DOA 4 update via Xbox Live! has been released

[Everlost_MI]

Major Nelson (http://www.majornelson.com/) has posted (http://www.majornelson.com/2006/03/03/doa-4-auto-update/) on his blog that a mandatory auto update for Dead of Alive 4 has been released.

In addition, the leader boards are being reset. I’ll dig around and see if I can get more information to share.
I haven't fired up my 360 yet to see what the download addresses in DOA4.

[Lon Lon Rabbit]

PLLEEEAAAASE improve the netcode.
No one in Australia/New Zealand has this game yet so 90% of the games I join end up laggy, and those are the ones with very limited room size.

[Rirath]

Just picked up DOA4, though I haven't actually got my system just quite yet, it's held. Hopefully next week I'll be playing. Interesting to know what the changes are.

[Sophism]

I happened to log onto DOA4 last night for the first time in a month, so I got the update.

You get to reset your leaderboard standing once at a time of your choice.

Other than that, I saw no change whatsoever. The lag was just as strikingly bad, we still froze at victory pose screens for 30+ seconds, and sometimes upon joining a match, one will see an oh-so-nice black screen of death forcing them to reset their 360.

If there were improvements, I was not able to see them.

[Lon Lon Rabbit]

Damnit that sucks!
The game is so nicely pollished in all ways EXCEPT the horrible horrible netcode.
Oh, and except for the AI, which is the whole reason why the online portion of the game is so crucial, yet 50% of the time it's unplayable.

[Watership]

Damnit that sucks!
The game is so nicely pollished in all ways EXCEPT the horrible horrible netcode.
Oh, and except for the AI, which is the whole reason why the online portion of the game is so crucial, yet 50% of the time it's unplayable.

I have only noticed lag occasionally.. like one game in twenty. Yet my friends complain its almost every game. I can't figure it out.

[bapenguin]

yeah, I've rarely gotten the lag. Of course, I usually play with people on my friends list, so that could attribute to it.

[maharahaj]

[QUOTE=Bionic]Other than that, I saw no change whatsoever. The lag was just as strikingly bad, we still froze at victory pose screens for 30+ seconds, and sometimes upon joining a match, one will see an oh-so-nice black screen of death forcing them to reset their 360.QUOTE]

The exact problems I was hoping would be rectified.

Am i interpretting that the 30+ sec. victory poses do eventually lead back to gameplay, cause I've always assumed they were another way the system locked up like the all black screen lockup?

[Hellstorm]

Does the patch lift the game above medicore and atleast into the territory of being taken seriously like Tekken, VF, and SF?

[thecrazyd]

Does the patch lift the game above medicore and atleast into the territory of being taken seriously like Tekken, VF, and SF?
Whoa now... people take Tekken seriously?

[Achilles]

Does the patch lift the game above medicore and atleast into the territory of being taken seriously like Tekken, VF, and SF?Hardcore fight game fans love to mention how DOA isn't a 'real' fight game every time it comes up, that's for sure.

[Heretic Machine]

Hardcore fight game fans love to mention how DOA isn't a 'real' fight game every time it comes up, that's for sure.

Ya, those same people say the same thing about Smash Brothers. So fuck the elitist bastards and their crappy herky-jerky fighting games.

[sol740]

Ya, those same people say the same thing about Smash Brothers. So fuck the elitist bastards and their crappy herky-jerky fighting games.


A-fuckingMEN.

"Soul caliber has 5,500 moves per character and 4,800 ways to parry and defend per stance"

BLAH BLAH BLAH. I honestly don't think Soul Caliber sux or anything cause it doesn't. I owned it on Dreamcast and Xbox but I had just as much fun with DOA3/4. Yes it is the more in depth game, but I have more fun passing the controller around with my boyz playing DOA than any other fighting game I can think of. And yes there is the TNA factor. I admit it, I think I love Kasumi.

[ElPresidente]

Yes DOA isn't as deep as fighters out there like SC2, VF4Evo (which in turn aren't as deep as certain 2D fighters such as Guilty Gear so those people who like to bag DOA in favour of Tekken, et al can blow it out their arse :P) but that doesn't mean the game is a failure a fighter because of that. The game is deep enough that a person who knows the title can beat out a button masher each time and there is some genuine skill involved in starting juggles, continuing combos and busting out counters.

Anyone who says any different is an elitist turd. :D

For the record I do prefer SC to DOA but that doesn't make DOA bad... far from it.

[Achilles]

I agree with the last three posts :D

I’ve also had a good time watching the videos uploaded by the top people on the leader boards. DoA4 at high levels is some pretty badass stuff.

