PS3 Delay Official in Japan, 2007 in US?

[Borys]

It's official guys.

1UP (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3148763) has the scoop.

Today, Sony officially conceded defeat to the recent flurry of rumors and speculation, with Japanese newspaper Nihon Keizai Shimbun reporting the company has confirmed the machine has been pushed back until November.

There aren't many details out right now, but Sony says copy protection technology related to their Blu-ray disc drive is the cause of the delay.
Way to hand the generation to Microsoft, Sony, way to go.

Thanks Reed and joruussuun for the link. And thanks to Borys for breaking the news before 1up.

[Schnoogs]

Links???????????

[Rakael]

For real Borys, links! WTF man?!

[Borys]

Patience... it will spill over the channels in a few hours.

Microsoft stock went UP, UP, UP after this news.

I'm totally trashed by this :(, feeling so emo right now.

[Mortis]

Wha? Sucks if it's true.

[bKangy]

Bloody hell, it's as if Sony didn't bother to turn up to the first half of a sports game, and just let the opposition run in points unopposed.

[Rakael]

Eh, it's not like its unexpected really.

[harle]

I thought Sony's official press release was tomorrow.

[Rakael]

One good point for Sony, if they do wait until 2007 to realease the thing, they could make it much more powerful than the 360. Well, in the graphics department anyways.

[rein]

Not sure where you got the info Borys but for some reason I trust you on this one. Sad news indeed.

[Heretic Machine]

Doesn't bother me... Just means that this generation is well staggered. One year for the 360, one year for the Revolution, one year for the PS3, and two years before the next XBOX. Hell, I like it.

[bone_matrix]

Well, after all we HAVEN'T seen from Sony, I wouldn't be suprised if this is true.

[Hg-203]

A little shocking to hear this, but not really a surprise, at least this should allow the move to put blue-ray into the PS3 and not cost an astronomical amount, given it still will be expensive, but not the 500+ that I saw flying around. On a side note, me being more of an *** fanboy then a Sony fanboy, Halo 3 delayed to 07?

[Everlost_MI]

Hmmm...Ok I'll go and finally buy a PS2.

[EternalGamer]

If this is true, it doesn't necessarily mean all that much. It depends on what developers have up their sleeve for Fall release on the 360. So far from what I've seen, there isn't anything that has mass mainstream appeal on the 360 that is going to drive sales. They don't seem have a very diversified lineup. Very few "kid oriented" type games, and no GTA type of game with wide appeal. FPS are not going to win over the entire public. Not even Halo.

Dan

[Borys]

Did I ever lied to you guys?

Of course you'll always be able to import one, comes Christmas 2006, from Japan...

[bapenguin]

Wow. Just wow. I really thought they'd hit holiday season in the US. That's a HUGE loss for Sony.

[fitbabits]

If this is true, then Sony needs to prep itself for the next-gen Ban Hammer.

[joruussuun]

1UP has the story... (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3148763)
Looks like Borys was right... well November in Japan is all that is confirmed, so probably 2007 here in the States. (Man where do you get your info Borys? You were at least a half hour before I saw this anywhere else on the net.)

[divinechaos]

Shouldnt this be in the news section? Im sure it'll piss people off!

[Hg-203]

Wait, they're delaying because don't think know that they can meet the demand?

[Borys]

Looks like Borys was right...

I'm always right.

Lifetime permaban on my account if this ends up false.

Man where do you get your info Borys? You were at least a half hour before I saw this anywhere else on the net.

:)

Damn this is a sad day for me, a PS2 owner...

[Major Dan]

Hmmm...Ok I'll go and finally buy a PS2.
Thats funny, I LOL. Thanks.


Well, I am a bit surprised, really would have thought they would have got it out in Nov. But, now I can't wait to see how MS handles it. Halo3 when???

[Heretic Machine]

I really don't see what the big deal is. This only gives them more time to prepare, and more time for the 360's hype to wind down. They'll be able to grab up a lot of people who are getting their second or third consoles for this generation, rather than trying to steal customers from Microsoft or Nintendo.

I think this will work to their advantage, and to the advantage of consumers. It will be interesting to see how this effects the Revolution launch in Japan, however.

[bapenguin]

Moved to front page and made it postable.

[Borys]

Thanks, bap, I simply couldn't do it myself.

[CapnBob]

I really would like to be a good sport about this, but.... Hahahahahahahahahaaaaahahahah!

[EternalGamer]

I really don't see what the big deal is. This only gives them more time to prepare, and more time for the 360's hype to wind down. They'll be able to grab up a lot of people who are getting their second or third consoles for this generation, rather than trying to steal customers from Microsoft or Nintendo.

I think this will work to their advantage, and to the advantage of consumers. It will be interesting to see how this effects the Revolution launch in Japan, however.


The big deal is most people are NOT going to buy 2 or three next generation consoles. People who do are the minority. It's a chance for MS to gain some serious momentum that can't be stopped. In the U.S. anyway. I think we may see a big split over the most popular system this generation. PS3 in Japan, 360 in the US.

Dan

[Everlost_MI]

Thats funny, I LOL. Thanks.

Well, I am a bit surprised, really would have thought they would have got it out in Nov. But, now I can't wait to see how MS handles it. Halo3 when???

Well I was dragging my feet on getting a PS2 because the PS3 was/is going to be backwards compatible. Maybe Sony will try and capitalize on this delay by lowering the PS2 a bit more?

BTW, excellent tip Borys.

[benig]

By then, Microsoft will have sold at LEAST 1,000 360's in Japan! How will Sony hold up to that?!

[Oddmaker]

hahaha, i knew this would happen :)

[Serapth]

hahaha, i knew this would happen :)

WOW! I so didnt see this coming. I mean, when was the last time Sony ever lied to anyone....?

Oh wait!

Oh, and to all the people saying this is a good thing for Sony because they can make the machine more powerful. Thats not really true. Dev kits are already out there, if they do any major tinkering with whats inside they will majorly piss off existing devs, not to mention cause huge problems with the first generation of games.

About the only positive from this to sony is that component costs may drop a bit.

[gzsfrk]

I propose a group hug for the benefit of Borys, DirtyHarry, and the other local Sony loyalists.

Seriously, guys--Don't pick up the gun. If you need to talk, I'm here.

;)

[Everlost_MI]

Suddenly the announcement (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthred.php?t=10605) of God of War 2 being developed for the PS2 makes alot more sense.

[Deathbane27]

When's the Revolution coming out again? ;)

By then, Microsoft will have sold at LEAST 1,000 360's in Japan! How will Sony hold up to that?!

Sad but true. But still funny! And yet sad, and yet funny... jaofgheqrhta!

[GrinR]

I'm not sure why people care. Aside from that joke we saw a while back, we haven't seen hardly anything to get excited about from the PS3. There's been lots of talk about it's capabilities and features - but that's about it.

Meanwhile, back in reality, there is the Xbox360 which, if you can find it, is clearly the best console you can own. It has the tech, it has the network, and finally it has the games.

I'll surely be called a xbox fanboi, or a sony-hater, or whatever, but that's not the point! I'll buy the PS3 same as I did the PS2 - when it's available and with games I want to play. Until then, who cares?

[Kamalot]

One good point for Sony, if they do wait until 2007 to realease the thing, they could make it much more powerful than the 360. Well, in the graphics department anyways.
They aren't going to change the specs in the box at this point. It is what it is. Based on the screen shots from a few days ago, it isn't much of a system either.

I've said it before, the PS3 is a slave to Bluray, and that isn't good for gamers. Here is the proof. If Sony wanted to make a game machine, there would be no Bluray in PS3 and it would launch this fall in the USA.

The rest of Sony is dragging the PS3 down.

[rein]

I don't mind the hardware delay if they can get more titles ready for the launch.

[Everlost_MI]

When's the Revolution coming out again? ;)

I was actually just thinking that Nintendo could capitalize on this, especially if they keep the low price point and bring out some quality titles with it (aside from the new Zelda).

[motor]

Patience... it will spill over the channels in a few hours.

Microsoft stock went UP, UP, UP after this news.

I'm totally trashed by this :(, feeling so emo right now.

yeah...like 15 whole cents! or in relative terms almost 0.5%!

I wish I had gotten in on that investment opportunity!

Please, get a grip on reality.

[Vandenh]

So when launched the PS3 might face a $199 360 and a $150 Rev. That Bluray better be worth it.

[Heretic Machine]

Oh, and to all the people saying this is a good thing for Sony because they can make the machine more powerful. Thats not really true. Dev kits are already out there, if they do any major tinkering with whats inside they will majorly piss off existing devs, not to mention cause huge problems with the first generation of games.

I was thinking more about polishing their existing tech, and adding on a GOOD online service that's at least equivalent to Live.

[Kamalot]

The PS3 is looking more and more like the PSP: Launched in the US in Spring, hampered by movies instead of games, unfocused and delayed.

The saddest part is that the PS3 hardware will look very long in the tooth by the time it hits.

[Zanzibar]

They aren't going to change the specs in the box at this point. It is what it is. Based on the screen shots from a few days ago, it isn't much of a system either.

I've said it before, the PS3 is a slave to Bluray, and that isn't good for gamers. Here is the proof. If Sony wanted to make a game machine, there would be no Bluray in PS3 and it would launch this fall in the USA.

The rest of Sony is dragging the PS3 down.

Agreed - the GPU design is finalized.

HOWEVER - get this guys - the extra time will mean that the devs will be working on FINALIZED HARDWARE for a longer period of time, thus potentially mitigating the "launch titles look like ass" effect. Remember, it's the Blu-Ray drive that's holding everything up, not the Cell or GPU, which means the devs basically will have their finalized game pipeline any day now. Most games won't use Blu-Ray discs anyways. ALSO, the extra time will bring construction costs down. They may now be able to launch at $400.

