Pure Evil - The Outfit Demo

[Evil Avatar]

I just tried Relic's The Outfit demo on the Xbox 360. Sadly, it took longer to download the 450+ demo that it lasted on my Xbox 360 hard drive. They only give you a single multiplayer level - which isn't a good idea because it just isn't any fun.

Deleted. Will not Buy. Thank you for saving me $59.99.

I did notice that there is also a trailer on the Xbox Live Marketplace for Battlefield 2: Modern Combat on the Xbox 360. You can't help but notice the "Actual Game Footage" logo in the lower right hand corner of what would be a CGI cinematic on any other game.

Battlefield 2 on the PC is a fantastic looking game with great graphics. Battlefield 2: Modern Combat on the 360 is BETTER.

Will buy. Thank you for costing me $59.99.

[Ludoc]

I don't know, I had quite a bit of fun playing the demo. I wasn't even sure if I'd rent the game prior to playing the demo and now I'm really considering buying it.

[Pumped'Up]

Where the hell are the must-buy titles for the 360?

[Dirty Harry]

Where the hell are the must-buy titles for the 360?
Ping Pong from Rockstar?.

[UnderHero5]

Battlefield 2 on the PC is a fantastic looking game with great graphics. Battlefield 2: Modern Combat on the 360 is BETTER.

Will buy. Thank you for costing me $59.99.
Better LOOKING yes. But if the gameplay is anything like the Modern Combat that came out on Xbox... then better playing? Hell no (and from what I've read, it plays just like the original Modern Combat).

Nice to see you make your buying decisions based on a games graphics though. Good job with that.
Strange... you hated The Outfit and I heard it's graphics were sub-par... hmm...

I don't own a 360 though, so I just saved 120 bucks! Woo!

[JediSanf]

Where the hell are the must-buy titles for the 360?

I'm gonna get lynched for saying it, but Ping Pong on Live could be cool.

Evil, I agree Outfit = No. I'm not a lock on BF2:MC yet though.

[Evil Avatar]

Better LOOKING yes. But if the gameplay is anything like the Modern Combat that came out on Xbox... then better playing? Hell no (and from what I've read, it plays just like the original Modern Combat).

I own Battlefield 2: Modern Combat on the Xbox. It plays exactly like Battlefield 2 on the PC, the graphics are just turned down a notch for console systems. I was just playing it a few nights ago when I got my replacement Xbox in the mail. It is a decent little game. If anything I would say it suffered mostly from Playstation2-ism, since it seems like the graphics could have been a lot more detailed than they are on the Xbox.

What was it you heard that would lead you to believe that Battlefield 2: Modern Combat played differently from Battlefield 2?

[Evil Avatar]

Nice to see you make your buying decisions based on a games graphics though. Good job with that.
Strange... you hated The Outfit and I heard it's graphics were sub-par... hmm...

I don't own a 360 though, so I just saved 120 bucks! Woo!

Not to play PC vs Console and take the thread off topic, but you do realize that you could buy an Xbox 360 and BOTH Battlefield 2: Modern Combat and The Outfit for less than the cost of a GeForce 7800 card, right? ;)

The point being (so that we don't get into a flamewar) is that console gaming is cheap and PC gaming is fairly expensive so if you aren't buying console games you really aren't saving anything.

[Evil Avatar]

Where the hell are the must-buy titles for the 360?

Dude. I said the same thing when the Playstation 2 launched - and look at its history of AAA titles. It just takes time. Early adopters always pay the price of a lot of ports and B level titles.

[GreenIce]

How much do HD tv's go for again these days?

[Vjornaxx]

The demo was fun, but not fun enough to convince me to buy the full game. Not that I was planning to, anyways.

And Evil: Battlefield 2 on the console certainly does not play anything quite like the PC counterpart. Medic and Automatic rifleman classes have been merged and their support gear has a limited use, engineer and anti-armor classes have been merged, the squad system doesn't exist, the commander class and all its associated assets do not exist in the console version, APC capacity has been significantly reduced.

[Evil Avatar]

How much do HD tv's go for again these days?

