David Reeves: Sony PS3 Development 'On Track' [Archive]

fitbabits

03-09-2006, 10:45 AM

Thanks to Next Generation (http://www.next-gen.biz) for the news (http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2450&Itemid=2).

David Reeves, head of Sony's European PlayStation operation, has this week insisted that production of PlayStation 3 is "on track". He also suggested that the machine's European and U.S launches could be closer to one another than many observers have hitherto predicted.

Speaking to European trade newspaper MCV, Reeves said, "There are so many rumors out there but no-one really knows the facts. I know what's going to happen and I am honestly very, very confident about it."

He spoke about the timing of PS3's European launch. "It is my job to match day and date with the U.S launch," he said. "I am doing my very best to make that happen." This is interesting in that most observers believe the European launch will come some time after the U.S launch. Sony has traditionally waited on Europe, and Microsoft's recent experience won't have persuaded the firm of the merits of simultaneous roll-out.

Reeves also talked about the fight with Xbox 360. "Most of the first million people who buy an Xbox 360 in PAL territories will also buy a PS3," he predicted.
Editor's Note - This news story (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=15235) was also posted (courtesy of GamesIndustry.biz (http://www.gamesindustry.biz)), in which a senior SCEE spokesperson wraps the knuckles of David Reeves.

Unintentional Sony humor FTW!

JediSanf

03-09-2006, 10:48 AM

Give me a date, or shut up. End of story.

Zanzibar

03-09-2006, 10:56 AM

However, the second article does hint at a little something:

"Traditionally, it's gone Japan, then the States, then Europe - not just on our console, but on other games consoles and on other consumer electronics. So he's making the point that personally, his role is to make sure that we get it into Europe absolutely as soon as we can. It's certainly not meant to imply that there will be [simultaneous] day and date, or anything like that."

I didn't see any qualifiers that they wouldn't adhere to that 'tradition.' So, for me, this gives another notch on the 'no simultaneous US/Japan launch' scoreboard.

Dag-Sabot

03-09-2006, 10:59 AM

Give me a date, or shut up. End of story.
-Ditto.

Well it wont be a complete loss for sony when they realise they got nothing. They can be like Sega!

MasterEvilAce

03-09-2006, 11:02 AM

See? SEE??? All sony does is talk and talk and talk.

Grimmjow

03-09-2006, 11:03 AM

this is funny because i posted a news article, how Namco says its impossible for sony to hit deadline, but it hasnt been posted yet :(

Dirty Harry

03-09-2006, 11:04 AM

Abednigo

03-09-2006, 11:04 AM

See? SEE??? All sony does is talk and talk and talk.

That's all everyone has been doing! It's not just Sony. No one has the slightest clue, but every day we get another rumor about a delay, then the next day another rumor saying it's on track, and back and forth it goes. No one has a clue, it's all speculation.

Nite_Moogle

03-09-2006, 11:08 AM

I would settle for a playable prototype, not even so much a release date at this point.

gzsfrk

03-09-2006, 11:08 AM

lol.... Right nut doesn't know what the left nut is doing. =)

Kamalot

03-09-2006, 11:09 AM

bapenguin

03-09-2006, 11:10 AM

this is funny because i posted a news article, how Namco says its impossible for sony to hit deadline, but it hasnt been posted yet :(

It's because it was posted 2 days ago. Here (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10415).

Kamalot

03-09-2006, 11:10 AM

lol.... Right nut doesn't know what the left nut is doing. =)
LOL!

The point is, they are all NUTS!

gzsfrk

03-09-2006, 11:12 AM

Man i cannot wait for sony to come out this gen and make all you nintendo/xbox fanbois shut the fark up and eat a big ol slice of humble pie, you know the longer you take the worse its going to taste.

Actually, to turn that the other way, the longer it takes for the PS3 to launch, the smaller Sony's piece of the pie will likely be. (I won't venture a guess as to how Sony's pie tastes.)

gzsfrk

03-09-2006, 11:14 AM

The point is, they are all NUTS!

Right!

Sony executives--the Almond Joy of the gaming world. They always feel like a nut!