[Serapth]

I was thinking more about polishing their existing tech, and adding on a GOOD online service that's at least equivalent to Live.

Yeah, but atleast in regards to Live, Microsoft isnt exactly going to be standing still. I wouldnt be suprised that by the time the PS3 actually launches, live will be a great deal better. Or, atleast that it will have an iTunes music and movie type interface by then. Gamingwise, I cant see it getting a whole lot better.

Oh, and that camera thingy will be out, and video chat will be integrated aswell, not that that feature really gets me going. Probrably just means 1 in 10 gamer pics will be self portraits of some guys dick.

[EternalGamer]

Kamalot makes a good point. If anybody needed proof that Sony's main goal w/ the PS3 is to gain multimedia dominance in the living room rather just create a game machine this is it. The PS3 is clearly their attempt at a Trojan horse, but it might be one that backfires significantly.

Dan

[Rendelius]

I pity those who have developed games for the PS3, anticipating that the console would be out pretty soon. Hell, that could even mean ruin to some companies. Having a finished product and not being able to sell it .- that sucks.

[bapenguin]

Agreed - the GPU design is finalized.

HOWEVER - get this guys - the extra time will mean that the devs will be working on FINALIZED HARDWARE for a longer period of time, thus potentially mitigating the "launch titles look like ass" effect. Remember, it's the Blu-Ray drive that's holding everything up, not the Cell or GPU, which means the devs basically will have their finalized game pipeline any day now. Most games won't use Blu-Ray discs anyways. ALSO, the extra time will bring construction costs down. They may now be able to launch at $400.

Good points. All positives too. I'd like to see that happen. We could also see more launch titles, I had originally heard 5-10 titles.

[ruprect]

If you're an owner of a PS2 this is actually good news for you. . . God of War 2 is already announced for that platform, and other games will keep coming out. This might even push a lot of companies to develop MORE for Sony's current generation becuase the install base is so large and, apparently, not going to be upgraded any time soon.

Its all about Blu-Ray for Sony now.

P.S. Can't wait to see the full length prerendered KillZone 2 movie though. Thats gonna rock. Maybe they'll show us more of that tomorrow.

[Serapth]

Given the improvement I see in Xbox 360 games already, comparing GRAW and Oblivion against most of the launch title... does it make you wonder just how damned good games will look on the 360 by November?

Really, arent graphics starting to hit the point that you arent going to tell a difference between fast and faster?

[Grimmjow]

Patience... it will spill over the channels in a few hours.

Microsoft stock went UP, UP, UP after this news.

I'm totally trashed by this :(, feeling so emo right now.

i agree, im not feeling all to well either :(

[AbinSur]

I really don't see what the big deal is. This only gives them more time to prepare, and more time for the 360's hype to wind down. They'll be able to grab up a lot of people who are getting their second or third consoles for this generation, rather than trying to steal customers from Microsoft or Nintendo.
I don't see any problems for the PS3 itself. It's not like most people won't still buy one when it comes out. But if I were a major studio who had committed to Blu-Ray because I expected millions of PS3 machines in homes this year... well, I would be a little disappointed. I might take a look at that HD-DVD thing again.

[Major Dan]

I pity those who have developed games for the PS3, anticipating that the console would be out pretty soon. Hell, that could even mean ruin to some companies. Having a finished product and not being able to sell it .- that sucks.

I hadn't thought of this, you are right. Man, developers are going to get majorly screwed. How much was a Dev kit? Sunk cost with no return. Maybe we will see some ports from PS3 to 360 that would be cool. Maybe see some PS exclusive titles on the 360 too?

MS needs to step up to the plate and do some damage.

[lockwoodx]

/sarcastic clap

[Cool AN]

This will get Microsoft time to restock the Xbox 360, if Sony doesn't launch the PS 3 in Europe and the US first. That is very unlikely however.

[Serapth]

I hadn't thought of this, you are right. Man, developers are going to get majorly screwed. How much was a Dev kit? Sunk cost with no return. Maybe we will see some ports from PS3 to 360 that would be cool. Maybe see some PS exclusive titles on the 360 too?

MS needs to step up to the plate and do some damage.

I wouldnt be suprised to find out that Microsofts major strategy is build up as many announcements for when the PS3 was set to launch. Things like announcing Halo 3's release date, some new exclusive games, new services for XBox live.

I gotta wonder how much shit Microsofts been sitting on ( theve been pretty quite since launch ) just waiting for the PS3 to launch. Now that its been pushed back a full 1/2 a year.. I wonder if some analysts are sitting at MS going... um... wtf do we do now?

[Nite_Moogle]

While Microsoft is going to get a huge head-start in the war because of this, Nintendo has got to be snickering that their mockup of a console that didn't even have footage at E3 last year is going to beat the PS3 and its 'real-time' footage on to shelves by several months.

I think Eternal Gamer is dead on, we're going to see a huge disparity in PS3/360 ownership on different sides of the Pacific. More than a few folks that were holding out for the spring PS3 are probably going to drop their cash on a 360 soon, especially if we don't see it until AFTER the holiday season in the US.

[crashedout]

This is pretty bad from a corporate perspective for Sony. They need the holiday season here to pay off some of the R&D for the cell. This may make it very hard for them to ever break even. If you thought losing money on the Xbox 1 was bad... I don't see any good Sony movies coming anytime soon to help them out either. If I had sony stock I would be a might worried.

Maybe the sales in Japan alone will save it, if they are good enough it can limp along over here next year. Maybe.

[Major Dan]

Now that its been pushed back a full 1/2 a year.. I wonder if some analysts are sitting at MS going... um... wtf do we do now?

UmmMMMMHHHHMMMM.......Lets have a BEER! :)

Good points! They will have to rework their strategy for sure. I would be very agressive the rest of this year, if I was at MS. Supposedly the supply problem is gone, now they can concentrate on games that will sell more 360s. Maybe up the $$ spent on ads, and keep the hype rolling. If they really want to grow market share there has never been a better oppertunity.

Damn, I think they need to hire me :D :D

[Dakar]

I'm of two minds right now:

1. This is far from "official" to me and I hope it proves to be untrue.

2. I hope Sony loses BUCKETS of money over delaying a system over F*CKING COPY PROTECTION.

[Dr.Finger]

Disappointing, but not surprising. I thought the Blu-Ray drive would be great for gaming, but not if it means a big delay.

BTW, this does not necessarily mean PS3 won't come out in the US in the fall, just that it won't be out in Japan in the Spring. Sony could still do a worldwide launch like MS did for the 360.

[Heretic Machine]

Sony could still do a worldwide launch like MS did for the 360.

Because that worked so well...

[Grimmjow]

Disappointing, but not surprising. I thought the Blu-Ray drive would be great for gaming, but not if it means a big delay.

BTW, this does not necessarily mean PS3 won't come out in the US in the fall, just that it won't be out in Japan in the Spring. Sony could still do a worldwide launch like MS did for the 360.

i was thinking the same thing, it could mean *possible worldwide release* but who knows, sumtimes i think sony doesnt even know.

[Major Dan]

Disappointing, but not surprising. I thought the Blu-Ray drive would be great for gaming, but not if it means a big delay.

BTW, this does not necessarily mean PS3 won't come out in the US in the fall, just that it won't be out in Japan in the Spring. Sony could still do a worldwide launch like MS did for the 360.

Your right, they could do a world wide launch. They have not done it before, hell no one has ever done it before MS tried with the 360. I guess they could surprise us all and do it, but man I doubt it. See you can launch in Japan with 4 games and get away with it, but not so much in the US.

Maybe we will find out tomorrow for sure.

[Odwalla]

Patience... it will spill over the channels in a few hours.

Microsoft stock went UP, UP, UP after this news.

I'm totally trashed by this :(, feeling so emo right now.

Borys, as of 2:44pm (EDT) Microsoft's stock has gone up $0.18 (0.66%) today. That's not up up up. Granted, around 10:00am it had almost gone up ~$0.25 per share, but it's fallen off since then. A quarter a share, when the shares are trading at ~$27.20, isn't any huge jump.

[Oddmaker]

They say Bluray is causing the delay? Well Sony do lie :p

[Skizott]

What a way to ruin my day.

[Deathbane27]

2. I hope Sony loses BUCKETS of money over delaying a system over F*CKING COPY PROTECTION.

Quoted for truth.



Blu-Ray and the Cell... Sony's stockholders are probably http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3144/cryanddrown.gif

[Zacharai]

I like this. I make good money, but not enough to juggle a new computer, 360, HDTV, DS Lite, and PS3 all in the same year. Something had to give, and that's a good choice -- I am looking forward to more use out of my PS2.

[Knightsaber]

So what this all means is that by the time the PS3 comes out, I might be able to -see- a premium 360 in the box, on a shelf, at a store near me? :)

[Deathbane27]

So what this all means is that by the time the PS3 comes out, I might be able to -see- a premium 360 in the box, on a shelf, at a store near me? :)

That's still a bit iffy, what with Oblivion's PC system requirements being what they are. :( :p :confused: :eek:

[Grimmjow]

So what this all means is that by the time the PS3 comes out, I might be able to -see- a premium 360 in the box, on a shelf, at a store near me? :)

lol so true i cant believe, today i cant even walk int oa best buy and find a premium x360 STILL!

[Zanzibar]

Sony: Here, Microsoft, have the car keys.

Microsoft: Yay! Thanks! (Thinks for a minute) So...what do we do with them?

Seriously. It's up to Microsoft now. If they fuck this up the way they fucked up the X360 launch...man.

[Deathbane27]

lol so true i cant believe, today i cant even walk int oa best buy and find a premium x360 STILL!

Tried a Toys R Us or Target or Fred Meyer? Best Buy is where everyone's going to look first.

[Orosco]

....................rats.

[Yeti2005]

I've recently seen more and more 360s in the wild (Circuit City, Best Buy in the Tampa area) so they are slowly becoming more available. I'd be surprised in a month if you couldn't walk into any shop and pick one up.

