(Fake) Screenshot from Beta of Twilight Princess

[Doctor Setebos]

Hyrule.net received an exclusive screenshot (http://www.hyrule.net/?get=newsview&date=1262&lan=en) of the beta version of the Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. Along with the image, they also received the message:
look closely and you might see something newUPDATE: Revealed as a fake...sorry all! (http://hyrule.net/?get=newsview&date=1278&lan=en)

[Syl]

I'm curious what the "new" thing is, but that dungeon looks gorgeous.

[Hignaki]

Why must we be teased like this?!

[MusicToEat]

I noticed what was new, no camel toe.

[LilAbner]

I'm curious what the "new" thing is, but that dungeon looks gorgeous.

You're serious?

[EvilBob46]

You're serious?

For a low-res screenshot of Link standing in a corner in some dungeon it looks decent.

[Rirath]

Brilliant? I'd choose a different adjective, honestly. Something along the lines of release-the-freaking-game.
I think they picked a good one for it: "cruel"

[benig]

You're serious?
Yes, the game looks gorgeous.

[Doctor Setebos]

Brilliant? I'd choose a different adjective, honestly. Something along the lines of release-the-freaking-game.
I think they picked a good one for it: "cruel"
I was referring to the "look closely and find something new" comment. It's forcing fanboys across the globe to eek every last little detail they can possibly scrape from this single screenshot, possibly delaying their desire for the game just a bit. Sort of like how you can divert your attention on a major pain in your body by creating a new pain elsewhere.

Which, I think in this case, is probably an appropriate analogy. :D

[Xed]

The screen looks OK. Not great, but not bad either. I really don't care about the graphics all that much anyway. I just want to play the damn thing!

[51|RandoM]

Link is waxing his legs, that is new.

[destoo]

Best theory I've read so far.. The alcove leads to a black and white world.

This would mean they scrapped the PSO-style big round-with-squares gate when switching from Twilight to Daylight worlds.. They looked TRON'ish, but I think these style of graphics have no place in a medieval world.

[Grifter]

look closely and you might see something new

Link likes wearing womens dresses?

[Klade]

^ beat me to it, I was going to say he was wearing a skirt heh.

[Montgomery_Python]

I was hoping the new thing would be losing the skirt and wading boots and getting some levis.

[DigitalFirefly]

It's in widescreen.

[Watership]

No hat?

Did they get rid of his hat, or is it just obscured? Cuz. Like... Its a dumb hat. Also. Stop calling it Legend of Zelda, when it stars Link. Also. Nintendo, stop using the same 10 IPs. God.

[bapenguin]

wow...that's one blurry screenshot.

[Blade]

Looks like the hat is possibly obscured.

Also, the widescreen may be due to this being part of a cutscene or transition sequence.

[Thenetcase]

I noticed something new....

<sarcasm>

LINK IS GAY! You can tell because he's got an earring in his ear and a thumb ring on his right hand.
Oh noes!!

</sarcasm>

-TNC-

[destoo]

Photograph of a TV explains the bluriness..

yes.. 16x9 seems to be the big thing with that shot. Guess we'll see at e3

[Wedge]

What is this? Nintendo is trying to pull a ilovebees super light or something?

Next time, less blur, more info. Pretty please :o

[Wedge]

Aaaand it's fake:
post 651 (http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/showthread.php?t=30718&page=44)

[Watership]

What is this? Nintendo is trying to pull a ilovebees super light or something?

Next time, less blur, more info. Pretty please :o

I bet you Ilovebeessuperlight.com will be just a popular, everyone who went to ilovebees.com will go to the new site. No one will be upset that there is a brand new better version of the site only 14 months after the old one.

okay, I don't know where I'm going with this post. Zelda FTW. Er.. Link. Why is this still named THe legend of zelda? why?

[ezra]

Aaaand it's fake:
post 651 (http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/showthread.php?t=30718&page=44)


That post doesn't say anything about it being fake, it just says that the torch isnt anything new. Nice jump to conclusions there buddy.

[overdrivechao]

Nintendo, stop using the same 10 IPs. God.

As if N is the only company guilty of this. Sorry to break it to you, but the money and thus the buisness is all in the IPs. Games like Shadow of the Collossus, even with its huge numbers, still turn developers off. It's simply too risky to put your company on the line to make good original games, when you know people will buy Tony Hawk 13 or Madden: This year's.

