct!"

[TheBot]

Yeah I won't be turning on mine then. Damn. GoWIII demo too. Man.

My buddy txted me at 4am, 3 times, in an angry txt mood. Here is the following communication from him. Of course I did not respond, I am asleep at 4am. Timestamps to help the emotional state :

Monday 4:00 AM Friend: Does your PS3 getting the leap year bug error 8001050F when u try 2 sign on 2 the playstation network?????????? (Yes, exact # of ?s, this tells me he's panicking.)
Monday 4:02 AM Friend: We might be fucked it's effecting all pre-slim models (When he says we might be fucked its good indication that he is panicking and possibly smoking a lot)
Monday 4:04AM Friend: Sony is pissing me the fuck off (Now I can tell he's really pissed and that Sony, which he loves Sony everything, is about to lose his business)

Good work Sony, you're losing customers in minutes. I bet you some tech filed this bug and Sony was like, it'll never happen, we'll have PS9000 by then noob. roflzcopter'r'us.

[Radiozo]

Nice work Sony!
You better fix it quick. FF XIII is out soon. Id hate to have to buy it for 360 instead.

[Nainz]

Yeah I won't be turning on mine then. Damn. GoWIII demo too. Man.

My buddy txted me at 4am, 3 times, in an angry txt mood. Here is the following communication from him. Of course I did not respond, I am asleep at 4am. Timestamps to help the emotional state :

Monday 4:00 AM Friend: Does your PS3 getting the leap year bug error 8001050F when u try 2 sign on 2 the playstation network?????????? (Yes, exact # of ?s, this tells me he's panicking.)
Monday 4:02 AM Friend: We might be fucked it's effecting all pre-slim models (When he says we might be fucked its good indication that he is panicking and possibly smoking a lot)
Monday 4:04AM Friend: Sony is pissing me the fuck off (Now I can tell he's really pissed and that Sony, which he loves Sony everything, is about to lose his business)

Good work Sony, you're losing customers in minutes. I bet you some tech filed this bug and Sony was like, it'll never happen, we'll have PS9000 by then noob. roflzcopter'r'us.

In the span of four minutes, they've nearly lost a customer? Kids these days...

[brandonjclark]

Uh oh, a conservative republican. If you think the appointed Czars, or even the president are controlling anything, I think youre mistaken. Obama has been bought and paid for by Lobbyists from the biggest corporations in the country. Namely the insurance and bank sectors. Thats why policy is always looking out for their better interest. Why do you think the watered down healthcare bill he wants to pass, with no public option, leaves loop holes for the insurance companies.

I'm much more afraid of Bill Bernanke being reelected to the senate then I am of any Czars.

They just overruled a bill that's been in place for decades, that when in place, put a cap on how much lobbyists can fund presidential and senate candidates. With this bill being overturned, it also allows for foreign investors to fund candidates. Isn't that pretty.

But anyway, yes if your point is that big business should not be regulated with policy, you're wrong. To not do so would be disastrous for everyone not working for them. I know the elite are so honest, and always looking out for the consumer, keeping them in mind always, and not their bank accounts, but....

....wait, are we allowed to talk politics on this forum? *cringes*

Hi Patrick, welcome to EvilAvatar.com!

I think you'll find many socially conservative persons on this site, although maybe few more outspoken than some.

Question, when did Ben Bernanke get elected to the Senate? Did I miss something here?

How far are you willing to take this approach of regulation against big businesses? Should Congress also regulate how much profit can be made?

*Just trying to get a feel for you here...

BACK ON TOPIC

Wouldn't you hate to be the tester who's going to have to sit there and change the date on several "Test" PS3's incrementally one day at a time to prove that the devices are ok going forward? How far ahead would they test and would they test it against a mock PSN?

[Silverbaine]

hrm Maybe I should of posted my heavy rain problem here instead of the broken PS3 network thread. The only problem Im getting currently with my copy of heavy rain is The title screens resolution is waaay too high. I cant see any of the menu selections so I have to guess what im selecting. After you leave the title screen and start a game/load a game I have no problem. and everything runs fine. The other thing is I currently do not have the ps3 connected to the internet.

[Johan]

Just trying to get a feel for you here...

Quit copping thread feels! Disengage creepy mode! ;)

[brandonjclark]

/dirtyunclemode = 0

Sorry, the PSN network bug might be affecting more systems than previously determined!

[Arnage]

Some good news: apparently it does not affect all fat models. I have one of the last fat models (that came with a 160 gig drive) and I was able to sign into PSN, play games and get trophies just fine. :)

Now let's hope they give away some free psn game for the inconvenience that I did not experience and I'll actually be better off because of this :p

[NightRain]

haha "They're trying to get rid of fat things! I'm going extinct!"

I like the cupcakes and video games comment. ummm.. cupcakes.

[TheBot]

In the span of four minutes, they've nearly lost a customer? Kids these days...