[Heretic Machine]

I've seen 360's in Wal-marts on several occassions.

[Abash Alarmist]

What irks me is that they are announcing that the new God of War game is coming next February...What the hell. That is the same time that a US PS3 launch would seem possible if it was released during the Fall in Japan. Asinine.

[Wedge]

That means Halo 3 early 2007 then.

[Kamalot]

Does everyone realize that this means the PS3 won't be out in the USA until THIS TIME NEXT YEAR?!

Why?

Cause of games?

No

Cause of Bluray.

Sony crammed the slow-loading UMD drive in the PSP to sell you movies, not cause it would make a great game experience. As such, games suffer. Gamers suffer.

Sony is doing it again with Bluray. They don't care about gamers. They only care that PS2 sold 100 million units. They are going to rape gamers to get their 'standards' out there.

Bluray is not good for gamers. This delay is living proof.

http://kamalot.blogspot.com/2006/03/sonys-ps3-ark.html

Instead of having a system that is 6 months away, we now have a system that is a full year away from our hands thanks to some schmucks in the movie division who don't give a rat's ass about gamers.

[bKangy]

I'm in the UK, I think I saw someone taking one home from a Gamestation at the weekend. I wasn't too sure though, as I couldn't see through the bag, but the way he was talking about it so damned loudly it must have been. Anyway, I know at least 3 people with one right now, so they're definately starting to become more common.

[RMan]

Although this is definitely good for MS and bad for Sony, I think it’s far from the death blow that many hardcore gamers think it is. Unless they release something really special this year, I’d bet the PS2 hardware and software outsells the 360 this Christmas, even with the shortage issues cleared up. I wouldn’t shed a tear if this really hurt Sony, but I just don’t think it will be hugely significant. Last year I likely wouldn’t have thought so, but MS has not been able to capitalize on an early launch, and I see no indication that further Sony delays will be significantly different (although, as little as one hit game can turn it around, so we’ll see).

[Magnanimous Gnome]

This also means that the 360 will continue to be ridiculously expensive for the forseeable future. I wasn't interested at all at launch, but now my interest has gone up somewhat because of Oblivion. I refuse to buy one until it reaches a more sane price though. $400 for the console and $50 for a wireless controller is not reasonable at all in my book. I was anticipating a price drop when the PS3 hit this year, but it looks like I may have to wait for quite a while now.

They might drop the price a bit when the Revolution hits, but I'll be too busy enjoying a new Super Smash Brothers to care. :p

[Heretic Machine]

This also means that the 360 will continue to be ridiculously expensive for the forseeable future. I wasn't interested at all at launch, but now my interest has gone up somewhat because of Oblivion. I refuse to buy one until it reaches a more sane price though. $400 for the console and $50 for a wireless controller is not reasonable at all in my book. I was anticipating a price drop when the PS3 hit this year, but it looks like I may have to wait for quite a while now.

I'll agree that the perphriel prices for the 360 are outrageous right now. I still haven't bought a second controller. Though, this isn't as big of a deal as most of my multiplayer is done online anyway.

[motor]

This also means that the 360 will continue to be ridiculously expensive for the forseeable future. I wasn't interested at all at launch, but now my interest has gone up somewhat because of Oblivion. I refuse to buy one until it reaches a more sane price though. $400 for the console and $50 for a wireless controller is not reasonable at all in my book. I was anticipating a price drop when the PS3 hit this year, but it looks like I may have to wait for quite a while now.

They might drop the price a bit when the Revolution hits, but I'll be too busy enjoying a new Super Smash Brothers to care. :p

I don't think this will have much effect of price drop plans. At this point Microsoft wants to do everything they can to increase the number of sold units to shore up the walls before Sony hits, so if the parts get $50 cheaper, expect the price to come down $50.

Someone of microsoft told me that they believed that the first one to hit 20 million units would be the winner of this generation and that is what their strategy is built on. The more lead time, the more confident they are that they can get to that number, but don't expect anything that "leverages" Sony's problems until after they hit the 20 million. Then they might do something like keep the price steady if Sony is doing badly, or raise the royalty fee for developers. Until they cross that finish line they aren't going to do anything to slow their momentum.

[askheaves]

When Animal Crossing: Wild World was going through it's tough-to-find phase, I hit up 10 places in one day looking for it (as a later-that-day-last-chance gift to someone) until I stumbled on 6 copies at Sears. They didn't even know it was rare. Moral of the story, Best Buy isn't going to be the best stocked place in town during a shortage.

And I hope MS, for its own sake, does this right. Start with a steady supply of a variety of games throughout this year in order to up the installed base. This is a free year for them. Then, come holiday season, release Halo 3 and a couple of other big titles. This will get systems in people's houses over christmas. Following that, 2 or 3 strong months of good games in that normal good-game-drought period early 2007. Add into that some community support for opening the system up to building the type of apps that make a hacked XBox so handy.

Come spring next year, the non-multiple-machine group is going to be in the Xbox camp already, and it's going to be a tough sell for people to start over with a new system, locked down, already a year old in technology, at a higher price point with few to no games to speak of.

MS is lucky, while Sony is fighting its own greed. All MS has to do now is not be dumb. The path to dominance will be consistency and friendliness with gamers.

[Ozymandias]

I'm of two minds right now:

1. This is far from "official" to me and I hope it proves to be untrue.

2. I hope Sony loses BUCKETS of money over delaying a system over F*CKING COPY PROTECTION.

Umm... ever hear of plausible deniability? Copy protection might be a minor part of what's causing the delay, but frankly, the games just aren't there yet to support a Fall (much less Spring) launch this year. If it wasn't copy protection there would be another fallguy to point to. Better than "we lied about our dates to try and delay Microsoft's advance", right?

<sigh> On the plus side, it gives them a chance to get to at least a Live 1.0.

[Zanzibar]

I dunno, guys, it would not surprise me if Microsoft drops the X360 price $50 this Christmas. They HAVE to capitalize on the PS3 delay, and generate goodwill towards gamers.

[Serapth]

Although this is definitely good for MS and bad for Sony, I think it’s far from the death blow that many hardcore gamers think it is. Unless they release something really special this year, I’d bet the PS2 hardware and software outsells the 360 this Christmas, even with the shortage issues cleared up. I wouldn’t shed a tear if this really hurt Sony, but I just don’t think it will be hugely significant. Last year I likely wouldn’t have thought so, but MS has not been able to capitalize on an early launch, and I see no indication that further Sony delays will be significantly different (although, as little as one hit game can turn it around, so we’ll see).

I'd take a piece of that action. 20$, you pick the currency, that 360 outsells the Ps2 come next Christmas! :)

[t3kl3r]

Oh well... doesn't really change much for me. This year I'm upgrading my PC (significantly), and getting a Rev. Xbox and Xbox360 rarely interest me so I'm still not getting one. And if PS3 isn't coming out until next year, I've got all the time in the world to decide if I want one. Maybe Sony can use the extra time to make a console that doesn't poop itself within a year. I'm on my 3rd PS2 and it's not working the greatest either. Lucky for me, I managed to only pay for the 1st one, but still.

[gzsfrk]

Although this is definitely good for MS and bad for Sony, I think it’s far from the death blow that many hardcore gamers think it is. Unless they release something really special this year, I’d bet the PS2 hardware and software outsells the 360 this Christmas, even with the shortage issues cleared up. I wouldn’t shed a tear if this really hurt Sony, but I just don’t think it will be hugely significant. Last year I likely wouldn’t have thought so, but MS has not been able to capitalize on an early launch, and I see no indication that further Sony delays will be significantly different (although, as little as one hit game can turn it around, so we’ll see).

Now see... this is just as flagrant an example of pro-Sony rationalization as I've seen. If you honestly don't believe that Sony ceding two Christmases in a row in the US to Microsoft would be catastrophic for them, then you're simply delusional. If the 360 is STILL the latest, greatest games console on the market this December, THAT'S what the parents will be scrambling to buy for their kids. Whether we like to admit it or not, parents buying consoles for their kids is still the majority of the market for videogames (although this is continuing to slowly change).

For seasoned gamers, yes, the decision of consoles can rest with one killer app. However, it's not really so with kids--they want the newest, shiniest. Last I read, PSP was holding its own with the DS as far as sales in the US go. What is that based on? It's certainly not based on the game library available, as pretty much anyone can see that the DS library crushes the PSP available titles in both variety and quality (overall--there are some crap titles on both). No, from talking to my younger cousins, they want it because it's the "cooler" thing to have.

So if Sony can manage to release the PS3 before this Christmas in the states, then they have to be considered the odds on favorite to maintain their position as market leader (albeit most likely by a smaller margin than the previous gen). If not, then they are in deep, deep trouble.

[Abednigo]

If the 360 is STILL the latest, greatest games console on the market this December, THAT'S what the parents will be scrambling to buy for their kids. Whether we like to admit it or not, parents buying consoles for their kids is still the majority of the market for videogames (although this is continuing to slowly change).

Someone may have already said this, but I don't have time to read through 90 other posts at the moment.

I think this will help Nintendo more than it will hurt Sony.

[Heretic Machine]

For seasoned gamers, yes, the decision of consoles can rest with one killer app. However, it's not really so with kids--they want the newest, shiniest. Last I read, PSP was holding its own with the DS as far as sales in the US go. What is that based on? It's certainly not based on the game library available, as pretty much anyone can see that the DS library crushes the PSP available titles in both variety and quality (overall--there are some crap titles on both). No, from talking to my younger cousins, they want it because it's the "cooler" thing to have.

Except the very reason they want the PSP, is because of Sony brand loyalty that has already been drilled into them at an early age. I had loyalties too when I was young, and the choices were between Sega and Nintendo... You better believe that they can hold out for the PS3. Not that they will, many of them will likely get multiple consoles. If their primary loyalty is to Sony, I wouldn't be surprised if they went with the Microsoft console. Nintendo continues to lose the younger generation of gamers, as they are viewed as "kiddy" which is exactly the opposite of what kids want.