I have no idea. I play the Xbox 360 in the high resolution modes on my PC monitor. It cost me $50.00 for the cable. ;)

[Evil Avatar]

And Evil: Battlefield 2 on the console certainly does not play anything quite like the PC counterpart. Medic and Automatic rifleman classes have been merged and their support gear has a limited use, engineer and anti-armor classes have been merged, the squad system doesn't exist, the commander class and all its associated assets do not exist in the console version, APC capacity has been significantly reduced.

In other words, it plays exactly the same unless you want to get nit-picky about a few of the classes.

Gotcha.

[Vjornaxx]

Whatever, you're entitled to your opinion. I think the best part about Battlefield 2 was the social interaction with your squad and the sense of unity working under a good commander. In my opinion, that feeling wasn't captured in MC. When you take away that level of organization the gameplay is not "exactly the same"

[Borys]

I have to agree with Evil this time - every trailer & screenshot released, makes BF2 for the 360 the *better* looking game. This should be of course no surprise to anyone (is BF2 PC 1 year old already?).

Please don't make this a PC vs 360 thread (Evil will love both) - for the time being BF2 360 will be the graphics king, until BF3 PC hits that is :)

Note that I'm writing about graphics - not features (24-player limit, what?)

[Suicidal ShiZuru]

Any BF game on a console is gimped whether you admit it or not. Ill just have fun playing BF2 in packed servers with fully functioning classes. Also I cannot freaking imagine sniping properly without a mouse. This isnt a typical kb/m vs controller debate its just... BF sniping...

BF2 with 4 people on a small map = lame.

And no squads/commanders? Theres half the fun of it gone...

[IndependentGMR]

Not to play PC vs Console and take the thread off topic, but you do realize that you could buy an Xbox 360 and BOTH Battlefield 2: Modern Combat and The Outfit for less than the cost of a GeForce 7800 card, right? ;)

The point being (so that we don't get into a flamewar) is that console gaming is cheap and PC gaming is fairly expensive so if you aren't buying console games you really aren't saving anything.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7297089&type=product&id=1118843714616

$350 brother!

[thecrazyd]

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7297089&type=product&id=1118843714616

$350 brother!
Don't go spoiling his fun with your annoying "logic".

[UnderHero5]

Not to play PC vs Console and take the thread off topic, but you do realize that you could buy an Xbox 360 and BOTH Battlefield 2: Modern Combat and The Outfit for less than the cost of a GeForce 7800 card, right? ;)

The point being (so that we don't get into a flamewar) is that console gaming is cheap and PC gaming is fairly expensive so if you aren't buying console games you really aren't saving anything.
Well first of all, who said I had a 7800?
Second, who say's you NEED a 7800 to play BF2 on PC?
Third... with the 360 costing 400 bucks, and on average, games costing TWICE AS MUCH as most PC games... I wouldn't say console gaming is THAT much cheaper than PC gaming. Sure if you think you NEED the best of everything to enjoy a PC game, then it is very expensive. But you really DON'T need the very newest in hardware to enjoy PC gaming.

I have a 6800 GT that I bought almost a year and a half ago and it runs BF2 rock solid at highest settings @ 1280x1024.
But that's neither here nor there...

The fact that I am not purchasing either of these games DOES save me money, regardless of whether I have previously spent money on my PC hardware. Your statement doesn't even make sense.

If that's the case then you "saving" by not buying the Outfit isn't really "saving" anything because you'll spend that 50 dollars elsewhere...
See how much sense that makes?

You never fail to impress me, Evil.

Besides... who said I don't play console games? I just said I don't own a 360. I have all the current gen consoles (well, unless you're calling them "past" gen now... Xbox, PS2 and GCN I mean) along with the handhelds and older consoles...
And, unlike you, I've actually PLAYED both versions of Battlefield 2, so I can comment on whether they have the "exact same gameplay" or not. The fact is, THEY DO NOT.
At least PLAY BF2 on PC before saying such things.

Also, I love you. You make this site fun (guess that's your job, eh?)

Seriously.

I'm in love with you.

[Nintendo Revolution]

That bad eh? Well, it is a different type of game than Relic is used to making, I just find it hard to believe that they could product something that isn't fun (spare my Impossible Creatures, I don't know what happened there)

[Borys]

At least PLAY BF2 on PC before saying such things.


Uhh, he did and he does still and he loves BF2 PC.