[overdrivechao]

Aaaand it's fake:
post 651 (http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/showthread.php?t=30718&page=44)

Did you read the thread?

[Wedge]

That post doesn't say anything about it being fake, it just says that the torch isnt anything new. Nice jump to conclusions there buddy.

It was the identical angle of the torch, identical flames, identical sparks, mirrored torches in the back, and the general blurryness of the picture that "fooled" me into believeing it was fake. Sorry.

[EvilBob46]

Did you read the thread?

Why don't you link to where in the 43-page thread it talks aobut the screenshot being fake, instead of making people read through dozens of pages of who knows what.

[TRiLoGY]

looks like he has a Beard..

Does he normally have a Beard?

[Mason]

Hmm, well either it's a fake, or they don't have their flame's animating yet. Neither is that improbable.

Those of you that are dying of anticipation, you should've gone to PAX last year, you could've played TLoZ:TP on a giant screen in front of dozens of slack-jawed nerds.

[AndoCalrissian]

This image is on the thread page that was linked:

http://www.foon.co.uk/extern/hyrule.not.png

[Watership]

As if N is the only company guilty of this. Sorry to break it to you, but the money and thus the buisness is all in the IPs. Games like Shadow of the Collossus, even with its huge numbers, still turn developers off. It's simply too risky to put your company on the line to make good original games, when you know people will buy Tony Hawk 13 or Madden: This year's.

Nintendo as a first party developer is very guilty of this. I'm not talking sequels, I'm talking using Zelda/Metroid/Mario/DonkeyKong is like 20 games.

Mario Tennis, mario Soccer, mario baseball, mario kart, mario rpg, mario ddr, mario fighting, mario party, mario golf, mario pinball and 7 mario party games. 7

and I didn't even mention the other platform Mario games.

Imagine working for Nintendo and you start to have this idea about this fun fighting game with lots of run and interesting mechanics, and then realize. "I will never get this made unless I put every Nintendo character in it."

It sells well and plays well, for sure. but in the final analysis creativity is lost to branding. and if Shadow of the Colossus was made by Nintendo, it would be call "Zelda: Flower Giants" or "Mario's Giant Turtle Quest".

and I would have never played it.

[Wedge]

Why don't you link to where in the 43-page thread it talks aobut the screenshot being fake, instead of making people read through dozens of pages of who knows what.

The link was to page 44 in that thread, and my link said "post 651". what more do you need?

[thecrazyd]

Nintendo as a first party developer is very guilty of this. I'm not talking sequels, I'm talking using Zelda/Metroid/Mario/DonkeyKong is like 20 games.

Mario Tennis, mario Soccer, mario baseball, mario kart, mario rpg, mario ddr, mario fighting, mario party, mario golf, mario pinball and 7 mario party games. 7

and I didn't even mention the other platform Mario games.

Imagine working for Nintendo and you start to have this idea about this fun fighting game with lots of run and interesting mechanics, and then realize. "I will never get this made unless I put every Nintendo character in it."

It sells well and plays well, for sure. but in the final analysis creativity is lost to branding. and if Shadow of the Colossus was made by Nintendo, it would be call "Zelda: Flower Giants" or "Mario's Giant Turtle Quest".

and I would have never played it.
What is the problem with trying new things using existing characters? It is just a way that they can innovate with some manner of financial security. It is also a way to keep the names themselves fresh. I see what you are stating, I just do not see why it is a problem.

[Draft]

Only Nintendo fans would salivate over a blurry ass shot of link standing there not doing a damn thing of consequence.

edit: oh shit I better make my next post a good one.

[Adam Blue]

The link was to page 44 in that thread, and my link said "post 651". what more do you need?

I see what he's talking about. Seems like some copy/paste photoshop work. But I could be wrong.

[AndoCalrissian]

Nintendo as a first party developer is very guilty of this. I'm not talking sequels, I'm talking using Zelda/Metroid/Mario/DonkeyKong is like 20 games.

Mario Tennis, mario Soccer, mario baseball, mario kart, mario rpg, mario ddr, mario fighting, mario party, mario golf, mario pinball and 7 mario party games. 7

and I didn't even mention the other platform Mario games.