[gzsfrk]

Someone may have already said this, but I don't have time to read through 90 other posts at the moment.

I think this will help Nintendo more than it will hurt Sony.

I think that's possibly true in Japan. But here in the states, I'd say the order goes:

1. Helps Microsoft
2. Hurts Sony
3. Helps Nintendo

Japan probably looks more like:

1. Helps Nintendo
2. Hurts Sony
3. Helps Dreamcast - Special Edition
4. Helps Saturn - Special Edition
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30. Helps Microsoft

=)

[jeffool]

I dunno, guys, it would not surprise me if Microsoft drops the X360 price $50 this Christmas. They HAVE to capitalize on the PS3 delay, and generate goodwill towards gamers.And let's not forget that Nintendo is coming this Christmas with 'teh cheapness'.

[gzsfrk]

Except the very reason they want the PSP, is because of Sony brand loyalty that has already been drilled into them at an early age. I had loyalties too when I was young, and the choices were between Sega and Nintendo... You better believe that they can hold out for the PS3. Not that they will, many of them will likely get multiple consoles. If their primary loyalty is to Sony, I wouldn't be surprised if they went with the Microsoft console. Nintendo continues to lose the younger generation of gamers, as they are viewed as "kiddy" which is exactly the opposite of what kids want.

I think you're largely right, but I would argue that brand loyalty for a kid comes and goes with what is perceived as cool by the population at large. And it's infinitely easier to perceive the 360 as being cool when it is here and available, than the PS3 which is likely a year off. And don't forget far off a year seems when you're 12. :)

Also, with the prices of consoles being $400 this time around (assuming Sony matches suit with MS on price), -most- parents will only be buying one system for the kiddies for some time. Thus, it's important to be the one that they buy first, since it could be a year or more before they buy a second system, if at all.

[gzsfrk]

And let's not forget that Nintendo is coming this Christmas with 'teh cheapness'.

You know, I'm halfway concerned that the perceived cost of the Revolution might end up hurting Nintendo in the long run. I mean, everyone is expecting it to release at $199. So what happens if it's released at $249, or even (God forbid) $299? The perception in the marketplace would be very negative towards them, especially since their expected to be the value purchase. I know if the price was $249, and MS dropped the premium 360 down to $349 by this Christmas, I would probably go with the 360. Now, if they also drop the Core down to $249, and it's the same cost as a revolution? That might kill the cost perception advantage for Nintendo altogether.

Here's hoping for a $199 Revolution...

[Heretic Machine]

Also, with the prices of consoles being $400 this time around (assuming Sony matches suit with MS on price), -most- parents will only be buying one system for the kiddies for some time.

I wouldn't put money on that. Most kids were getting one 'big' gift every year when I was growing up, I can only assume things are getting 'bigger' as time has gone on. Let me list off a series of Christmases for you: SNES, Genesis, Sega CD, Virtual Boy, N64, PS1, PC, skip a couple of years, DC, XBOX, PC, GC/PS2 (one year, different times). I could of missed the order a bit, but that's about right up through High School, and my family is on the lower level of middle class.

[dimsumx]

somewhere in the offices of microsoft, bill gates is smiling.
j allard is so stoked he's probably polishing his head.

[Kelegacy]

What the fuck.

Looks like I'll be a 360 owner before a PS3 owner. Hell hath frozen over.

[Zanzibar]

You know, I'm halfway concerned that the perceived cost of the Revolution might end up hurting Nintendo in the long run. I mean, everyone is expecting it to release at $199. So what happens if it's released at $249, or even (God forbid) $299? The perception in the marketplace would be very negative towards them, especially since their expected to be the value purchase. I know if the price was $249, and MS dropped the premium 360 down to $349 by this Christmas, I would probably go with the 360. Now, if they also drop the Core down to $249, and it's the same cost as a revolution? That might kill the cost perception advantage for Nintendo altogether.

Here's hoping for a $199 Revolution...

Rev will not be more than $200. Trust me on this.

[Odyzen]

So what's going to be addressed (http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=15333) tomorrow at the Toyko conference that gamesindustry.biz is mentioning?

We're just going to hear the same news officially from Ken's mouth, aren't we? And after that how will all the other things about the PS3 playout? Maybe I'm just :( and :eek: strucken right now and don't see the point, but there will be something good to look forward to right?

[Magnanimous Gnome]

I dunno, guys, it would not surprise me if Microsoft drops the X360 price $50 this Christmas. They HAVE to capitalize on the PS3 delay, and generate goodwill towards gamers.


In my opinion they might as well not even bother with a $50 price drop. That wouldn't make a difference to me at all, and I can't see it making a difference for many other people either since the console is so expensive to begin with. You can't even buy (in most cases) a 360 game for $50, so the savings is negligable.

Between a $200 Revolution and a $350 360 this Christmas, my choice would be easy.

I'm not saying this to bash MS. Sure I'm something of a Nintendo fan, but honestly I really want to play Oblivion and it looks as if I'll have to have a 360 to do it. A price drop greater than $50 has to occur before I'll jump on board. I greatly regretted buying the Xbox for $300, so $50 more for it's follow up is out of the question. Even $300 would be a little steep. $250 and I'd probably be sold. It isn't going to get to that price anytime soon though. :(

[ezra]

There aren't many details out right now, but Sony says copy protection technology related to their Blu-ray disc drive is the cause of the delay.

It's as if someone who hates sony is writing their press releases. Copy protection COMBINED with blu-ray are causing the problems? Thats like the most asinine thing ever.

[RMan]

Now see... this is just as flagrant an example of pro-Sony rationalization as I've seen. If you honestly don't believe that Sony ceding two Christmases in a row in the US to Microsoft would be catastrophic for them, then you're simply delusional.
Hey, this time last year practically everyone assumed that Sony giving up one Christmas to MS would spell failure for Sony, and I was one of them. However, the system is still priced very high, and the PS2 still has some cool titles coming out for it, and consumer interest in the 360 does not seem nearly as high as anticipated. It's just not as simple as the hardcore gamer seems to think, there will need to be something special to get the common gamer to throw down $400 for the system then another $60 for whatever game pushed them over the line, and as good as the recent releases on the 360 seem to be, I don’t think they have the mass appeal to make it happen (and they likely won’t have that mass appeal without Halo level marketing, and that means it’ll need to be a MS title). Again, it only takes one game, but I’m not nearly as sure about MS’s ability to come through as I would have been last year.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

I wouldn't put money on that. Most kids were getting one 'big' gift every year when I was growing up, I can only assume things are getting 'bigger' as time has gone on. Let me list off a series of Christmases for you: SNES, Genesis, Sega CD, Virtual Boy, N64, PS1, PC, skip a couple of years, DC, XBOX, PC, GC/PS2 (one year, different times). I could of missed the order a bit, but that's about right up through High School, and my family is on the lower level of middle class.


Damn, my "big" gift every year was a couple of DVDs or a $30 game, if I was lucky. :(

[absolut taco]

2. I hope Sony loses BUCKETS of money over delaying a system over F*CKING COPY PROTECTION.
I thought Sony would relax a bit in the copy protection area after the fuck-up also known as Rootkit.

And Microsoft, please don't delay Halo 3 over this, OK?

[Major Dan]

What the fuck.

Looks like I'll be a 360 owner before a PS3 owner. Hell hath frozen over.


See! SEE! It has already started to happen.


I wonder how many others will feel the same?

[Zanzibar]

In my opinion they might as well not even bother with a $50 price drop. That wouldn't make a difference to me at all, and I can't see it making a difference for many other people either since the console is so expensive to begin with. You can't even buy (in most cases) a 360 game for $50, so the savings is negligable.


I agree totally. I used the term "I wouldn't be surprised if MS drops it $50" carefully - I would PREFER that MS drop it $100 this Christmas, but that would indeed be a surprise. I think it would be a spectacular move, and would start selling X360 systems like mad. Hell, I think the 20gb HDD will start being sold at $50 before too long. (Have I mentioned that it is CRIMINAL for MS to sell the HDD and wireless adapter for $99 each??)

[askheaves]

somewhere in the offices of microsoft, bill gates is smiling.
j allard is so stoked he's probably polishing his head.

Without a good definition of 'his', your statement can be taken several ways. I sincerely hope that was your intent.

[Watership]

Patience... it will spill over the channels in a few hours.

Microsoft stock went UP, UP, UP after this news.

I'm totally trashed by this :(, feeling so emo right now.

Have some hope Borys. PS3 will now launch with more units per store and more completed games.

[Zanzibar]

Without a good definition of 'his', your statement can be taken several ways. I sincerely hope that was your intent.
askheaves FTW!!!

[Heretic Machine]

Hey, this time last year practically everyone assumed that Sony giving up one Christmas to MS would spell failure for Sony, and I was one of them. However, the system is still priced very high, and the PS2 still has some cool titles coming out for it, and consumer interest in the 360 does not seem nearly as high as anticipated. It's just not as simple as the hardcore gamer seems to think, there will need to be something special to get the common gamer to throw down $400 for the system then another $60 for whatever game pushed them over the line, and as good as the recent releases on the 360 seem to be, I don’t think they have the mass appeal to make it happen (and they likely won’t have that mass appeal without Halo level marketing, and that means it’ll need to be a MS title). Again, it only takes one game, but I’m not nearly as sure about MS’s ability to come through as I would have been last year.