Dirty Harry

03-09-2006, 11:15 AM

Actually, to turn that the other way, the longer it takes for the PS3 to launch, the smaller Sony's piece of the pie will likely be. (I won't venture a guess as to how Sony's pie tastes.)
Did you even read what you just said?, are you even capable of logic?, im done with your ass.

Kamalot: way to show your fannyboi tendencies.

King Drewsky

03-09-2006, 11:18 AM

Reading between the lines of that interview, it seems that it is pretty definite that it will be released in Japan significantly sooner than it is released in the US. Otherwise, he would say he was trying to match the date of the Japan and US release. I would define "significantly" in this instance to be at least 3 months, otherwise they could consolidate the launches.

pomeroy

03-09-2006, 11:19 AM

I'm super cool! I can spell fanboy in this new, hip way! FANBOI! It's funny because it's phonetic.

*sigh*

ruprect

03-09-2006, 11:19 AM

Good lord. . . I just wish Sony would announce when its going to launch and put the rumor sites (and their own employees) out of their misery.

I just want to see someone playing a game on real box. No man behind the curtain. No empty PS3 box. No pre-rendered crap. Just a person with a controller playing a game on a PS3 box with stuff in it that is doing all the work a console normally does. It can have 1 or 2 HDMI monitors connected to it. 1080p would be nice . . . but so would 480i at this point. Framerate is negotiable.

Now is that so hard for a company that plans to release this year (let alone in spring) to show us? Even if they show it at E3 this year I still MIGHT be convinced they can release by the end of June.

Wslove

03-09-2006, 11:22 AM

Dirty Harry

03-09-2006, 11:24 AM

And you are just the perfect picture of objectivity.
Yeah i think i have MPD so i feel i can give different opinions on a situation.

gzsfrk

03-09-2006, 11:25 AM

Did you even read what you just said?, are you even capable of logic?, im done with your ass.

"logic"... You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Kamalot: way to show your fannyboi tendencies.

Hello, Pot. Glad to have you joining us today.

Citizen Philip

03-09-2006, 11:27 AM

I haven't seen anything on any platform to encourage someone to stop enjoying what they have to switch to something else.

Grimmjow

03-09-2006, 11:28 AM

It's because it was posted 2 days ago. Here (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10415).

ooooOOOOooo thats makes alot more sense :) i didnt know :D

Dirty Harry

03-09-2006, 11:29 AM

"logic"... You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Hello, Pot. Glad to have you joining us today.
log·ic (lŏj'ĭk)
n.
The study of the principles of reasoning, especially of the structure of propositions as distinguished from their content and of method and validity in deductive reasoning.

A system of reasoning: Aristotle's logic.
A mode of reasoning: By that logic, we should sell the company tomorrow.
The formal, guiding principles of a discipline, school, or science.
Valid reasoning: Your paper lacks the logic to prove your thesis.
The relationship between elements and between an element and the whole in a set of objects, individuals, principles, or events: There's a certain logic to the motion of rush-hour traffic.
Computer Science.
The nonarithmetic operations performed by a computer, such as sorting, comparing, and matching, that involve yes-no decisions.
Computer circuitry.
Graphic representation of computer circuitry

Show me your logic in why you say things like you have said and I'll gladly retract my statements that your statements are warrentless and filled with more plot holes than a brick of swiss.

Zanzibar

03-09-2006, 11:33 AM

1080p would be nice . . . but so would 480i at this point.

Laughed LONG AND HARD when I read this.

Roc Ingersol

03-09-2006, 11:35 AM

Of course it's still 'on track'.
They just extended the track a bit.
:D

Dirty Harry

03-09-2006, 11:36 AM

Of course it's still 'on track'.
They just extended the track a bit.
:D
I think everyone should take on 3drealms mantra, When it's done. It helps with waiting, there are mountains to climb and women to hold while something is being completed.

UnderHero5

03-09-2006, 11:40 AM

The PS3 is nothing more than a Bluray trojan horse, a way to get you to buy your movies all over again. Take a look at the PSP. Same thing; a directionless feature-bloated, slow-loading DRM nightmare.