Imagine working for Nintendo and you start to have this idea about this fun fighting game with lots of run and interesting mechanics, and then realize. "I will never get this made unless I put every Nintendo character in it."

It sells well and plays well, for sure. but in the final analysis creativity is lost to branding. and if Shadow of the Colossus was made by Nintendo, it would be call "Zelda: Flower Giants" or "Mario's Giant Turtle Quest".

and I would have never played it.
You apparently see Mario as a single type of game or just as a character when Mario is actually a brand. And it's this branding that has made Mario titles the highest selling games of this generation, topping out even Halo and GTA when they are totalled. I would have agreed with you a few months ago, until I realized this.

And your complaint would be more valid if all of those games were horrible, which they are not. Most of them are awesome games.

[Dakar]

Only Nintendo fans would salivate over a blurry ass shot of link standing there not doing a damn thing of consequence.

edit: oh shit I better make my next post a good one.
Haha that's exactly what i was thinking.

You show me that screenshot without telling me it's Twilight Princess and I for one wouldn't care less.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

Having the same torch in multiple shots means absolutely nothing. Anyone who has actually played the Zelda games would know this. The torches are always the same in each title. Wind Waker's torches were all alike, Ocarina's were all alike, etc.

I personally can't wait for this title. It's too bad some people have too much hatred for Nintendo to enjoy it. Oh well, back to Generic Sports/Racer/FPS for you guys.

[xcalibur]

Only thing I notice is link is left-handed in this pic. Isn't he right-handed in past games? Not that that really means anything, I guess.


-X

[grimjoe]

Only thing I notice is link is left-handed in this pic. Isn't he right-handed in past games? Not that that really means anything, I guess.



link has always been left-handed

[Ph00p]

Only Nintendo fans would salivate over a blurry ass shot of link standing there not doing a damn thing of consequence.

edit: oh shit I better make my next post a good one.


As opposed to Xbots who salivated over that stupid site with the green bunnies only to be let down. Xbots don't even need any screenshots to get all hyped and excited about Xbox.

[Watership]

You apparently see Mario as a single type of game or just as a character when Mario is actually a brand. And it's this branding that has made Mario titles the highest selling games of this generation, topping out even Halo and GTA when they are totalled. I would have agreed with you a few months ago, until I realized this.

And your complaint would be more valid if all of those games were horrible, which they are not. Most of them are awesome games.

No, I said it was a brand. I didn't say the games were bad. Just that the repetitive nature of the brand is a good thing for sales, and a bad thing for creativity.

[easi]

edit: oh shit I better make my next post a good one.

51|Random or whatever his name is also on 1337 posts.. has Evil been messing about??

I think there's plenty to be excited about in this photo. It's clearly a new take on the series where you play as Zelda wearing Link's clothes, this explains the shaved legs.

[Jukey]

I haven't played a zelda/link game for a long time, but that certainly looks like a girl to me. /shrug

[Deadend]

I can't belive that I clicked that image.

I feel so dirty now.

[DoubleUranium]

As opposed to Xbots who salivated over that stupid site with the green bunnies only to be let down. Xbots don't even need any screenshots to get all hyped and excited about Xbox.

Not really a strong argument in a thread with people salivating over a blurry, boring screen shot where nothing is happening. I'd better get back to deciding between paying Halo Tennis, Halo FPS, Halo Soccer, Halo Party, or Halo Golf.

[Opty]

No, I said it was a brand. I didn't say the games were bad. Just that the repetitive nature of the brand is a good thing for sales, and a bad thing for creativity.
A bad thing for creativity? It's a good thing for creativity! It creates a saftey blanket for if one say, makes a platformer that's played with a bongo, they can expect a certain return. It makes making risky, innovative games that much less risky and so it's good for innovation. Just because the outside looks the same doesn't mean the inside is completely different.

Also: the Mario Party series is Nintendo's personal Madden moneycow. As long as that game exists they'll always get people buying the newest version.

[Oddmaker]

http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/showthread.php?t=42296

[Suicidal ShiZuru]

Its so awesome watching fanoboys bitch eachother out.

And who cares about a low res "screenshot"?

[Kelegacy]

Having the same torch in multiple shots means absolutely nothing. Anyone who has actually played the Zelda games would know this. The torches are always the same in each title. Wind Waker's torches were all alike, Ocarina's were all alike, etc.