[Vjornaxx]

I didn't think the demo for The Outfit was that bad, the gameplay just didn't grab me. I can dig the third person/RTS style, but it's not going to keep me coming back for more. Granted, there's only one level and one gametype to choose from, so it's not exactly a perfect representation of the game.

A lot of people are saying that the graphics aren't "next gen", but they're not exactly bad... hell, they're not exactly average... they just don't meet what people want to see in next-generation titles.

[KDups]

Whoa whoa, why are we talking about BF2 when Ghost Recon comes out this week? Shame on you guys.

[ÜberJumper]

/disclaimer: I am a rabid Relic fanboy.

I take it evil didn't get into any of the tanks and start driving through walls to run people over that were hiding behind them? Didn't throw down any "plays" with your squadmates (teargas keeps npcs out of emplacements)? Didn't drive through one side of a building and out the other?

First thing I thought after playing battlefield 2 was "man, I sure wish I could knock down buildings to get at the badguys in this". If there's a battlefield 3, I hope it combines the destructiveness of this game with the squadbased fun of BF2 (PC).

Yeah, the graphics aren't "real", but then this game is larger than life, cartoon style WW2 action, not Call of Duty style seriousness.

[GrinR]

Me? I love it. Especially once I figured out how to drop emplacements. yes, thanks, more!

[Wasson_]

Game Informer had a feature about it.

It seemed very "Average" to me. Lame cliche main character "unit guys"...and in a picture they had of game play it had one of the nazi guys hand totally clipping through the gun where he was holding it...

In the same issue they had a feature about EA's next gen MOH game, that looks pretty sweet.

[easi]

I own Battlefield 2: Modern Combat on the Xbox. It plays exactly like Battlefield 2 on the PC

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Good one.

[GrinR]

Game Informer had a feature about it.

It seemed very "Average" to me. Lame cliche main character "unit guys"...and in a picture they had of game play it had one of the nazi guys hand totally clipping through the gun where he was holding it...

In the same issue they had a feature about EA's next gen MOH game, that looks pretty sweet.

clipping = game is average

[Maskatron]

In other words, it plays exactly the same unless you want to get nit-picky about a few of the classes.

Gotcha.

Huh? A couple of those things he mentioned (the absence of a squad and the commander) are pretty significant it sounds like. Also, isn't the player limit a bit lower?

[Morratut]

/looks at what this thread has turned into and walks out

[Kaspian]

Man, you'd think with a demo developers would give enough content for one to give the game a fair shake. I'd expect at least 2 or 3 maps, preferably each corresponding to a different game mode. One map isn't enough to make a good judgement call.

[NightRain]

I could never figure out why so many people argue over PC Vs. Console gaming. Just play what you have and what you perfer. Everyone has different opinions and arguing about them won't force someone to change their mind.

Just becuase you like PC gaming more doesn't mean you can change a console gamer into a PC gamer and vice versa.

I use to be a PC gamer primarily and really only started to get into console gaming really seriously when the Xbox first came out, I really enjoy FPS games and up until the Xbox the consoles just couldn't compete. I have always disliked upgrading my PC every 6-12 months just to keep playing games but did it anyway until about 2-3 years ago. My current video card is a AIW 9600 Pro and it runs BF2, F.E.A.R, etc fine (without all the details of course) but I now enjoying playing games on my console setup more. I simply perfer my 57" Toshiba HDTV over my 22" NEC monitor. I still PC game but mostly with strategy games like AOEIII and CIV IV. I do own BF2 and F.E.A.R and do play them but find my self playing console games about 80% of the time now (compared to less than 10% 5 years ago).

I use to only play fighting games, sports games and some racing games on consoles with the occasional action FPS or 3RD person game. Now I truly think the console expereince is better for me, but not for everyone. Overall my PC is pretty good (AMD 64 3500+, 2.0 GB RAM, 900GB HDD, etc) and I really only need a video upgrade which I will probabaly do in 6-8 months when I can replace my motherboard and video card at the same time to get PCI-E.

I really use to dislike controlling FPS games on the consoles until the xbox controller, I really think they have an excellent layout, especially with the analog sticks. I hate using FPS games with the PS2 controllers becuase the analog sticks are too close together. No doubt a keyboard/mouse will sitll give you better control but with console gaming assisted aiming and practice you can get quite good with the controller too.