Anyone who is really a gamer will be busy playing on their 360 or Nintendo DS, two machines created specifically for gaming.
Yeah... the 360 is made SPECIFICALLY for gaming, just like the DS...
only instead of only playing games it plays MP3's...
and DVD's...
and music CD's...
and can stream media from your PC...

But you know... it's SPECIFICALLY designed for gaming... whereas the PS3, which has LESS media features, but is able to play BRay's... isn't a gaming machine...

What is wrong with you!

If that's your arguement then the 360 is "less" of a gaming machine than the PS3, based on what we know right now.

The only company who makes PURELY gaming machines right now is Nintendo.

But just because a machine can do other things than simply play games doesn't mean it's less of a gaming machine.
I play most of my games on PC... and it sure as hell does a nice job of playing those games. Obviously it has a "few" other functions as well :p

Play games for... the games! You sound like you hate Sony a little too much.
I remember 4 years ago MS hating was the big thing. My how times have changed.

A "real gamer" will buy a console for the games... so speak for yourself when you say "Anyone who is really a gamer will be busy playing on their 360 or Nintendo DS".

Anyone who's a real gamer shouldn't care what they are playing the game on, as long as it's fun.

GodFather

03-09-2006, 11:55 AM

Roc Ingersol

03-09-2006, 11:59 AM

Nah, they just gotta validate that consumer purchase.
feel good about picking the 'right' one.

Lord Dongkey

03-09-2006, 12:07 PM

So why the Fuck: Fark?

/sigh

RandomViolence

03-09-2006, 12:12 PM

*Does his best Peter Jennings impression*

Here we are at the sidelines of the traditional Evil Avatar PS3 flamewar.

We can see that both sides continue to build big burning effigies of each other, ignite them, put them out, reignite them, douse them again, rebuild them even larger, and set the blaze once more. Features are debated, monkeys are spanked, and "logic" is questioned. Neither side seems to diminish the other's intensity, and little is accomplished.

Large barrages of artillery on either side quiet as they cross the volatile border, and eventually fall as duds. Emotional expense is high, but the ranks never seem to thin. Propoganda on both sides leads to swift replacements and a burgeoning battlefield, and the only ones wounded seem to be those with a puny brain.

Hopefully the pointless warfare we see today will never be repeated :rolleyes: .

This is Peter Jennings, reporting from Evil Avatar.

*end*

Wslove

03-09-2006, 12:12 PM

seems like these posts are for fanboys to speww out nonsense on why their console is better or will be better when its realeased. I never quite got that kinda commitment people gave to a brand name. Youd think they'd have some serious stock in the company the way they go on and on.

You don't understand. You see, without our undying loyalty and fanatical devotion the multi-billion dollar company of your console of choice won't be able to survive. Thus, it is impossible to actually conceive of supporting more then one console as to do so would immediately bankrupt the company and turn the other console into a massive paperweight. I believe the violation of family members and kicking of pets is in there to. So you see, just to be on the safe side, we have to invent and twist logic as well as verbally and/or physically beat down any who would possibly suggest that our console could not possibly control 99.99% of the market. After all, Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo love us just as much as we love them.

bapenguin

03-09-2006, 12:27 PM

Kamalot

03-09-2006, 12:30 PM

Kamalot: way to show your fannyboi tendencies.Yep! You got me!

I am a fan of great games, and great systems. I am not a fan of buying all my movies over again on Bluray or a system that puts movies before games. Look at the PSP to see what happends when an ill-defined machine is released and supported with movie sales instead of games.

Yep. I am a fan of the well-thought out dashboard and online features of 360 Live. I am a fan of the new and interesting ways to play that the DS provides. I am a fan of the new, ergonomic 360 controller. I am a fan of the simple-yet-effective Nintendo WiFi. I am a fan of the 360's hard drive for downloading content. I am a fan of the level of polish and focus on gameplay than Nintendo puts into their titles.

I am a fan of tangible games and systems; not falling for the hype.

Damn, my secret’s out.