I personally can't wait for this title. It's too bad some people have too much hatred for Nintendo to enjoy it. Oh well, back to Generic Sports/Racer/FPS for you guys.
Copying and pasting is an industry standard. Anyone played Halo?

[sTubbs]

Copying and pasting is an industry standard. Anyone played Halo?

Has anyone played any game ever? How many times have we seen the exact same computer in every office of a game, even in different levels that take place in different parts of the world? Or the same chair, or the same desk, or the same door, or the same plant, or the same lamp, or the same box, or the same painting or the same...over and over and over and over again? The examples are infinite.

I find it hilarious that people found this screenshot suspect because it displayed a torch present in other screenshots. It is as though they have never played a video or computer game in their entire lives.

[JazGalaxy]

I'm nto saying the shots AREN'T fake since I too am a graphics jockey and know my way around PS, but as someone who's played a lot of videogames and knows a tiny bit about 3d rendering... it's not at ALL uncommon to see torches in games that look identical. In everything from Dark Cloud to well... almost any PS2 game with torches, you can stand in a room and watch them all flicker identically as per the script that governs their particle effects. They are rarely, if ever, random.

So... while that shot looks shady for a billion reasons, I think the similarity in the torches is low on the list.

[jakie_chon]

In halo it looked more like a company policy

[Bone]

The first thing I thought was that it was a first person shot of another Link holding a torch in a multiplayer mode.

[Opty]

It's not common for two separate screenshots to have the exact same particle spray if they're using particles and not animated billboarded textures. Thus I'd have to say it's faked.

[ezra]

It's not common for two separate screenshots to have the exact same particle spray if they're using particles and not animated billboarded textures. Thus I'd have to say it's faked.


Of course. Someone went to all the trouble of painstakingly rendering link exactly as seen in all other screenshots, creating a 3d environment to put him in, but foolishly copied and pasted a torch from another screenshot.

Give me a break.

[Wedge]

I find it hilarious that people found this screenshot suspect because it displayed a torch present in other screenshots. It is as though they have never played a video or computer game in their entire lives.

A torch that is shown from the exact same angle and exact same frame of animation, mind you. In a rather blurry and dark low res picture. Released by an unnamed nintendo official. To a fan site.

Coincidence? Maybe. I doubt it though.

[bean19]

I noticed something new....

<sarcasm>

LINK IS GAY! You can tell because he's got an earring in his ear and a thumb ring on his right hand.
Oh noes!!

</sarcasm>

-TNC-

Yes. But that isn't _new_.

[Opty]

Of course. Someone went to all the trouble of painstakingly rendering link exactly as seen in all other screenshots, creating a 3d environment to put him in, but foolishly copied and pasted a torch from another screenshot.

Give me a break.

What are you talking about "rendering" for? All pieces of that image could have been put there with copy and paste. In fact, the "3d environment" could itself just be copied and reflected with some edits to the shadows to attempt to make it look not mirrored. The castle in the background behind Link could have been lifted from any of the movies that have the castle in it. People will go to great lengths to make fake videos/images, as the Nintendo ON thing proved.

Also, the torches being mirrored doesn't mean near as much as that front torch being identical as the other torch. Particle systems are easy to make and cost very little art wise, so I'm almost 100% sure that would be using a particle system, at least for the sparks. This means that between two scenes the chance of particles lining up like that is very low unless Nintendo decided that randomness was too crazy of an idea for fire and have all fire spark particle systems running a hard-coded script where the sparks do the same thing each time and this screenshot just so happened to take place on that frame.

[ezra]

What are you talking about "rendering" for? All pieces of that image could have been put there with copy and paste. In fact, the "3d environment" could itself just be copied and reflected with some edits to the shadows to attempt to make it look not mirrored. The castle in the background behind Link could have been lifted from any of the movies that have the castle in it. People will go to great lengths to make fake videos/images, as the Nintendo ON thing proved.



It is true that someone, with enough time and effort, could pull of a convincing fake that could fool even the hardest skeptics. But this, if it is fake, is not an easy cut and paste job. The lighting on all the objects is correct, no discrepancy in object edges can be seen, and if it had been a copy and paste of link, someone would have noticed right away. I'd say the fishiest thing about this is the circumstances in which it was released, not the torch.