Both PC gaming and console gaming have their pros and cons, but I think MS is really working towards elimating some of the cons of console gaming with their controller and Xbox Live. I know right now that most PC games have great mod communities and that may never happen with the consoles, or at least not for a while. I also no that sittng around a single PC with a couple of friends playing a single game in usually no fun, and often not even possible (like FPS games) and requiring friends to cart around PC's are a pain in the butt. having a few friends sit around the living room and enjoying multiplay on a single system and a large TV is much more sociable, easy to get going and fun when compared to standard PC multiplayer-gaming (LAN parties excluded). Of course PC gaming will alway be more expensive because of the hardware upgrades you require. Odds are if you spend $2000 on a computer today in 4-5 years time it will be crap for gaming. But if you spend $2000 you can get an okay HDTV (40" or so) Xbox360 and a small surround system that can also be enjoyed with movies, TV, etc. That $2000 home theatre setup will still play movies and games just as well in 4-5 year for the most part and Xbox 360 games will only get better. I can prett much guarentee you that any PC you buy today will not be able to run top of the line games avalibel for both 360 and PC in 4 years without some upgrades. Sure you can also use a PC for downloading, music, etc. But a $500 PC can do that no problem.

Bottom line is that overall PC gaming is more expensive but also more flexible. Console gaming is more convienient for most and generally cheaper but more restricted in customization. Both a fun, and both are good just let each person choose what they like and stop fighting about them.

[Evil Avatar]

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7297089&type=product&id=1118843714616

$350 brother!

Much cheaper than the ones I was looking at a few days ago. I was looking at some of the SLI compatible ones and they were running like $599.99.

I'm tempted by the AGP version of the 7800 so I don't have to upgrade my whole machine this year.

[Borys]

Much cheaper than the ones I was looking at a few days ago. I was looking at some of the SLI compatible ones and they were running like $599.99.

I'm tempted by the AGP version of the 7800 so I don't have to upgrade my whole machine this year.

DO. NOT.

Wait for Vista. You don't need a new GPU right now, do you?

Upgrade (if ever) this time next year - perfect timing.

[bapenguin]

I"m gonna disagree. The Outfit was totally a surprise for me and I had a blast playing it online. I'm curious what the single player is like, but the multiplayer I tried when we had some 2 vs 2 going was fun as hell.

[Frogleg Special]

Yup

Vista Graphic Cards = DX 10 Cards
DX 10 Cards > Xenos in terms of tech, clearly

Paying PC GPU not having better tech than Xenos, yet more expensive -> Dumb, gullible, sheep to ATI or Nvidia.

[holysin]

Evil Avatar,
Get a Radeon X1900XT, you can´t go wrong with that, and the price just dropped to around 479 dollars. The X1900XTX costs 100 dollars more and is just a regular XT with a slight overclock.
While you´re at it, get a motherboard with pci-express, the AMD FX-57 processor for around 600 dollars (or a 3700+ and overclock it, if you´re into overclocking).
Plus 2gb of ram, of course.

I´m currently upgrading into that for playing Oblivion :D

DO. NOT.

Wait for Vista. You don't need a new GPU right now, do you?

Upgrade (if ever) this time next year - perfect timing.

Actually, DO.

How many games do you think will support DX10 when Vista is released?
Let´s see... Halo 2 and.. uhhmm... well... uhhhmm... There´s Halo 2 and... hmm... well...

[phantomhitman]

demo was a fun little game, I played a few 1v1 and 2v2 games. I jsut need to play it with some people that I know instead of random people that do not talk.

pc=good
consoles=good
they both play video games, end of story

[Sl1pstream]

How many games do you think will support DX10 when Vista is released?
Let´s see... Halo 2 and.. uhhmm... well... uhhhmm... There´s Halo 2 and... hmm... well...

So true. Halo 2 will be the only game that will support DX10, ever.



I wonder how The Outfit will run on a pc.

[Frogleg Special]

It will run ok. But PC will have something better than mindless fun that's The Outfit.

Company of Heroes.