Kelegacy

03-09-2006, 12:32 PM

Hello? Is anyone in this thread? All I see is the OP and myself...my ignore list must be working.

Kamalot

03-09-2006, 12:33 PM

Xbox 360 is first and foremost a gaming machine.

PS3 is first and foremost a Bluray trojan horse.

If successful, Sony will make more money off of Bluray in the next 6 years than it will off of PS3 games.

Just because I can surf the web on my phone or display photos on my PDA does not change the primary function of the device.

Xbox 360 was made for gaming.

PS3 was made to introduce Bluray.

I don't know how it be any more simple.

Nojiko

03-09-2006, 12:44 PM

Sony couldn't _buy_ this much press. It's like any news is good news, people are keeping PS3 in the headlines, even when they haven't released any new meaningful info in a while.

Eran Hawke

03-09-2006, 12:48 PM

Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo love us just as much as we love them.I don't love any of them but I do love some of the games each of them host on their platforms.

I don't like being lied to by Sony though. It makes me feel dirty.

I remember waiting for the Ps2 with the same 'it is coming soon, right around the corner' kinda attitude.

When the Ps2 came out, it sucked. The Dreamcast had better games, was cheaper, had 4 player games, was online and all around way better.

The Xbox 360 is the same way. IF the PS3 is better than the 360, it isn't by much.

ask yourself, are you willing to give up an internal hard drive, downloadable demos, achievements, unified voice chat, ergonomic controllers and a year lead time for the PS3?

gzsfrk

03-09-2006, 01:00 PM

I think everyone should take on 3drealms mantra, When it's done. It helps with waiting, there are mountains to climb and women to hold while something is being completed.

I think the Sony-to-3D Realms comparison is perfectly appropriate. :)

PS3 Forever!!!

JediSanf

03-09-2006, 01:19 PM

Hello? Is anyone in this thread? All I see is the OP and myself...my ignore list must be working.

Aww, Kelegacy. I'm hurt. Really. Snakes on a plane.

Anyways, I want the PS3 to be awesomeness incarnate. I just want a date and price point a bit more.

Dr Quincy

03-09-2006, 01:32 PM

Sony please don't fail this generation - we do not need a games industry monopolised by Microsoft and Electronic Arts.

ezra

03-09-2006, 01:41 PM

I dont see what your problem is with this logic, Dirty harry. The longer it takes sony to release its system the less people there will be to buy it, since most casual gamers are just going to buy whats available - 360. Whether or not the ps3 will be gods gift to humankind is debatable - whether or not sony is hurting their profits by delaying is not. Its just common sense.

Vandenh

03-09-2006, 01:41 PM

Errr??? What?? Is something happening??? Sorry I was busy playing GRAW ;)

Zanzibar

03-09-2006, 02:02 PM

I will die laughing if Sony misses Christmas 06 in the US. But there's just no way that's gonna happen.

BlindSwordsman

03-09-2006, 02:04 PM

I will die laughing if Sony misses Christmas 06 in the US. But there's just no way that's gonna happen.

I have learned never to say never ;)

Wyrm

03-09-2006, 02:30 PM

The P in PS3 actually stands for the Phantom Station^3. You thought it was gone. Now it's gone harder and more betterer.

Achilles

03-09-2006, 02:34 PM

I have learned never to say never ;)If they do miss this Christmas than they’re sunk, especially if they retail at $400 or more. By that time the 360 will have ~10 million install base and have almost 2 years of games under its belt. And it's not like the PS3 can show it up graphically.

Wyrm

03-09-2006, 02:39 PM

I'm going to bet money they miss christmas.

Rendelius

03-09-2006, 02:53 PM

Honestly, I couldn't care less for a console by a company that released a shitty rootkit to "protect" their music. I once had a PS2, it was nice, but I have no intention whatsoever to buy a PS3. Period. I am more than happy with my top notch PC and the Xbox 360. Eat shit, Sony.

And just in case you try to brandmark me as a Xbox fanboy: nope. It's just a machine, and I don't have sex with it.

Kamalot

03-09-2006, 03:03 PM

Well, they did miss Christmas with the PSP.