[Lon Lon Rabbit]

Yeah, just because the size of the movelists is bigger does not mean that they are any more "real" of a fighting game. Smash brothers was mentioned, and while that may look like a huge button bashing fest (and it can be with 4 new players) it is actually an incredible amount more deep than people give it credit for. There are lots of advanced techniques in this game, many similar to "real fighting game" techniques (crouch cancelling, recovery speeders) aswell as some unique ones (wave dashing, item catching in ground and air) which allow the game to be played up at some insane and serious tournament worthy levels.

[Achilles]

Concerning the T&A factor; ever since Chun-Li bounced onto the screen in SF and was up-staged by Cammy (who's widely considered a ho), part of fighting games has been cool looking characters, and T&A. Every fight game has them, or tries to, except for VF. Folks talk about the boob physics in DOA as if it's a knock on the game, but then will play as Taki or perform a Heaven and Hell maneuver with Sophitia and not bat an eye. It’s absurd to knock DOA just because it does it arguably better.

[codswallop]

Concerning the T&A factor ... Every fight game has them, or tries to, except for VF. Folks talk about the boob physics in DOA as if it's a knock on the game
I think it's a knock on the industry. Why can't game developers grow up and stop trying to target lonely males and teenagers with such stupid tactics?

And people wonder why video games aren't taken seriously. Not trying to bash DOA or anyone here, but really, the gaming industry needs to have a long, hard look at itself if it wants to mature.

[Achilles]

And people wonder why video games aren't taken seriously. Not trying to bash DOA or anyone here, but really, the gaming industry needs to have a long, hard look at itself if it wants to mature.This is interesting. I find the type of T&A in DoA to be cute, not sexy, not smutty. I find it strange that people will go after DOA:XBV which has this cute sort of cheesecake in it, but the same people will ignore that GoW has a sex mini-game, and the breasts of every woman you meet exposed. Not that I'm saying you have those opinions, but I'd be curious, if you do, why.

[Heretic Machine]

I think it's a knock on the industry. Why can't game developers grow up and stop trying to target lonely males and teenagers with such stupid tactics?

Ya, because you have to be lonely to enjoy T&A in a video game :rolleyes:

[Goronmon]

I think it's a knock on the industry. Why can't game developers grow up and stop trying to target lonely males and teenagers with such stupid tactics?
I'm fairly certain its not just lonely guys who enjoy T&A...

[Mozain]

Ah I am going to have to disagree with alot of this. I own DOA 4, and bought an X-box 360 just to play it. But I don't think its that a great a fighter at all. I just have money to spend on frivilous things like this, and while I enjoy playing it with friends, it most certainly is of the highest Caliber of Button Mashing (Much like Bloody Roar, and while I love that too, Its just above DOA). Smash Bros I would not call a fighter, but it certainly is a great game. Before I bought it my friend had it, and I button mashed my way to victory each time (And he loves DOA, pretty much the only fighter he enjoys alot, along side Street Fighter). It simply is not a deep game, but it requires skill to master (Specific moves which I will not mention because I hate them lol) yet you can beat a master with a few well timed mashes and some luck. And the counter system definatly takes it away from the "Harcore" range.

[RandomViolence]

Does the patch lift the game above medicore and atleast into the territory of being taken seriously like Tekken, VF, and SF?

This is after you've played the game, right?

[Megalith]

VF T&A = Sarah and Vanessa

[Heretic Machine]

And the counter system definatly takes it away from the "Harcore" range.

Funny, considering how many people complain about having diffculty countering...

[Lon Lon Rabbit]

Yeah I think the current counter system is good, it's complex enough that if a good player knows how to mix up their combos so they're not repetitively attacking a particular type and height then it's pretty hard to counter.

[Rirath]

This is interesting. I find the type of T&A in DoA to be cute, not sexy, not smutty. I find it strange that people will go after DOA:XBV which has this cute sort of cheesecake in it, but the same people will ignore that GoW has a sex mini-game, and the breasts of every woman you meet exposed. Not that I'm saying you have those opinions, but I'd be curious, if you do, why.

Amen brother. DoA Volleyball just made me grin ear to ear playing it, it was so ridiculously cute. DoA practically defines the cute genre, without sacrificing gameplay, yet I've a friend who still sees it as little more than game porn. I wish more games would be like DoA and GoW, in that they know what they want to do and they don't bow down to pressure.

To "mature" does not mean one needs to stop enjoying the simple things in life. If anything I believe it means one needs to accept it as is and not fall into either the "ZOMGBOOBIES!" or the "Eww, breast psychics. How low-brow." categories. Oh, and Chun-Li rocks. :D

[overdrivechao]

Hardcore fight game fans love to mention how DOA isn't a 'real' fight game every time it comes up, that's for sure.

It's a real fighting game. Its just that the Dreamcast version was what, 7 years ago, and this one is pretty and all but it doesn't look $60 worth of different.