[Kelegacy]

Maybe offering demos to people over XBL is not a good idea? It hurts when people see your game isn't very fun via a demo and then don't buy it. I think they'd rather have you buy it and hate it then be able to sample it first.

Good for us, bad for them. Full Auto was another such title. The 360 can't get Oblivion fast enough. C'mon killer app.

[holysin]

So true. Halo 2 will be the only game that will support DX10, ever.

no, but itll be the only one for a good while.
how many other announced dx10 titles can you name?

[ElPresidente]

I"m gonna disagree. The Outfit was totally a surprise for me and I had a blast playing it online. I'm curious what the single player is like, but the multiplayer I tried when we had some 2 vs 2 going was fun as hell.

Quoted for emphasis.

I had an absolute ball playing the demo and this was/against people I didn't know.

It is like an arcade style BF2 with some RTS elements rather cleverly thrown in for kicks.

On the subject of BF2 vs MC... the inclusion of the commander class was perhaps the biggest innovation in BF2 and a feature that was highly praised upon the games released. Of course the removal of that is a fundamental game change.

Doesn't mean the game is worse or better... it is a change though and I don't think picking up on that change is being picky. It is being observant of the gameplay.

Oh and PC vs Consoles? I'll always love my PC gaming but consoles most assuredly have a place in my gaming collection.

[King Drewsky]

What the fuck!!! It sure would be nice if there was some discussion about Outfit in here instead of stupid PC vs console bullshit.

Outfit - this was a surprisingly fun demo. Yes, the graphics were bad, the animation was choppy, and we had trouble getting friends into our custom party. However, the weapon selection is just nasty in a good way. Tanks, bazookas, and the mother fucking flamethrowers. There was just so many ways to obliterate your opponents. At one point, I got pinned down behind a wall and an anti-tank turret was blowing away the wall around me and even the building behind me. I cowered behind the one section of wall remaining and called down an air strike and eliminated all of the enemies in my general surroundings.

This is a fun party type miltary shooter. I just don't see paying $60 for it.

[GunnyMo]

I thought the demo was ok. I felt it was pointless to have three "classes" as all anyone ever did was buy vehicles. The map was way too small and way too laggy. The vehicles were a pain in the butt to drive and the "squad commands" were non-existent. I don't think it is a next gen game...it's a current gen game with some shiny graphics.

Now that I've written all that I must amend my "ok" to "sub-par". I agree with Evil when I say they've saved me $60. Thanks!

[GunnyMo]

What the fuck!!! It sure would be nice if there was some discussion about Outfit in here instead of stupid PC vs console bullshit.


No kidding. Glad to see the fanboys are out in force. Can't you guys just have a slap fight and get it over with? It seems neither one of you (pc or console) will ever figure out that there are great games on ALL systems. le sigh.

[phantomhitman]

No kidding. Glad to see the fanboys are out in force. Cann't you guys just have a slap fight and get it over with?

i would pay money to see this.

[KarmaGhost]

What the fuck!!! It sure would be nice if there was some discussion about Outfit in here instead of stupid PC vs console bullshit.Well, Evil did post on the main page that "Battlefield 2 on the PC is a fantastic looking game with great graphics. Battlefield 2: Modern Combat on the 360 is BETTER," so of course there was going to be some back-and-forth going on. What did you expect?

[King Drewsky]

Well, Evil did post on the main page that "Battlefield 2 on the PC is a fantastic looking game with great graphics. Battlefield 2: Modern Combat on the 360 is BETTER," so of course there was going to be some back-and-forth going on. What did you expect?

I expect you to shut the fuck up and take it to a PC vs Console thread or at least a Battlefield 2 thread.

[Sl1pstream]

Battlefield 2: Modern Combat on the 360 is BETTER," so of course there was going to be some back-and-forth going on. What did you expect?

But why? Battlefield 2 was released a while back. Couldn't it be possible that a game that isn't out yet looks better?

Of course, it's on a console and to the flock of pc fanboys, no console game could possibly look better than a pc game. :rolleyes:

And an entire page is more than "some".

On-topic: Downloading demo right now. Download isn't that slow.

[holysin]

Heck, isnt MC on the 360 just the xbox/ps2 MC with better graphics?
Kinda stupid to compare to the pc, not just different platforms, but different games.