But if they are so reluctent to buy the 360 at $400, what is going to make them buy the PS3? Sony's shining history of great launches? :rolleyes:

Brand loyalty will carry some to resist the 360, but I'm betting on people buying multiple consoles. I'd say two will be the average.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

I agree totally. I used the term "I wouldn't be surprised if MS drops it $50" carefully - I would PREFER that MS drop it $100 this Christmas, but that would indeed be a surprise. I think it would be a spectacular move, and would start selling X360 systems like mad. Hell, I think the 20gb HDD will start being sold at $50 before too long. (Have I mentioned that it is CRIMINAL for MS to sell the HDD and wireless adapter for $99 each??)


I totally agree with all of the above. Price drops are needed on pretty much everything (the console, the periphals, even the games.)

[jeffool]

And Microsoft, please don't delay Halo 3 over this, OK?Y'know, dropping the price fifty bucks and releasing Halo 3? That'd probably move a lot of systems...

[Mason]

Agreed - the GPU design is finalized.

HOWEVER - get this guys - the extra time will mean that the devs will be working on FINALIZED HARDWARE for a longer period of time, thus potentially mitigating the "launch titles look like ass" effect. Remember, it's the Blu-Ray drive that's holding everything up, not the Cell or GPU, which means the devs basically will have their finalized game pipeline any day now. Most games won't use Blu-Ray discs anyways. ALSO, the extra time will bring construction costs down. They may now be able to launch at $400.

Correct on the GPU.

But dead wrong on the games.

Extra time spent in development isn't free. If Sony's delay "lets" developers sit on games for 6 months, they're giving them nothing. The developer isn't making any money, as they can't sell the game before the console, and if they continue development they're sinking more cash into a game which, when it launches, will be one in an ever-growing number of options, thus reducing the slice of the consumer mindshare and marketshare.

It is ridiculous to try and give this a positive spin. Unless the developers were warned well in advance of this delay (like last year), Sony is giving them the option of a) begging their publisher for another wad of money to continue development, or b) go gold and leave it to collect dust on the shelf, delaying any return on their investment.

The one scenario where this isn't a negative is if PS3 development was going so poorly that few games would've made a spring-summer launch in the first place. But that's not much of a silver lining.

[Borys]

What the fuck.

Looks like I'll be a 360 owner before a PS3 owner. Hell hath frozen over.

Hear, hear.

I hate being the bearer of grim news.

[Heretic Machine]

The one scenario where this isn't a negative is if PS3 development was going so poorly that few games would've made a spring-summer launch in the first place. But that's not much of a silver lining.

Which, btw, is my theory on what caused this delay. Does anyone recall hearing about the cool launch titles the PS3 was coming out with? Because I don't. I already know Revolution titles, I knew the 360 titles about three months in advance (if not more)... I don't know dick about what was coming out with the PS3 other than Killzone 2.

[Ajguy]

Can't say I'm terribly surprised. What does surprise me is that they are blaming the delay on copy protection. That may be a factor, but I would also have thought that nothing playable and no final hardware 2 months before the supposed launch might have had something to do with it. Anyone who wants to wait til 2007 may certainly do so. Right now, I'm too busy enjoying GRAW and Burnout and drooling over my pre-order of Oblivion that I'll be picking up next week.

In regards to tomorrow's press conference, I can't wait to hear how Ken will try to make this sound like a good thing:
"It is my belief that everyone will want a PS3. Since you will have to work for it, we have decided that it will be important for the consumer to have more time to acquire the needed funds. Therefore, in interest of the consumer, we have graciously given them extra time to work for our system. In the end, out value chain will be stronger than ever!"

And Nite_Moogle, I love your point that Nintendo can get a concept fleshed out and released faster than Sony when they were supposedly so far behind. Honestly, if I have a 360 and a Rev, I'm not seeing much reason to get a PS3 anyway. MGS4 isn't going to do it for me (that series has lost its charm for me) and I don't care if Killzone does end up looking even close to that video, the first Killzone wasn't a very good game IMO and I don't see how seeing soldier's hair will improve the gameplay.

[dimsumx]

Without a good definition of 'his', your statement can be taken several ways. I sincerely hope that was your intent.

bow chika bow wow

;)

[Watership]

Because that worked so well...

I agree, worldwide lauches for consoles are bad news. Unless you're a crazy fan in Europe who gets screwed every Hardware generation and lined up to get your Xbox around the same time as the US and Japan.

The smallest production delay = disaster. MS took a risk at worldwide. I don't know if that's going to work unless Sony has huge ps3 stock.

edit: 4 spelling mistakes FTW!

[Heretic Machine]

In regards to tomorrow's press conference, I can't wait to hear how Ken will try to make this sound like a good thing:
"It is my belief that everyone will want a PS3. Since you will have to work for it, we have decided that it will be important for the consumer to have more time to acquire the needed funds. Therefore, in interest of the consumer, we have graciously given them extra time to work for our system. In the end, out value chain will be stronger than ever!"

Naa man, you got it all wrong. See, the PS3 is a time machine... and although it will come out in 2007, we could easily buy one then and send it to ourselves now. But 2007 is just so cool because of Sony, no one wants to leave! Or something like that...

[RMan]

But if they are so reluctent to buy the 360 at $400, what is going to make them buy the PS3? Sony's shining history of great launches? :rolleyes:
Hehe, now that's a good question, and I honestly don't know. It is a huge variable, they likely are thinking fondly on the PS2 days when they could hold onto a price higher than the Xbox’s for some time, but in that race they released earlier and had some hot titles when the Xbox released. Here, the situation is reversed, and unless they have some really great stuff in development then they’ll be facing a system with a larger, stronger library of games (however, GRAW and Oblivion couldn’t stand against a GTA or Final Fantasy level title). Regardless, my original point was that this was a delay in the release of the system, not in the development of games for it, it’s not like they’re not working on the thing. At a $400 price point this isn’t going to cost them many single console buyers, so won’t result in much lost revenue. They will be allowing MS to take more market share than they’d like, which is bad of course, but it’s still not the death blow some seem to think.

[Mason]

Which, btw, is my theory on what caused this delay. Does anyone recall hearing about the cool launch titles the PS3 was coming out with? Because I don't. I already know Revolution titles, I knew the 360 titles about three months in advance (if not more)... I don't know dick about what was coming out with the PS3 other than Killzone 2.
I accept that as an entirely plausible piece of speculation. But if "Don't worry about the launch delay, not a single game was going to be finished before November anyways" becomes the official line, then I'd hardly call that a saving grace for Sony.

[Watership]

What the fuck.

Looks like I'll be a 360 owner before a PS3 owner. Hell hath frozen over.

I had to read that twice.

[Achilles]

One good point for Sony, if they do wait until 2007 to realease the thing, they could make it much more powerful than the 360. Well, in the graphics department anyways.Not really, their components are already taped out. They would have to reengineer their board, their proc, etc. The most they could do is up the RAM to a gig without risking more delays.

The delay would be good for Sony, they’re simply not ready, and who ships a console in Spring anyway? However if the US does get a 2007 release, they're finished, the 360 will have too big a lead by then for them to come in anything but 2nd unless MS really screws up.

[Zanzibar]

The delay would be good for Sony, they’re simply not ready, and who ships a console in Spring anyway?
Apparently Sony does. Spring 2007 in the US.

Then again, so does Microsoft. Spring 2006 before X360s are plentiful enough to be on the shelves regularly.

[Phanto]

Well people remember that Sony said if i'm correct that PS2 would have a 10 years life cycle, so anything is possible, I really not moved anymore for PS3 atleast for now until they show some real crap. (Most likely on E3 they WILL have to show something)

This soud interesting atleast for me:
Until now who have show more info on their next gen console Sony, or Nintendo ?? :rolleyes:

[Kamalot]

The delay would be good for Sony, they’re simply not ready, and who ships a console in Spring anyway? However if the US does get a 2007 release, they're finished, the 360 will have too big a lead by then for them to come in anything but 2nd unless MS really screws up.

Well, the PSP launched in Spring. That was a stellar launch, no?

[Mason]

The delay would be good for Sony, they’re simply not ready
How is not being ready good?

[Kelegacy]

Hear, hear.

I hate being the bearer of grim news.

I want your head on a silver fucking platter. And that Sony Club card...I want you stripped of it.

Listen, I would jump on the MS bandwagon and ride it into the sunset if the gaming genres appealed to me more. Not just JRPGs, but RPGs do sell systems to me. Microsoft had a wonderful system with the Xbox, and when given the opportunity to play multiplatform games I always pick the 'Box. And I love the S-Controller, and enjoy the 360's as well. Still, despite all of the quality games on the box, I only find myself playing multiplatform games. Halo was fun even though I like to rag on it. Jade Empire was okay, but I berate it too. There are Japanese companies supporting the Xbox, but nowhere near to the same effect as the PS2. Games like ICO or Shadow of the Colossus appeal to me to no end, and the Xbox had nothing that even came close to that quality, inspiration, or heart.

And yeah, the 360 is getting some JRPGs. But I can't help but feel these are JRPGs-for-hire, born out of necessity and bags of cash tossed at a Japanese legend.

MS, to get me to move to the dark side, do this: Get more Japanese games, more inspired titles that resemble works of art (not action movies) and turn this into a multinational, multigenre machine instead of the massive Western device it has been for the past 4 years. Look at the PS2 library--Japanese shit, weird titles, small titles, they all sell very well. Make the games available. People will buy them.

But yeah, more RPGs wouldn't hurt. A LOT of them. Western, Japanese, European...what the fuck ever.

[Mason]

Kelegacy: Western civilization isn't so bad. Give it a chance sometime.

Maybe a little reflection on how depressingly cliche the JRPG genre has become would reorient your feelings re: 360 lineup.

[gzsfrk]

There are Japanese companies supporting the Xbox, but nowhere near to the same effect as the PS2. Games like ICO or Shadow of the Colossus appeal to me to no end, and the Xbox had nothing that even came close to that quality, inspiration, or heart.