I didn't think it would happen, but it did.

If they DO release before Christmas, it does not need to be many. Supplies will be limited, which MAY work in Microsoft's favor. Imagine if PS3 is all the buzz, Mom walks into the store and they have a mountain of 360s.

The same could work in Nintendo's favor as well.

Kamalot

03-09-2006, 03:12 PM

You know, the more I think about this, the better off both Microsoft and Nintendo will be this fall if the PS3 DOES ship. The PS3 will surely have severe shortages, but the hype would get people into stores. While in the store, they'll be trying the latest Xbox 360 games and trying out that Nintendo Revolution controller first-hand. Lots of people will forget the PS3 when they find out the other system are more fun, cheaper and available.

Citizen Philip

03-09-2006, 03:46 PM

I'm selling this thread as fertilizer. Ocasionally, *SOMEHOW* a useful chunk of information can be found that is totally not going to sell well to a farmer. Thankfully, at 6 pages I can sell in bulk.

Bumbuliuz

03-09-2006, 04:26 PM

It just pisses me off that Europe is the 2nd largest market after the U.S and we keep getting everything last or not at all. For instance Sony is NOT releasing Metal Gear 3: Substance in Europe :(

bobbler

03-09-2006, 04:57 PM

You know, the more I think about this

You know, I'm pretty sure everyone would just be better off if you did less of that stuff you're calling "thinking."

You're "logic" is so horrendously one sided it is beyond dumb -- Red Cloak would be proud.

And Sony has much more to gain from game/hardware sales than BR format will bring in, I hope you realize. BR licensing fees will likely be a swimming pool sized compared to the oceanic size that SCE's game licensing (and hardware sales when its profitable) will bring in. If you are going to make comments like you have in this thread at least know what the fuck you're talking about, lest you look like a complete moron (probably not a big fear of yours though, eh?).

Amazing.

Some of you other people suck too.

Zanzibar

03-09-2006, 05:28 PM

aversion2k

03-09-2006, 05:37 PM

Actually, to turn that the other way, the longer it takes for the PS3 to launch, the smaller Sony's piece of the pie will likely be. (I won't venture a guess as to how Sony's pie tastes.)

Based on that logic, xbox 3, and ps4 arent going to sell at all, because everyone will have bought xbox 360s and ps3's by then.

Thenetcase

03-09-2006, 05:45 PM

Give me a date, or shut up. End of story.

I dont' want so much a release date... as something tangible to see.

Either this is going to be the Sony version of the Phantom, or it's going to be the most phanominal console EVER released (which I highly doubt). At this point, Sony doesn't have much room for mediocrity.

-TNC-

bobbler

03-09-2006, 05:50 PM

Chill, bobbler. The logic is sound. Casual gamers (or PARENTS thereof) have a long and storied history of walking in looking for the Next Big Thing at Christmas, finding it's sold out, and walking out with the Previous Big Thing (that costs less, and has some nice games to boot). They HAVE to have a present, and if the big item isn't available, Johnny's gotta get something to open up Xmas morning. Face it, the PS3 isn't gonna be widely available on December 21st - either Sony's entire allotment gets bought up by the hardcore types in the weeks beforehand, or they miss Christmas. Either way, the sales of other consoles will improve.

That logic is fine, more or less, but his previous logic he's presented many times before (re: ps3 is nothing more than a trojan horse for BR and "not a gaming machine for real gamers" -- that's fucking laughable, and I shouldn't have wasted my time responding to such comments, but I did).

How much of an affect does it really have is completely unknown (it'll have some affect, but how many times do parents actually throw down money on 300-400 dollar things their kids don't explicitly ask for?), but it sure as hell isn't going to help them more than if PS3 wasn't out at the time (that isn't even arguable).

Additionally, depending on when the thing launches and how well they can deal with supply (I'm not sure if it's safe to use X360 as a ruler for that)... there's a lot of unknowns there. No doubt it'll be in short supply, but that wasn't really what I was responding to -- I just happened to select his last post as a starting place.

Achilles

03-09-2006, 06:00 PM

I dont' want so much a release date... as something tangible to see.