Who said they were a kid, kid? I was being dramatic not serious. But it definitely upsets customers if they can't use their product. With customers like this it makes them uneasy to use the product again. They get paranoid about it. *shrug* It's not kids, its people.

[blackzc]

Hard copy torrents for the W. Yall some busters.

[TeeCakes]

I like how this guy will justify and defend anything Sony does, and when called on it, after making statements about how everyone's blowing things out of proportion, will fall back on "I didn't say they didn't screw up". That's called the sophist approach, my friend.

What part of me responding to OJG's inflammatory anti-PSN graphic did I claim that Sony didn't screw up? You call my argument the sophist approach, I call your argument irrational. Precisely because it's not based on any tenable point aside from my perceived reputation on these threads.

How about you argue the things people actually say, and not your flawed guessing of their mysterious ulterior motives, guy.

When you make defensive or attack statements at people who are frustrated at or making fun of something Sony has done, or is doing, or allowed to happen, then cover your arguement's ass with backing up, and stating in a much milder sense, how you're not saying it's okay, it looks pretty douchy.

I'm supposed to take criticism from a guy that can't even spell 'argument' correctly? (How's that for 'douchy', buddy? :D)

Sony screwed up. Mistakes happen, but we're talking about expensive electronics, that Microsoft nor Sony want to fully stand behind. This isn't Sony hate. I'm also on my fourth Xbox360, and if I didn't love the games on the system so much, I'd drop kick it out the window, and not buy another again.

Sony screwed up. I was pointing out that in comparison to the RROD fiasco, Sony's response their screw-up is leagues better. That's a fact, whether you want to admit it or not. If you think acknowledging that is somehow 'defending' Sony, then you first have to recognize that Sony's being somehow 'attacked'. As you just said, mistakes happen, and it's really only how a company responds to these mistakes that we as a consumer can judge them. So saying, I again find the comparisons to the RROD scandal 'cute' considering that Sony has been on top of this issue from Day 1.

[PatrickRes9]

What part of me responding to OJG's inflammatory anti-PSN graphic did I claim that Sony didn't screw up? You call my argument the sophist approach, I call your argument irrational. Precisely because it's not based on any tenable point aside from my perceived reputation on these threads.


Reputation stands alone. "Perceived" is already implied within the word. Why might you have that reputation? All I'm saying is that Sony screwed up, and someone made fun of it with satire. People do this constantly. You then acted like a hurt school boy. As though this graphic was aimed directly at you. That would be blind brand loyalty. It was just the way you responded to it. As though it were more then a half-hearted joke at someones screw up.


I'm supposed to take criticism from a guy that can't even spell 'argument' correctly? (How's that for 'douchy', buddy? :D)

Oh. You're the kind of person who'd completely overlook or dismiss an idea simply because of a typo or spelling error. Isn't that what you do when you have nothing else you can say? :P



Sony screwed up. I was pointing out that in comparison to the RROD fiasco, Sony's response their screw-up is leagues better.(This guy was talking to me about proper grammar.) That's a fact, whether you want to admit it or not. If you think acknowledging that is somehow 'defending' Sony, then you first have to recognize that Sony's being somehow 'attacked'. As you just said, mistakes happen, and it's really only how a company responds to these mistakes that we as a consumer can judge them. So saying, I again find the comparisons to the RROD scandal 'cute' considering that Sony has been on top of this issue from Day 1.

I was just referring to your response on the graphic that was posted. This "fiasco" nowhere near encroaches the level of the RROD. This lasted what, a day? The RROD is STILL* killing systems. To be fair though, they're incomparable. The RROD is a much larger problem, and it would be interesting to see how Sony would handle something of that magnitude

[PatrickRes9]

Hi Patrick, welcome to EvilAvatar.com!

I think you'll find many socially conservative persons on this site, although maybe few more outspoken than some.

That's okay. I guess I could be considered progressive, but I have some fairly conservative ideas.

Question, when did Ben Bernanke get elected to the Senate? Did I miss something here?

Sorry, I meant to say he got elected by* the senate(again) to Fed Reserve Chairman. Yay. He handled Bank of America and Goldman Sachs so very well the first time around.


How far are you willing to take this approach of regulation against big businesses? Should Congress also regulate how much profit can be made?

I believe so, if they're unfairly gouging the consumer for a product of high importance, such as health insurance. You can't expect all sectors of big business to keep themselves in check. Nor can you rely on competition. That's the important part. Why can't you rely on competition to keep prices in check?

You can't rely on competition to keep prices in check, because even in a free market, the end result of competition is always a monopoly or a cartel. This is why we have the few massive corporations at the top of virtually every important sector of big business in America.

Lets say for a moment that you have 4 computer stores in a town. All of them are relatively new, and they're all competing. That's what we want to see, right? It'll keep prices in check. One of them starts to do really well, and in fact so well, he puts two of the other three out of business. Well, thats okay, because we still have two competing.

The store that survived the other doing so well, is lingering around, making enough profit to stay. So this store doesn't fold, but the first store I mentioned decides to buy them out. They still operate at independent locations, but they follow the same marketing strategies. Now we have a cartel.