[Achilles]

Not that interesting a screenshot. Blurry on top of having nothing at all going on. If they hadn’t said something was hidden in it I doubt anybody would have looked at it. The torch in the foreground looks pretty weird, but knowing Nintendo, it’s nothing.

[Magnanimous Gnome]

Maybe the shot is intentionally blurry to make it harder to find whatever the "new" thing is. Either way this shot is getting a lot of attention, so if it was put out by marketing the job is done.

[a|A]

God, this is almost as bad as that "I have a copy of HL2 before everyone else look here I am holding the box" photo a while back. ( and yes, the copy was real then, but no people seemed to think that his "thumb" looked weird ... riiiiiight ). People are so eager to say "ITS A FAKE" that they dont really seem to look at the thing.

Yes, there are similarities to the other screenshots and videos that have been shown , but you've got to look at it as if you were putting it together.

Torches in games these days very rarely have a completely 100% unique particle system, so its highly likely that torches IN GAME look remarkably similar. Also, The same angle ? okay, so what ? Someone could easially manouver the camera to the same position in game. Why ? Because something in the foreground looks cool!

The only reason I might think this image is fakes in the shadow under links chin. Theres a torch infront of him, the shadow shouldn't be there - but Im not sure how nintendo has done the lighting in this game, also not sure on the angle of the torch in that shot.

Those people also claiming to post 'identical' pictures of the torch from another screenshot - look CLOSELY at the flames. They are NOT identical.

In the end.
Fake or No,
It's still cool
And it still has revamped the zelda hype.

Who honestly cares ? ;)

[mouseclicked]

It is indeed a fake. And I have proof!

Hyrule.net admitted it. (http://hyrule.net/?get=newsview&date=1278&lan=en)

Kinda makes the people who bashed the skeptics look a bit silly now, eh?

-Moses

[Sl1pstream]

That text makes me want to stab myself.

[JazGalaxy]

It is indeed a fake. And I have proof!

Hyrule.net admitted it. (http://hyrule.net/?get=newsview&date=1278&lan=en)

Kinda makes the people who bashed the skeptics look a bit silly now, eh?

-Moses

Not nearly as silly as the people who play thorugh Z:TP complaining the whole time that it's fake becuase the torches all flicker the same...

[ezra]

I wasnt bashing criticism of the picture. I was bashing the critics reasons for thinking its a fake. Like I said above, I think the most telling part of this was the way in that it was 'released' to the net. Not some torch.

[Wedge]

Kinda makes the people who bashed the skeptics look a bit silly now, eh?


This is the internet. Nobody is ever going to admit that they were even remotely wrong, and as you can see the bashing of those that found the same angle, same frame animation torch highly suspicious merrily continues. :cool:

[Cubfan]

I still think its real.

[ElPresidente]

Amazing what people will do to bring traffic to their site in the hopes of seeming important for a day or two.

[JRR006]

Hmm, I had never heard of the site before today, and I can comfortably say I'll probably never bother with them again. I don't need the next Zelda game to sustain my lifeforce or anything, truthfully I'm much more excited about Metal Gear Solid 4 (Few details! Nothing set in stone! Damned exciting!), but that sort of attention whoring makes me want to hit some peoples.

[WastelandDan]

what a bunch of assholes

[Segaholic2]

That whole spiel about "revealing love for TP" or whatever pissed me off. What a load of crap.

[ElectricMonk]

Instead of "igniting the love of hyrule in my heart" this has made me hate nintendo fans even more.

[mr. murphy]

When a "news" site does something like this, they lose all credibility. Hyrule.net tried to play it like they were doing us all a favor by lying to us. What a great way to alienate your readers.

[Lord Dongkey]

That text makes me want to stab myself.

I second that.

It reads like someone who had their thumb up their asshole and were twiddling it around while spouting romance novel bullshit.

I am not impressed.

/stab /stab

[Adam Blue]

hahahaha. I am in no way a hater, but this was obvious. I was just trying to back up the original poster of the link to the forum...but you all got way too flamey.

Didn't someone even try to explain why it had to be real? Hahahahaha.

[Achilles]

What I don’t understand is that if you were going to fake a screenshot wouldn’t you want to make it of something interesting? Like perhaps Link floating next to a black monolith orbiting Saturn, or link running through the grass ‘Honey I Shrunk the Kids’ style.