Either this is going to be the Sony version of the Phantom, or it's going to be the most phanominal console EVER released (which I highly doubt). At this point, Sony doesn't have much room for mediocrity.

-TNC-In Sony's defense they may have plenty of room for mediocrity. They still control 80% of the console market share, and have the best selling console in history. If they wait too long though the 360 will become the main console for this generation, and after that I agree they can't afford to be mediocre. If they launch in the spring, or even this Christmas before the 360 really takes off they may have a good shot at keeping their place.

Mr_Snuffle

03-09-2006, 07:05 PM

That logic is fine, more or less, but his previous logic he's presented many times before (re: ps3 is nothing more than a trojan horse for BR and "not a gaming machine for real gamers" -- that's fucking laughable, and I shouldn't have wasted my time responding to such comments, but I did).

I think he's taking it a little extreme, but there is truth in what he says. I think that first and foremost, Sony wany BR to win the format war, and the PS3 plays a large part in that. It most certainly is a trojan horse for BR. I wouldn't go as far as to say it isn't a gaming machine though, that's just silly.

Grifter

03-09-2006, 08:10 PM

Does any one here have a dollar I can borrow? I am drunk and could really use a slice of cheese

ezra

03-09-2006, 09:05 PM

I've only got fives, sorry.

vivafletcher

03-09-2006, 09:05 PM

Give me a date, or shut up. End of story.

That line never worked for me in college, and it won't work for you regarding the PS3.

WileE.Coyte

03-09-2006, 09:37 PM

I wish I had a dollar every time I logged on to EAvatar and read a PS 3 news update that didn't tell me anything new.

Nojiko

03-09-2006, 09:40 PM

Ask Nostradamus, he was really good at predicting the future based on nothing really.

SPECULATION = FUN! ^_^

DISCUSSION BASED ON FACT = CONSTRUCTIVE BUT NOT AS MUCH FUN. :(!

If you want Sony to eat shit and die, hope their launch fails, hope all PS3s are shipped with calculator chips on accident and Sony pulls out of the game market in shame or something, etc. Then you sir, are a hater. :(

I honestly stopped caring about _which_ console was 'best' a long time ago. The whole console idea kinda bothers me. I can play any DVD I buy at a local store in my DVD player. (Barring any strange and rare occurance that something does indeed stop me from doing so.) But to play a game I like, it also has to be _for_ a console I own. What. The. Hell. So, with a sigh, I limit myself to one console (Because I am a poor bastard.) that I think will have _most_ of the types of games I like, and I also want to see a handful of specific titles I'm interested in.

So, in short. I'll buy whatever console can boast the strongest library in my taste as a gamer. And as of yet, none of the next-gen consoles have given me enough of a reason to consider buying any of them. None of the hype or how much I 'like' or 'dislike' the companies brand name really matters by the time I've payed $20-$50 for a game and bring it home to put it in the damn thing.

Unfortunately, I'm a fan of such things as Metal Gear Solid and Gran Tourismo. At least there's same/better racing games on other consoles, but my MGS fix rests squarely with the Playstation line for now.

Consoles are just universal arcade machines, instead of playing one game with a quarter/dollar slot, they play many games that you can play at home and own permenantly. The _Games_ drive sales and success, the console doesn't even have to be that great. Look at the PS2 itself, weaker than a lot of it's competition, but, alas, best-selling console. GAMES. -- The XBox line is doing a great job as securing more quality titles people want, that alone makes them compete quite strongly to at least take away some of Sony's foothold on the market, they have done so already. -- Nintendo's gameplan is to innovate and have hit unique games to draw in from a large potential and new customer base. That intrigues me and I await some of these potentially ground-breaking and crazy-fun new games to be shown somewhere soon.

Dreamcast had good games too, sure--and it was a better console in a lot of ways than PS2. But anyone who knows about all the other crap that was going on at that time can throw that in to why it failed, the people we're talking about probably won't have those kinds of obstacles to overcome.