[51|RandoM]

Heck, isnt MC on the 360 just the xbox/ps2 MC with better graphics?
Kinda stupid to compare to the pc, not just different platforms, but different games.

You're right it is kind of stupid. But we're dealing with somebody who also thinks that BF2 and BF2:MC play exactly the same. Don't waste your time with logic on this one.

[Zulu107]

Yes, I have to admit when I saw the wind and dust blowing as the helo was lifting off...I knew it was a must have. When you can combine the heat blur along with the dust...along with sand...and bullets whizzing past...I'm sold.

[GunnyMo]

I expect you to shut the fuck up and take it to a PC vs Console thread or at least a Battlefield 2 thread.

Oh there is such a ROFL going on right now. :D

[MrMeatshake]

this thread = lame.

[Citizen Philip]

No kidding. Glad to see the fanboys are out in force. Can't you guys just have a slap fight and get it over with? It seems neither one of you (pc or console) will ever figure out that there are great games on ALL systems. le sigh.

Take it one step further. It would be much better if all games worked across all platforms, then you wouldn't have to hear abour an awesome game you can't play because you have the wrong machine. You could f'in play it.

[Sl1pstream]

It'll become a price war. Platform wars would just continue.

[Mortis]

I think The Outfit was too "slow", everything seemed sluggish to me, mainly the controls. I had a bit of fun but after about 4 matches I just didn't have any desire to play it again on that same map. I will rent it for sure but will not be buying. The cool thing is you can play it anyway you want, take a more strategic approach or just blow shit up and kill people. Depending on the opponent though one playstyle may be more successful than the other.

The first must buy title for the 360 ships today.

[Nath5000]

I think that the demo has a learning curve. I started playing it and I agree that the game has a terrible first impression. It does look very nice as far as technical graphics go and fancy effects, but it isnt at all realistic. The physics are nice for destruction but they seem to lag up the games. The controls are the hardest part, they are really terrible at first and they take a while to get used to, and even after your used to them theyre still not particularly that good.

I started playing in a server with 3 other guys who were trying to give the game a chance and we played for 3-4 hours and were still discovering new gameplay elements and things we could do. We played for like 3 hours after that yesterday and we didnt lose a single game against the teams that were filling up the opponents team in the lobby. I'm guessing that we gave the game a bad impression for countless people because we were smoking everyone, although there were some good teams that were close to our score and challenging.

I think that the game definetly has more gamplay elements and unique strategic situations than battlefield is able to deliver. I havent played battlefield modern combat on xbox, but Ive been a battlefield PC fan from back when 1942 was out (with desert combat) to todays new battlefield and I think the same sort of stuff applies to battlefield pc but since battlefield has so many people its harder to stay strategic as a team and focused. If your playing with people who dont communicate well, or run around thinking of something cool they want to do (like fly choppers the whole match) the game feels like a giant random mess like an unreal tournament game and not necessarily strategic at all.
The outfit has less people per team and allows you to command squads and place objects similar to a command and conquer game, but more or less it reminds me of Battlezone, an old PC game that was a 1st person strategy kind of game.

Things I like about the outfit:
-The physics are cool
-Having a squad is a unique gameplay element.
-Being able to order and place weapons and vehicles to not only be used by yourself but your teammated.
-Being able to point at enemies and tell the squad how to handle the situation, whether its by assault or by supressing etc.
-The fact that most of the capturable points tie into the strategic advantages that allow you to purchase new items for the battlfield as a squad leader.
-You can damage enemy bases with rockets/explosives to disable their ability to use that bases special features until they repair it.
- No jaggies and a view of the battlefield looks absolutely clear and detailed on a big screen HDTV.

Things I dont like-
-The graphics style is a little GI Joe without being as cool as GI Joe and isnt really realistic.
-It lags a lot, probably due to the physics
-The vehicle controls could be much better as well as the camera controls.
-The shooting seems very lagged and in many cases much too auto aimed. I could shoot certain weapons far away from certain opponents and sometimes it would hit them even though I was nowhere close to aiming at them.
-No ability for first person view. I really honestly prefer battlefield style first person viewpoint in not only vehicles but as your player view as well, especially when this games 3rd person controls are so bad.