Panzer Dragoon Orta? Arguably just a rail shooter, but probably the finest rail shooter ever made. But yeah.... Xbox didn't get nearly enough of the quirky/outside-the-box titles that I like. They were kind of like the WoW of this console generation--the X did nothing particularly new or innovative (except for setting the online standard with the phenomenal XBox Live), but everything they did was largely done very well and with lots of polish.

And also... with what the 360 is doing with Live Marketplace, we should see a much larger presence of unique, avant garde games continuing into the future.

And yeah, the 360 is getting some JRPGs. But I can't help but feel these are JRPGs-for-hire, born out of necessity and bags of cash tossed at a Japanese legend.

Well, I mean come on.... you can't honestly say that 500th iteration of a JRPG where you play "a young boy who comes to the realization of the power within himself in order to save the world from a great evil power" has much of a soul either. I mean, a lot of people enjoy reiterating that same basic storyline over and over and over, and that's fine; but it's hardly valid to use that as the anti-thesis to a game made as a cash-grab.

Look at the PS2 library--Japanese shit, weird titles, small titles, they all sell very well. Make the games available. People will buy them.

Again... isn't this exactly what they're doing with Live Arcade?

[Achilles]

Apparently Sony does. Spring 2007 in the US.

Then again, so does Microsoft. Spring 2006 before X360s are plentiful enough to be on the shelves regularly.Oh I was under the impression that this was still somewhat of a rumor. If it’s a fact than I’d say it’s strange to launch a console in Spring. MS will have managed to get ~4 million consoles out there before they're readily available. It was important for them to be there for Christmas, even if most people couldn't get one.Well, the PSP launched in Spring. That was a stellar launch, no?Consoles are a bit different than handhelds, usually you want the Christmas rush to help sell the machine, probably because they’re more expensive. At least launch it in Summer when kids go on summer vacation. How is not being ready good?Not being ready is terrible. Delaying when you’re not ready instead of hacking off features and pushing it out the door with nothing more than a copy of Fantavision 2 in terms of launch titles is good in my opinion. If the delay was putting them past another Christmas, which is sounds like it is, than that's not good though.

[Zanzibar]

Oh I was under the impression that this was still somewhat of a rumor.
Sorry, you're right, I forgot my sarcasm smiley. Nothing is confirmed yet for the US launch. Hell, even the story this thread is about hasn't been confirmed by Sony officially yet. We'll find out tomorrow.

[EternalGamer]

Kelegacy: Western civilization isn't so bad. Give it a chance sometime.

Maybe a little reflection on how depressingly cliche the JRPG genre has become would reorient your feelings re: 360 lineup.


I'm not as extreme in my preferences as Kelegacy, but I have to admit I understand where he is coming from. It isn't so much about a loathing for Western culture, it is more about subjective tastes in gaming. For example, I have zero interesting in "war games" and everytime I try to convince myself to give the genre another chance (Call of Duty 2), I walk away only having my lack of interest confirmed. As a matter of fact, gun play of anytime is about the last gameplay type of interest to me just above racing and sports games. And guess what? Those are the three genres that seem to proliferate on MS's gaming platforms thus far.

This is not a matter of cliche plotpoints as much as it is cliched aesthetics. I like my games with the creative looks of fantasy worlds. And by "creative fantasy" worlds I do not mean generic "medieval" D&D ones (which is the only type most western RPGs seem to understand). My definition of "fantasy" here is pretty broad, but it means original character, creature, and environment designs that have little resemblances to real world life on earth, past, present, or future. The aesthetics of platformers, adventure games, and RPGs are the look and feel of the type of games I enjoy most, primarily because each has this quality: each has its own unique look and feel in terms of design. Sure they might all have "trolls" or "dragons" or creature of various anthropomorphic design, but the way each of these types look varies drastically from game to game.

Again, this is not necessarily a Eastern vs. Western thing (although much of the time, it is) as some of the best platformers are developed by US and European developers... but almost all of them develop for Sony (namely Naughty Dog, Insomniac, & Sucker Punch). The rest are developed by Nintendo, or at the least multiplatform.

Perhaps things will change if/when the 360 becomes the dominant console in the West this go around, but after several failed attempts at creating viable mascots, MS doesn't seem all that interested in pursuing this type of product anymore (hence their dumping of Stranger, Psychonaughts and Tork). I am pretty convinced they are content to leave that market up to Nintendo and Sony to fill, which is too bad, because I will always prefer even an average to good platformer, adventure or RPG game to even the best First Person Shooter or Sci-Fi Action game.

Dan

[Dracula-X]

I wish Kamalot (King of All Kunts), would stop spamming with links to his useless dumb blog. Seriously, it's getting embarrassing now.

Back on topic, sucks for $ony I say, but they're still going to sell 20-25 mill PS3's in Japan, easy. How long before *** reaches that point there? The outlook is bleak on that alone. So, to take the crown this gen, *** needs to sell 10-20 million (roughly) more than $ony in the NA/EU territories. I don't think $ony is in dire straights, and on the other hand *** needs to be smart to capitalize on a second holiday. I expect Ninty will fare nicely regardless.

Anyways, I have a little more time with me 360.

[Hellstorm]

but after several failed attempts at creating viable mascots, MS doesn't seem all that interested in pursuing this type of product anymore (hence their dumping of Stranger, Psychonaughts and Tork). I am pretty convinced they are content to leave that market up to Nintendo and Sony to fill, which is too bad, because I will always prefer even an average to good platformer, adventure or RPG game to even the best First Person Shooter or Sci-Fi Action game.

Dan

What? Why do you think MS wasted...er I mean "spent" half a billion on Rare? It wasn't for Perfect Dark I can tell you that much.

[Dag-Sabot]

News story: Evil Avatar think-tank predicts a rocky future for SONY in light of recent developments revealing the PS3 to be nothing more than an electric popcorn machine. Legions of PS3 fanboys spontaneously combust into flames as news of delay filters around the globe....Now for the weather..

edit: But seriously, i suspected something like this would happen when i bought a 360 last week.
Right off a store shelf in Canada.

[EternalGamer]

Are you sure about that? Perfect Dark seemed to be a pretty big product for them (or at least they attempted to make it so. Meanwhile Kameo didn't get nearly as much attention drawn to it. I hope your right. I would love nothing more than to see a new Banjo Kazooie this Fall, but I remain skeptical. Nevertheless, even if it did happen that would be a very small consolation in comparison to what is being/will be offered elsewhere.

Dan

[Draft]

Pretty swell day to be a MS fan :)

[Kamalot]

I wish Kamalot (King of All Kunts), would stop spamming with links to his useless dumb blog.Aww How sweet! :D

I could put the entire article here in this thread if you like, or reference it and let those who are interested click through, as I have done. The blog entries are on-topic, not links to online casinos or money-making scams. Clicking isn't mandatory. :eek:

More than a few people agree with me in this and other threads. Even you and I agree on things. We enjoy time with our 360's. I don't insult you, and try not to insult anyone for that matter.

If the most harm I have done is link to on-topic articles in a thread of like-minded gamers, then I am guilty. Sorry to have offended you.

[Heretic Machine]

The XBOX has a mascot, he wears big green armor and carries around a sexy hologram.

[EternalGamer]

And that "mascot's" games are definitely the ones I find most enjoyable on MS's platform, despite the fact that they are FPS. And it is mainly because that game universe has tons of personality and creativity built into it. I love all the characters in the Halo universe, their voices, mannerisms, and their looks. Halo certainly gets credit for it's tight gameplay, but the thing that appeals most to me about it is that it doesn't look nearly as generic as 90% of the other stuff put out by Western developers.

Dan

[Heretic Machine]

And that "mascot's" games are definitely the ones I find most enjoyable on MS's platform and it is specifically because that game universe has tons of personality and creativity built into its aesthetics. I love all the characters in the Halo universe, their voices, mannerisms, and their looks. Halo certainly gets credit for it's tight gameplay, but the thing that appeals most to me about it is that it doesn't feel nearly as generic as 90% of the other stuff put out by Western developers.

Dan

I'm with you on that... The Universe feels both fantastic and believable at the same time. The books are a good read as well.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

Hmm, so I wonder how Zeal feels about all of this?

EternalGamer made some good points. The 360's library does mostly consist of racing, sports, and FPS games - three genres that don't interest me much at all. In fact, outside of Kameo and the upcoming Oblivion, there really isn't much else. His point about many western games being generic is something I agree with as well. I do have a soft spot for certain western titles though, such as Gothic and Age of Wonders.

[Heretic Machine]

Hmm, so I wonder how Zeal feels about all of this?

EternalGamer made some good points. The 360's library does mostly consist of racing, sports, and FPS games - three genres that don't interest me much at all. In fact, outside of Kameo and the upcoming Oblivion, there really isn't much else. His point about many western games being generic is something I agree with as well. I do have a soft spot for certain western titles though, such as Gothic and Age of Wonders.

The problem is that MOST Japanese games are just as generic. Yes, there are some shining examples of originality that come out of Japan, but they are as few and far between as they are in the West. Let's face it, most game developers aren't that creative, and want to make games based on a formula proven to produce money. Hence 99% of what makes up the JRPG genre.

Generic anime world design, is just as bad as generic 'western' medieval world design.

[Achilles]

Sorry, you're right, I forgot my sarcasm smiley. Nothing is confirmed yet for the US launch. Hell, even the story this thread is about hasn't been confirmed by Sony officially yet. We'll find out tomorrow.Oh okay! I skipped ahead by about 80 posts in the thread so I wasn't sure if I'd missed the news that confirmed this. Yeah I expect Sony to at least try to do a multi-region launch at the end of this year. We might get it later, but it'll only be about 2 weeks later.

[Kamalot]

The problem is that MOST Japanese games are just as generic. Yes, there are some shining examples of originality that come out of Japan, but they are as few and far between as they are in the West. Let's face it, most game developers aren't that creative, and want to make games based on a formula proven to produce money. Hence 99% of what makes up the JRPG genre.