(EDIT: Typoes)

Dirty Harry

03-09-2006, 09:41 PM

I think he's taking it a little extreme, but there is truth in what he says. I think that first and foremost, Sony wany BR to win the format war, and the PS3 plays a large part in that. It most certainly is a trojan horse for BR. I wouldn't go as far as to say it isn't a gaming machine though, that's just silly.
Its more than this, you think Sony is evil for trying to extend its platform?, why do you think MS got into the game industry in the first place?, they monopolize PC gaming and all PC related things, why not home entertainment. Bill gates wants windows to be the GO to OS for the average day joe, he has already succeded. Gates also wants his game console to be average joe consumers choice for their entertainment. I really dont see how you MS fanboys can call sony evil, your talking about MS, its like the pot calling the kettle black.

JediSanf

03-09-2006, 10:17 PM

That line never worked for me in college, and it won't work for you regarding the PS3.

Haha, well put. You gotta remember though, in that analogy Sony would be a snobby sorority bitch, and I didn't date those.

To continue the analogy, Sony needs to stop being a cocktease and put out.

Mr_Snuffle

03-09-2006, 10:47 PM

Its more than this, you think Sony is evil for trying to extend its platform?, why do you think MS got into the game industry in the first place?, they monopolize PC gaming and all PC related things, why not home entertainment. Bill gates wants windows to be the GO to OS for the average day joe, he has already succeded. Gates also wants his game console to be average joe consumers choice for their entertainment. I really dont see how you MS fanboys can call sony evil, your talking about MS, its like the pot calling the kettle black.

You directing that at me? I never said anything about comparing the ethics of MS and Sony

TrackZero

03-09-2006, 11:12 PM

TrackZero

03-09-2006, 11:16 PM

Its more than this, you think Sony is evil for trying to extend its platform?, why do you think MS got into the game industry in the first place?, they monopolize PC gaming and all PC related things, why not home entertainment. Bill gates wants windows to be the GO to OS for the average day joe, he has already succeded. Gates also wants his game console to be average joe consumers choice for their entertainment. I really dont see how you MS fanboys can call sony evil, your talking about MS, its like the pot calling the kettle black.

Harry, all things being equal, the fact is I don't want the next movie format to also be controlled by the #1 game console and one of the top electronics manufacturers in the world. Blu-ray can suck my cock. I'm still buying a PS3, but it certainly isn't to play movies.

Wasson_

03-10-2006, 12:37 AM

Give me a date, or shut up. End of story.

Half-passed the monkey's ass, quarter till' his balls.

Dirty Harry

03-10-2006, 12:38 AM

I think you are all being too close minded about this situation by focusing on what is happening now or soon, instead of focusing on the future. Ken Kuratagi constantly speaks about the future in his press releases if you are so daft not to see this. I think its pretty heroic what sony is attemping to do with this competition they are facing. This time around sony has the same chance as every other console this "nextgen(but if the 360 is the first of the gen, then why are we still calling it nextgen when its the current gen). To put it into simple words, Sony is attempting to repel Microsofts advances into the home entertainment sector with the ps3. Their goal ive seen with each generation of play station is to add additional features besides gaming. The old saying "more bang for your buck" truly applies to the forumla sony follows. Now does the consumer really need "insert useless feature" or some jib jab is a very important question to how sonys model works. I'm certainly not buying a ps3 for the BR cap. but i am buying it for the gaming, multimedia abilities and what ever Sonys Live "rip off" can pull off. I may be sticking my foot in my mouth but what i hear is going to be released for their live service is something like (Online gaming, chat/im program, basic web browsing, demo downloads, movie trailer downloads, Expanding on online gaming, Lobby based games where you make rooms Ala mplayer or heat.net or gamespy etc). This is realistically what i predict.

Mr_Snuffle

03-10-2006, 05:48 AM

You have some high hopes for their "Playstation Live".

Sony isn't exactly well known for there excellent application design...

Microsoft however is has a very mature product already, and a lot of experience developing very usable software

From what I've seen of both Sony and Microsoft in the past, I think that whatever Sony does will be usable, but Live will be better

Kamalot

03-10-2006, 07:17 AM

Sony is attempting to repel Microsofts advances into the home entertainment sector with the ps3.