Will I buy it?
I'm not the kind of person who goes out of my way to buy a game JUST because im sick of everything that is currently out and just want something new and who satisfies for something that is good but not something I was waiting for. I would definetly not say that this game is "BAD", but I dont think its the deepest gameplay expereince your ever going to see. Im thinking and hoping that games like gears of war, will not only look better, but offer strategic 3rd person squad gameplay in a more polished manner than this game. The biggest downfall with The Outfit is that you instinctively want to compare it with battlefield, when it really is much different in style, and in gameplay elements. I will not be getting this game, but this definetly has sparked me interest in a rental that I'll probably have fun with one weekend.

I just wanted to fully explain my expereince with the game since this news post was basically a "Thanks for releasing a demo, Ill definetly NOT be getting this game" type negative attitude like a thumbs down review with no explanation leaving people with a bad impression without even playing it and not even knowing why.

I'd have to say that the game definetly gives a bad first impression, especially if youve ever played battlefield, but it really isnt all that bad when you give it a chance and find some people to play with who want to play strategically and share information well about what they learn about the game.

I have nothing against EvilAvatar even though I was banned for a week or two for having an opinion back around when the site first implemented this forum structure. I think everyone has a right to an opinion but you have to realize that tons of people come to this website because it definetly is one of the best places on the net for the best and most meaningful video game news highlights, however posting a "this game is bad, period" style review is something that I find even worse than the mind washing paid under the table elaborately dishonest reviews published by some big name videogame news sites like IGN and Gamespot. I think that because if I hadnt played the demo myself, I seriously probably wouldve taken everyones word for it based on what I read here (as someone who wasnt the slightest bit interested in"the outfit" before playing the demo). This site really has the power to influence that any other type of media has and I think that if a review is going to be posted it should at least present some reasoning that not only presents a negative view, but key things about the game that allows the reader to fomulate his/her own opinion as to whether they like that feature or are able to put up with this sort of downfall...

Anyways before this post turns into a novel, Im going to end it and stop editing it (lol) so sorry if there are any blatantly annoying spelling/grammar issues with it. I know some people base credibility on that sort of thing.

[Sl1pstream]

Both camera and controls need a lot of work. If they fix those things, I might buy this after the storm of AAA titles this month.

[HardScores]

Any BF game on a console is gimped whether you admit it or not. Ill just have fun playing BF2 in packed servers with fully functioning classes. Also I cannot freaking imagine sniping properly without a mouse. This isnt a typical kb/m vs controller debate its just... BF sniping...

BF2 with 4 people on a small map = lame.

And no squads/commanders? Theres half the fun of it gone...

Have you played Sniper Elite? Heh. They got it right.

I'm not suprised that the demo sucked. Most demos suck nowadays. BLACK's demo was enough for me to save the money. Sure, I'm renting it right now on my Games Pass - and it's reaffirmed my choice of not buying. But seriously, the demo was 5 minutes long. They really need to catch up wiht PC demos - the Star Wars game that just came out (don't care to look up the title) had a GREAT demo. It was the entire tutorial!

[Vore]

Did anyone notice the "Co-op" built in? any game that has that built in, gets atleast a rental chance from me. I think the main problem with the demo is that its not much of a demo. 1 level, 1 mode thats not going too keep people fever pitch'd bout your game (in 6 days Mar 13) so they run out and buy it.

[51|RandoM]

1 level, 1 mode thats not going too keep people fever pitch'd bout your game (in 6 days Mar 13) so they run out and buy it.

Depends on the game, and the demo. Remember the x-com demo? One level, and I played that thing over and over for a month waiting for the game.

[iamkevin]

You can't help but notice the "Actual Game Footage" logo in the lower right hand corner of what would be a CGI cinematic on any other game.

Hey Evil,
That "Actual Game Footage" looks more like "Actual CGI cinematics from the Game". It doesn't say "Actual Gameplay Footage." However, I haven't checekd out any other videos of the game so I can't say for sure, but you should probably verify that that is in-game engine footage.
I think that disclaimer at the bottom is in response to the lawsuit against... Activision? about TV ads showing completely new CGI that doesn't exist in the game. I think the judge it said that you're allowed to show CGI, as long as it's in the game, although honestly I didn't pore over the whole lawsuit to make sure, but that seemed to be what was implied from what I read, and of course it's up to the discretion of the judge on how to interpret the ruling.
Don't spend your $59.99 until you know.