So we went from 4 computer stores, to 1 entity owning 2 computer stores. With no competition, do you really think these guys will keep themselves completely honest in pricing?

Regardless of whether the consumer may be able to travel to another town (that's not the point), the end result of a free market, on a varying timescale, left completely unchecked by regulation, will always be a monopoly or cartel, and none of this is good for anyone but the employees of that company.

The argument against this is that you're stripping away big business's ability to become as big as they want, and thus denying them of the "American Dream". It's un-American. That doesn't even remotely begin to fly with me. At what cost? Especially with necessities like health insurance. Now you're losing 17% of your pay to have insurance, because if you don't and something happens to you, even a simple surgery, you'll have a debt that will take you 30 years to pay off.

From someone who makes $350 a week, and groceries alone cost me $130 a week, gas $80 a week, where do I have enough money to pay these huge premiums when I still have rent, electricity, and vehicle insurance payments coming? I don't. And I didn't have insurance, namely as I couldn't afford it, when I needed a surgery. A very simple 30 minute surgery. I ended out with a $10,000 bill, not including previous visits.

The Medical and health insurance industries must be kept in check, as it's become impossible not to be in a constant state of debt, unable to even consider the possibility of affording to take a single sick day from work. I'd call that slavery.


BACK ON TOPIC

Wouldn't you hate to be the tester who's going to have to sit there and change the date on several "Test" PS3's incrementally one day at a time to prove that the devices are ok going forward? How far ahead would they test and would they test it against a mock PSN?

They'd probably have to go years ahead, and against a mock, or the actual PSN. It'd pretty much be a nightmare akin to everyone having to change date codes on everything for the year 2000.

[TeeCakes]

All I'm saying is that Sony screwed up, and someone made fun of it with satire. People do this constantly. You then acted like a hurt school boy. As though this graphic was aimed directly at you. That would be blind brand loyalty. It was just the way you responded to it. As though it were more then a half-hearted joke at someones screw up.

Cute graphics. I'm sure it was done by some poor 360 RROD victim with entirely too much time on their hands. :rolleyes:

Riiiight. So me responding to a sarcastic graphic with more sarcasm is "acting like a hurt school boy" in your fantasy world. You really have a problem with throwing around insults when they're not even remotely called for.

We aren't writing critical essays here. Your meticulously incorrect analysis of what my "implied emotional undercurrent" was when I posted that reply to OJG's pic is not at all relevant to what I actually said.

Oh. You're the kind of person who'd completely overlook or dismiss an idea simply because of a typo or spelling error. Isn't that what you do when you have nothing else you can say? :P

No, actually as a rule I completely overlook any idiot's post that can't escape referring to someone 'douchy', unprovoked. The sloppy typos just made it a lock! :cool:

I was just referring to your response on the graphic that was posted. This "fiasco" nowhere near encroaches the level of the RROD. This lasted what, a day? The RROD is STILL* killing systems. To be fair though, they're incomparable. The RROD is a much larger problem, and it would be interesting to see how Sony would handle something of that magnitude

I'm glad you can admit that my 'sarcastic response' to OJG's graphics was funny because it's true. That's how I roll.

[PatrickRes9]

Riiiight. So me responding to a sarcastic graphic with more sarcasm is "acting like a hurt school boy" in your fantasy world. You really have a problem with throwing around insults when they're not even remotely called for.

It wasn't sarcasm, though. It was too defensive in nature. But I guess I did overreact. What I saw as blind brand fanboy-ism just rubbed me the wrong way, as it seemed like you were sort of attacking the guy who made the post. Maybe not.

We aren't writing critical essays here. Your meticulously incorrect analysis of what my "implied emotional undercurrent" was when I posted that reply to OJG's pic is not at all relevant to what I actually said.

Well, conversation is seldom black and white. I think its fine to read implications, and analyze them, making it completely relevant to what you said. People make implications constantly within their conversation, or we'd take everything completely literally all the time, right?



No, actually as a rule I completely overlook any idiot's post that can't escape referring to someone 'douchy', unprovoked. The sloppy typos just made it a lock! :cool:

I don't think invoking the usage of "douchy" is a reflection of ones intellect, but that's fine. I suppose it was pretty unprovoked, though. Sorry, man.

I'd hardly call it sloppy typos, as it was just one. If we're talking about meticulousness, I'd apply that to anyone who'd bother to proof read a video game forum for a single typo, hoping to not look "stupid" to anyone who has nothing better to do then negate the meaning of a paragraph simply over a typo.




I'm glad you can admit that my 'sarcastic response' to OJG's graphics was funny because it's true. That's how I roll.

It was funny I guess, and Sony did handle the situation fairly well in the end. I did think the graphic was rather funny too. Although, I'm not suggesting you were right:P That's how I roll:cool:

Anyway, I guess I was being douchy. Sorry. Must have been having a bad day. I'm not a troll! :eek::(