So, instead Sony can control the home entertainment sector? Don't go trying to make Sony's efforts sound noble.

Sony wants to sell you music from their music labels, in formats they control.

Sony wants to sell you movies from their movie studios, in formats they control.

Sony isn't trying to keep Microsoft out of your living room because they think Microsoft is bad for you; Sony wants to keep Microsoft out of the living room because it is bad for Sony.

All of Sony's DRM solutions for controlling media are piled high in the PS3 to make sure that it is a gateway to Sony's media conglomerate sitting in your living room. It isn't about games at all to Sony; unless you consider control of media formats to be a game.

Dirty Harry

03-10-2006, 11:31 AM

So, instead Sony can control the home entertainment sector? Don't go trying to make Sony's efforts sound noble.

Sony wants to sell you music from their music labels, in formats they control.

Sony wants to sell you movies from their movie studios, in formats they control.

Sony isn't trying to keep Microsoft out of your living room because they think Microsoft is bad for you; Sony wants to keep Microsoft out of the living room because it is bad for Sony.

All of Sony's DRM solutions for controlling media are piled high in the PS3 to make sure that it is a gateway to Sony's media conglomerate sitting in your living room. It isn't about games at all to Sony; unless you consider control of media formats to be a game.
Do you even take the time to listen to what you say?, have you any idea what the next version of windows incorporates?. You talk about DRM as if Sony is the only company guilty of this. You say Sony wants to control the formats that the average consumer uses?, explain that in depth, more so how they are attempting to do this. In my entire life time I've seen only a few formats that were for the consumer, most of them never caught on in western countries such as the svcd for example. The market has always choose formats that were made by high profile companies such as Sony, Phillips, JVC etc. These are all forms of DRM are they not, yet people seem to employ them everywhere you turn with open arms i may add. Sony gets alot of flak for trying to protect its investment, to you its just a cd of music, but to Sony its whats going to keep the company afloat. I cannot belive you would try to argue that the recent DRM fiasco from Sony with the music is immoral. How is trying to protect your invest wrong?, explain to me your logic on this situation kamalot.

Mr_Snuffle

03-10-2006, 02:16 PM

I cannot belive you would try to argue that the recent DRM fiasco from Sony with the music is immoral. How is trying to protect your invest wrong?, explain to me your logic on this situation kamalot.

*cough* rootkit *cough*

If you can't see what was immoral about that, then there is absolutly no point talking to you

Dirty Harry

03-10-2006, 04:12 PM

*cough* rootkit *cough*

If you can't see what was immoral about that, then there is absolutly no point talking to you
*cough* don't belive the hype *cough*

Mr_Snuffle

03-10-2006, 04:18 PM

*cough* don't belive the hype *cough*

Ahh... it's all anti-sony hype ja, much like all the reports of the holocaust are anti-nazi propaganda?

saran_js

03-11-2006, 01:53 AM

Dirty Harry

03-11-2006, 10:22 AM

I like the Brazil nut, Hazel nut and Pistascho nut the best, and may be some ground nuts too.

Chill guys. You people really have no life. Go get a job, go party, go do something else, rather than spam this site with drivel, hate and ignominy.
Shut the fuck up and stop spouting such bullshit, for your information i do many of those things and i have a life. A funny little fact is allot of the married Evav users have very hot wifes (i'm looking at you grinr wink wink) So i think you need to get the fuck out of here with your bashment of all that is full of good and win. If you arent into discussing gaming news than this site obviously isnt for your type, go back to gamefaqs. Stop being such a dirty litttle troll.

Achilles

03-11-2006, 11:33 AM

I like the Brazil nut, Hazel nut and Pistascho nut the best, and may be some ground nuts too.

Chill guys. You people really have no life. Go get a job, go party, go do something else, rather than spam this site with drivel, hate and ignominy.I do have a job, my job requires that I compile builds, over, and over, and over. Like right now. When I do this my computer isn't good for anything but submitting posts, or writing a book, which I can't do because if I wrote it on my work machine my company would legally own it.