Also, try the Outfit a little bit longer, there's a lot of stuff in there that isn't immediately apparent, since there's no help and the UI isn't intuitive it's hard to discover. But i'll agree, it's not a $60 game for me, though I might spend $50 on it.

[Sl1pstream]

Hey Evil,
That "Actual Game Footage" looks more like "Actual CGI cinematics from the Game". It doesn't say "Actual Gameplay Footage." However, I haven't checekd out any other videos of the game so I can't say for sure, but you should probably verify that that is in-game engine footage.
I think that disclaimer at the bottom is in response to the lawsuit against... Activision? about TV ads showing completely new CGI that doesn't exist in the game. I think the judge it said that you're allowed to show CGI, as long as it's in the game, although honestly I didn't pore over the whole lawsuit to make sure, but that seemed to be what was implied from what I read, and of course it's up to the discretion of the judge on how to interpret the ruling.
Don't spend your $59.99 until you know.

Unless I missed it somehow, the original BF:MC didn't contain any CGI cinematics.

[Dag-Sabot]

I honestly cannot believe youre comparing this game to bf2. I played the demo, its more like mercenaries for the xbox.
-Except mercenaries was much more fun to play.

[Phades]

Depends on the game, and the demo. Remember the x-com demo? One level, and I played that thing over and over for a month waiting for the game.

Ah, Xcom. That was easily the best demo I ever played. I remember it coming with an issue of PC Gamer on a 3.5" floppy disk and carrying it around to several friends house telling them "you have to try this!!!"

Now if only they'd release a new one in that series and make it true to the original game. 100% turn based, not some crappy RTS hybrid like Apocalypse.

[Poewan]

I'd have to say that the game definetly gives a bad first impression, especially if youve ever played battlefield, but it really isnt all that bad when you give it a chance and find some people to play with who want to play strategically and share information well about what they learn about the game.

Interestingly enough, my experience with this demo, after playing it for about 3 hours, is exactly the opposite. My first impression of it was that the game was a light, yet very entertaining little shooter. I really enjoyed the physics and the squad elements. Was a lot of fun at first. The visual presentation was sub-par, but that didnt bother me.

However, my opinion started to shift once I started to look deeper in the game...the first thing to annoy me was the vehicule controls. Then the lagginess, and how non-responsive the general controls seemed to be at times. Squad controls are also lacking...they are ok, but not "Freedom fighters" good. But what really turned me completely off, was the realisation that this thing is completely unbalanced. If the supplied map is a good indication of what the rest is like, its a huge waste of a good little game.

I just think the bloody turrets are way too overpowered, especially the 250 points AA turrets. They mow down normal troops like nobody's business, and make terribly effective defensive walls. Plus, they cost less than the air strike thats usually nescessary to take em down. The Nazis can get access to them faster than the allies, so an organized team can control them way too easily. Then, they just have to build a good offensive/defensive wall of turrets, get the tank upgrade, and push the allies towards the middle...while encircling them with said turrets. Sure, they are some counters, but none of them are effective enough to really balance things out. Tested this with some friends, filling out the 2 teams...using this little tactic, and everybody switching sides often, the Allies were never able to win a bloody game.

To me, this might have been something I would have considered purchasing as a good, fun shooter to play among friends. But as it is....well, playing against friends, which is how I would have played this, its either a bloody frustrating fight on the Allied side, or a boring easy win on the Nazi one. On this map, at least. I guess I'll rent it, to see how the rest of the thing is, but as things stand now, its a big no go.

[SPBTooL]

I just think the bloody turrets are way too overpowered, especially the 250 points AA turrets. They mow down normal troops like nobody's business,...
I think this is mostly due to the small map in the demo since the spread of fire for the AA is rather large. It looks to me like the AA would not be as effective on the larger maps when shooting at farther distances.
I also expect the vehicles to be more effective on the larger maps. On the larger maps there is much less concentrated fire. That alone should allow the vehicles to show off their traits of speed, armor and firepower.
I have had a blast playing the demo. I especially love taking out enemy heroes all melee style.