Generic anime world design, is just as bad as generic 'western' medieval world design.

I can't agree with this more. Just remember, for a western audience, a 'generic' Japanese RPG is considered different, cause it is different from a western rpg.


Hmm. Speaking of which, why aren't there more 'western' RPGs? You know, level yp your horse riding skill and rifle accuracy. That would rock!

[Heretic Machine]

Hmm. Speaking of which, why aren't there more 'western' RPGs? You know, level yp your horse riding skill and rifle accuracy. That would rock!

The genre got oversaturated (much like the JRPG market today) and collapsed. Now we only get a few real traditional RPG's.

[Last of the Red Hot Mamas]

I'm sure some of this has been covered but I can't be bothered to read through fifteen pages. So...

1) The copy protection excuse is just that -- an excuse. There was a delay of a about a month in finalizing the AACS spec (apparently at the instigation of Warner Bros.), but I can't imagine that would be responsible for a PS3 delay -- it would have zero impact on game development and the hardware changes involved would be minimal (just some firmware modifications). The first BD-Video players and BD-ROM drives are still slated to launch in late May, so I fail to see how a minor hiccup with the copy protection could push the PS3 back by 6+ months but have no effect on other Blu-ray products.

2) I don't see Sony trying a worldwide launch. Europe will certainly have to wait until 2007, although they probably would've anyway. But I think Sony should try a simultaneous North America/Japan launch, even if it means extremely limited supplies. If they can only manufacture 100,000 PS3s by the end of the year (which I suspect is a lowball figure, but this is just hypothetical anyway), they should ship 50,000 to Japan and 50,000 to NA. Retailers and consumers will be pissed and third-party support will be nonexistent (third parties aren't going to stick their neck out for a system with so few units in the field), but simply having the thing out there will result in loads of media coverage and draw attention away from MS and Nintendo. They'll still outsell Sony but parents who would've otherwise bought a 360 or Revolution for the kiddies might be more willing to give them an IOU for a PS3 if the system actually exists.

[Draft]

The genre got oversaturated (much like the JRPG market today) and collapsed. Now we only get a few real traditional RPG's.haha, learn2read.

[Heretic Machine]

haha, learn2read.

Not sure what that is supposed to mean.

[Kamalot]

The genre got oversaturated (much like the JRPG market today) and collapsed. Now we only get a few real traditional RPG's.
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I meant, why we don't have 'western' RPGs as in, RPGs that take place in the old west. Outlaws, bandits, indians, saloons, stagecoaches, etc.

[Heretic Machine]

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I meant, why we don't have 'western' RPGs as in, RPGs that take place in the old west. Outlaws, bandits, indians, saloons, stagecoaches, etc.

Ahh... er, it's an under-represented setting. There is always Wild Arms, which is fun at times.

[Draft]

Not sure what that is supposed to mean.learn2understand.

[Zanzibar]

Please, God, let somebody at the announcement tomorrow ask point-blank about the US release date.

[Heretic Machine]

learn2understand.

learn2elaborate

[aversion2k]

One good point for Sony, if they do wait until 2007 to realease the thing, they could make it much more powerful than the 360. Well, in the graphics department anyways.

I was under the impression it already was a much more powerful system

[Zanzibar]

I was under the impression it already was a much more powerful system
So was Sony! But they were wrong about the release date too. /rimshot

[Paranoia]

Not only Sony has to worry about X360, but Nintendo Revolution too.

[Zanzibar]

Not only Sony has to worry about X360, but Nintendo Revolution too.
Agreed. The Revolution may very well clean up this Christmas.

[Paranoia]

Also, further proof that Killzone 2 ain't real time. har har!

[Achilles]

Reading further in the thread, it’s been suggested that maybe the delay is being caused by the fact that no games are ready. I’d offer that if this is the case than it’s because Sony has been so slow in getting them dev kits (any, let alone ones that represent final hardware). When you look at a game like Fight Night, developed for 360 and PS3 by EA, and already shipped for the 360, you know that they could have gotten that title done already for the PS3. So either it is done and they’re sitting on it waiting for the PS3 to ship (in which case the PS3 would have games if it launched right now), or it can’t get done because their support from Sony is inadequate (more likely, and if this is the case, no game can be finished at this point).

So why the delay? Because Sony doesn’t have final hardware yet, no final dev-kits and no prototypes of actual PS3 machines. If the developers haven’t received a single final kit, containing a full-speed Cell processor, and a Blu Ray drive, than there’s no way they can finish their games, and there’s no way Sony can crank out 500k-1+ mil of them for retail. They should be looking a lot better for this by Christmas.

[WileE.Coyte]

If Microsoft comes out swinging this holiday Sony might have a tough mountain to climb. On the other hand it would be nice if they were able to shove another half gig of ram in there. What are PC's maxing out at now, 3 gigs?

[Yeti2005]

Ok if I'm Sony and I'm going to drop this bomb (launch delayed until Nov) on everyone then I'd be damn sure to show people something insane tomorrow at the press conference. They're going to want to wow the customers and have them thinking "I can wait till Nov for the PS3". I'd trot out MGS4, Killzone 2, the next GTA, etc. I'd also announce Playstation Live, downloadable movies, music, and games (it doesn't matter if those services will be available at launch or not as long as people get excited about them).

All I'm saying is expect some CRAZY stuff to come out tomorrow to help combat the bad news (delayed launch).

[Heretic Machine]

If Microsoft comes out swinging this holiday Sony might have a tough mountain to climb. On the other hand it would be nice if they were able to shove another half gig of ram in there. What are PC's maxing out at now, 3 gigs?

Four gigs. It's gonna be bumped WAY WAY WAY up by Vista.

[DoubleUranium]

I was under the impression it already was a much more powerful system

It will be barely more powerful if more powerful at all. The Cell is entirely overrated - the 7 SPEs are a huge pain in the ass to manage and only have a tiny 256k of memory that you have to manually manage by transferring data in and out from main memory. The general processor is about on par with the PS2 processor given the lack of OOE. Don't believe the hype.

[Bumbuliuz]

Big suprise! Sony didnt deliver their spring launch ;) Go Bill Gates!

[Zanzibar]

Ok if I'm Sony and I'm going to drop this bomb (launch delayed until Nov) on everyone then I'd be damn sure to show people something insane tomorrow at the press conference. They're going to want to wow the customers and have them thinking "I can wait till Nov for the PS3". I'd trot out MGS4, Killzone 2, the next GTA, etc. I'd also announce Playstation Live, downloadable movies, music, and games (it doesn't matter if those services will be available at launch or not as long as people get excited about them).

All I'm saying is expect some CRAZY stuff to come out tomorrow to help combat the bad news (delayed launch).

Oooh, that's a good point. I'd really like to see what Sony has on-hand to combat this.

[Grimmjow]

Oooh, that's a good point. I'd really like to see what Sony has on-hand to combat this.

i agree, all i can do is phathom what they might do, hopefully its sumthing good...cuz things are looking VERY GRIM

[agentgray]

Guess this means no Halo 3 for a while.

;)

[Magnanimous Gnome]

The problem is that MOST Japanese games are just as generic. Yes, there are some shining examples of originality that come out of Japan, but they are as few and far between as they are in the West. Let's face it, most game developers aren't that creative, and want to make games based on a formula proven to produce money. Hence 99% of what makes up the JRPG genre.

Generic anime world design, is just as bad as generic 'western' medieval world design.

That's very true. Most games, regardless of development locale, are generic.

[UnderHero5]

Meh... I thought the release date was November for some reason already...
when was it supposed to be released?

I won't be buying one (or a 360) until a significant price drop anyway.
I'm in no hurry to pay 60 bucks a game.

[Kamalot]

Ok if I'm Sony and I'm going to drop this bomb (launch delayed until Nov) on everyone then I'd be damn sure to show people something insane tomorrow at the press conference. They're going to want to wow the customers and have them thinking "I can wait till Nov for the PS3". I'd trot out MGS4, Killzone 2, the next GTA, etc. I'd also announce Playstation Live, downloadable movies, music, and games (it doesn't matter if those services will be available at launch or not as long as people get excited about them).

All I'm saying is expect some CRAZY stuff to come out tomorrow to help combat the bad news (delayed launch).

You are right. Sony better come out with some CRAZY-COOL stuff tomorrow.

Untold Legends ain't gonna cut it.

http://www.photodump.com/direct/sonyPS3/Terrible_Pathetic_PS3_Graphics_3.jpg

http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showpost.php?p=220675&postcount=60

These screen shots look like poop...like, from a butt.

[Kelegacy]

Kelegacy: Western civilization isn't so bad. Give it a chance sometime.

Maybe a little reflection on how depressingly cliche the JRPG genre has become would reorient your feelings re: 360 lineup.
I hope you don't think I'm anti-Western. Because I'm not. I'd rather play a Western RPG any day over one from Japan, at least in the random encounter, save the world, asinine character type game. It's just that these days all that are released are JRPG type of games--I have little choice. CRPGs have turned into Diablo-fests and many developers have or will move onto the consoles, like Bioware, and sort of water down the formerly deep western RPG genre. I would love for a day when games like Gothic and Baldur's Gate will show up on consoles. CRPGs reinvented and the C standing for Console, not just computer.

JRPG genre may be derivative, but so are many FPSs and other genres. Still, I like them enough to keep playing. Sort of like Adam Sandler movies. People still go see the films even though you know he'll get the girl in the end and save the day, with stupid laughs throughout.

[GunnyMo]

So very funny! Now if MS can fix their production issues they will be very far ahead of PS3 by the time it launches, fanbase or no.

[Busted_Astromech]

It's stretching back in the forum a ways, but about Rare: when Microsoft acquired them their most anticipated project was Perfect Dark 0. That was what everyone was talking about, not Banjo-Threeie. Of course, once the world saw Perfect Dark 0, it....was less anticipated.

Banjo-Threeie is probably something they're working on. For Microsoft it was a two-for-one deal: character-based games, which they lack, and the developer of the last generation's most popular shooter. Neither have panned out, as is somewhat obvious. Kameo may be ok, but even if you put it under Rare's 'quirky' file it still falls short of their other minor games from the N64 era like Blast Corps and Jet Force Gemini (oh how I loved Jet Force Gemini...such excellent level art and some of the best music ever).

For whatever reason, the Western RPG market which was revitalized by BioWare and the Infinity Engine has essentially died. I'd really like to know why--I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of it happened because publishers figured they could move their money from RPGs to MMORPGs, but I have no evidence to back that up, other than the large amount of MMORPGs that get released. But, at least we get Oblivion in a week, which should count for a year's worth of RPG goodness.

So...where were we?

[dimsumx]

Guess this means no Halo 3 for a while.

;)


would it be a stretch to speculate a worldwide low number launch in november? that way sony would kinda create a bunch of preorders that they can't fill, but hold the consumer money from going towards microsoft and nintendo.

i hope that happens....so microsoft can still make some sort of halo 3 announcement this year (assuming that's gonna be their ps3/revolution counter strategy). :P

[aversion2k]

The problem is that MOST Japanese games are just as generic. Yes, there are some shining examples of originality that come out of Japan, but they are as few and far between as they are in the West. Let's face it, most game developers aren't that creative, and want to make games based on a formula proven to produce money. Hence 99% of what makes up the JRPG genre.

Generic anime world design, is just as bad as generic 'western' medieval world design.

Most game developers ARE creative but arent able to create what they want because publishers wont fund it, and so they have to to work on generic crap that sells well to make a living.

Of course there are shit developers aswell.

[Hemalin]

As other people have said, I'm more interested in what Microsoft is going to do here.

[KhitomerRouge]

Worldwide PS3 release in November, 100% backwards compatability, upscales PS1 & PS2 games, HDMI 1.3, fully Blu-Ray capable

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/15/ps3-press-conference-it-begins/

[Chimpster]

Im sure this is spreading like wildfire but PS3 will launch in time for the holidays in 2006.

I'll let the big boys spill all the details on this as well as the new goods for PSP (PSOne emulation!!!) Crazy!

[Borys]

HOLY FUCK

Lifetime permaban for me.

Do it, Evil, please.

Since this is pretty much my last post here:

Zanzibar, who was salivating with stupid anti-Sony joy, Vandenh and countless other Xbox fools got owned pretty hard.

Kamalot - just shut the fuck up already and stick that DS up your ass.

Kelegacy - up yours fella! We triumphed after all.

Forgive me Kutaragi-san that I doubted you.

Rot in hell, Gates. And take the Xbox division with you.

Bye, guys.

[Paranoia]

Its official, the PS3 is dead.

[dimsumx]

would it be a stretch to speculate a worldwide low number launch in november? that way sony would kinda create a bunch of preorders that they can't fill, but hold the consumer money from going towards microsoft and nintendo.

i hope that happens....so microsoft can still make some sort of halo 3 announcement this year (assuming that's gonna be their ps3/revolution counter strategy). :P

...i was half joking...honest!

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2491&Itemid=2

"At a meeting in Tokyo today, Sony confirmed a worldwide launch for PlayStation 3 in the first half of November. But shortages are already looking likely."

[bboy]

HOLY FUCK

Lifetime permaban for me.

Do it, Evil, please.

<snip>


Wow, that was quick. Always best not to leave your cheese out in the wind.
Life lesson: Don't go making grandiose statements swinging your scrotum around for all to see only to have the door slammed on your marbles. :eek:

[Paranoia]

Wow, that was quick. Always best not to leave your cheese out in the wind.
Life lesson: Don't go making grandiose statements swinging your scrotum around for all to see only to have the door slammed on your marbles. :eek:

:D :D :D

[Hemalin]

"download classic PlayStation titles and play them on your PSP."

Hmmm...that sounds familiar...

[dimsumx]

it looks like it's gonna be 1 million units total between Japan, Asia, Canada, US, and Europe.

good luck getting one.

[KhitomerRouge]

The official line (via IGN):
IGN confirms PS3 worldwide launch in November for "the North American, Asian, and European territories." In addition, Sony will release "one million units per month [after launch; sorry for any confusion this may have caused] with a total of six million units in 2006 alone. Production numbers are higher for PS1 and PS2 in their initial years."

[Abash Alarmist]

Time to go preorder 5 PS3s at my local EBGames for awesome profits on eBay. Muha.

[Nintendo Revolution]

Victory Bloodeagle!

[Paranoia]

ah yes, ebay profits. Lesson learned from X360!

[Achilles]

HOLY FUCK

Lifetime permaban for me.

Do it, Evil, please.You might want to wait until an official transcript of the speech comes in, or they actually do what they say they're going to do or something. Plus isn't it delayed? You weren't exactly wrong. They won't even have final dev kits until June.

[Morratut]

Hey guys what do you reckon to this below...

Sony delays PlayStation 3

Global roll-out in November

Source: http://go.theregister.com/feed/http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/03/15/sony_delays_ps3/

[Morratut]

What the fuck.

Looks like I'll be a 360 owner before a PS3 owner. Hell hath frozen over.

/Morratut dies

I never thought that would happen :D

[Achilles]

This will all be covered tomorrow, but for the other insomniacs out there, there were apparently indications a hard drive will be mandatory, with Kuturagi saying developers have been told to assume an HDD is present. Geez, how much of a bath is Sony going to take on this hardware?I noticed that too. They also said the HDD would be a peripheral (which is a strange term for something that comes with the system), would be a minimum of 60 gigs, and would come pre-installed with a Linux based OS. This thing's going to cost them a fortune to manufacture unless there's a mis-representation going on (either by Sony, not unusual, or by the people putting out this early information).

[Sl1pstream]

DRM =/

Still, 60GB HD space is nice. Now all we need is a worldwide launch for the revolution, october please.

Pricing could be worse. I might ebay this, although 1 million units/month could mean that it might be worth less.

[bjornbarspingvinen]

Did anyone really think the ps3 would come out in march?
It´s just the old sony PR machine wanting potential next-gen buyers to hold their breath for ps3.

[bboy]

I don't know why any of you would be willing to give that soul sucking company one cent out of your pockets. Sure they may have fun games but these are the f*ckers that were more than happy to hide rootkits in music CD's for your PC's.

I don't care how fun and cool the PS3 games are, I will not be rewarding their behaviour.

Rootkits + Sony's draconian DRM = no sale here.

http://www.deedz.net/img/itempic/gamesphere.jpg

[Kelegacy]

I don't know why any of you would be willing to give that soul sucking company one cent out of your pockets. Sure they may have fun games but these are the f*ckers that were more than happy to hide rootkits in music CD's for your PC's.

I don't care how fun and cool the PS3 games are, I will not be rewarding their behaviour.

Rootkits + Sony's draconian DRM = no sale here.

http://www.deedz.net/img/itempic/gamesphere.jpg
Did the rootkit effect you terribly? Most people that complain have never even encountered it.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

I noticed that too. They also said the HDD would be a peripheral (which is a strange term for something that comes with the system), would be a minimum of 60 gigs, and would come pre-installed with a Linux based OS. This thing's going to cost them a fortune to manufacture unless there's a mis-representation going on (either by Sony, not unusual, or by the people putting out this early information).


Why is it that I couldn't see LOTRHM's post that you quoted? I've encountered this before as well - someone will quote a post that doesn't show up on my screen. I can see the quote, but the original post is nowhere to be found. I don't have anyone on my ignore list. Are people deleting their posts or something?

[HardScores]

Where does it say a 2007 US launch?

Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI) announced today that it would launch PlayStation 3 (PS3) in early November 2006 in Japan, North America and Europe simultaneously.

Official Press Release (http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2006/03/15/playstation_3_release_date_set_for_novem)

[Kamalot]

it looks like it's gonna be 1 million units total between Japan, Asia, Canada, US, and Europe.

good luck getting one.
That's not a worldwiide launch, that's a tease.

[Dracula-X]

That's not a worldwiide launch, that's a tease.
And *** did better?

[Kamalot]

And *** did better?
Beacuse the sky is blue does not mean the sea isn't blue as well.

No, Microsoft didn't do any better. It is still a tease though.

Anyone think how the shortage will help Microsoft and Nintendo?
Mom goes into the store to pick up PS3 for Christmas. She has to have SOMETHING to give junior. PS3 is sold out. Revolution kiosks let people try the new controller, it is cheap. 360s are stacked to the roof. Money will be spent, and Sony won't be there to capture it.

This didn't hurt Microsoft, since there was nowhere else to go last Christmas. If you couldn't get a 360, what else were you going to buy, a 6-year-old PS2?

[dimsumx]

And *** did better?

at least they released it on schedule to what they initially announced.. ;)

[Achilles]

Why is it that I couldn't see LOTRHM's post that you quoted? I've encountered this before as well - someone will quote a post that doesn't show up on my screen. I can see the quote, but the original post is nowhere to be found. I don't have anyone on my ignore list. Are people deleting their posts or something?It appears he deleted his post. I'm not seeing it anymore either.

[Evil Avatar]

HOLY FUCK

Lifetime permaban for me.

Do it, Evil, please.

Since this is pretty much my last post here:

Zanzibar, who was salivating with stupid anti-Sony joy, Vandenh and countless other Xbox fools got owned pretty hard.

Kamalot - just shut the fuck up already and stick that DS up your ass.

Kelegacy - up yours fella! We triumphed after all.

Forgive me Kutaragi-san that I doubted you.

Rot in hell, Gates. And take the Xbox division with you.

Bye, guys.

I think I missed something on my work days. (I had range this week and I worked almost the whole week.)

Send me a Private Message when you feel like talking.