[EGO]

Hopefully they fix the nasty bug in this game, the gameplay!

It's impossible to block, the AI is SUPER CHEAP!

Here's hoping, but I doubt it, since they shipped it broken and all of the fanboi's gave it 9's.

[ElPresidente]

O_o

Impossible to block? What on Earth are you smoking? Just hold the block button (free button) to block all mid and high attacks (except very high attacks which will get past the block, these need to be ducked or countered) and press down while holding block to block low attacks and duck very high ones.

And super cheap AI? Once again I ask what vapours you are inhaling? The AI is quite easy, the only cheap character being Kasumi's clone thingamy but that is expected with all DOA titles. They have always had cheap bosses.

It sounds like your blaming the game for your lack of skill at it.

PLLEEEAAAASE improve the netcode.
No one in Australia/New Zealand has this game yet so 90% of the games I join end up laggy, and those are the ones with very limited room size.

Add ElPrezAU to your friends list if you want Lon. I too am feeling the plight of being one of the only people in Australia playing on a 360.

[MasterKwan]

Here I am, married, kids, successful business. I think I'm mature enough. I'll buy any game with decent T&A simply because I like T&A. It's a factor in my purchase decisions. "Game play ain't so hot, but the boob animation's pretty good" so, I'll give it a try.

Games are by their nature pretty shallow. Why you'd expect more from a game, I can't figure out. It's a GAME. It's designed to waste time in an interesting way. It has no inherent value, it doesn't make you a better person. It's no different than wasting time in front of the TV. I like my games, like my TV shows to have some sex appeal.

I'd expect that most people who object to sex appeal/T&A in games are confused. Either confused by their own sexuality or perhaps have been brainwashed in a liberal college to feel guilt about objectification of women. When you talk about the "lonely gamer getting off on T&A", I suspect you're just projecting you own feelings on others. Either that or you're just too young to know better.

[ElPresidente]

While I have no issues with T&A like MasterKwan here I think it is unfair to write-off games & TV of being more than just a way to waste time.

They can be that but they can also be much more... I like a mix... A Serious Sam for every Planescape: Torment.

[Schnoogs]

Rented this game...played it for 10 mins then tossed it aside.

Give me Street Fighter any day...this game was a yawnfest.

[MasterKwan]

Haha, issues!

So, ElPresidente how do games and TV make you a better person? Are you learning a foreign language or learning to code or perhaps feeding the hungry? From the standpoint of bettering yourself or making the world a better place, they're completely useless. So what does that make them? Nothing deeper than another form of Entertainment.

I play tons of games and watch way too much anime but, I know that I'm wasting time that could be better spent fixing up the house or doing something meaningful. I'm not saying it's not fun but, playing games is as empty of any real meaning as watching a soap opera on TV.

[Heretic Machine]

It's a real fighting game. Its just that the Dreamcast version was what, 7 years ago, and this one is pretty and all but it doesn't look $60 worth of different.

People say the same thing about every other fighting game series. But those of us who enjoy these series, stick with them. We don't want them to be drastically different from their predecessors, if we did then we'd just play another series. We just want more content, more content, and MORE CONTENT. Oh, and better graphics of course.

[Sensei-X]

Hmm, downloaded the update, and now the subtitle text appears too low on the screen, so much I can't read it any more. Guess it doesn't really matter, but it was fine before and now it's broken.

[ElPresidente]

Haha, issues!

So, ElPresidente how do games and TV make you a better person? Are you learning a foreign language or learning to code or perhaps feeding the hungry? From the standpoint of bettering yourself or making the world a better place, they're completely useless. So what does that make them? Nothing deeper than another form of Entertainment.

I play tons of games and watch way too much anime but, I know that I'm wasting time that could be better spent fixing up the house or doing something meaningful. I'm not saying it's not fun but, playing games is as empty of any real meaning as watching a soap opera on TV.

Keep in mind I'm not saying every game is more than just empty entertainment but I think you are unfairly limiting the possibilities of the media.

There are games out there that make you question things (Planescape: Torment and its whole focus on what makes a person a certain way), learn things (Metal Gear Solid provides more than ample information on post cold way nuclear dissarmament and the incumbant issues), discuss various soci--political concepts (The Ultima series dealt with ethics vs morality, the effect of mixing church and state to the point the government legislates morality, etc), basic history (Civilization, Gettysburg, Rome: Total War and more)... there are even some games which delve right into Theology such as The Neverhood.

Now I'm not saying these games are enjoyed primarily for their non-gaming value but they are far from empty entertainment... some (far from all) games have enough meat to them that they go beyond wasted time.

And that is without looking at the skill development games allow for... hand eye coordination, building of problem solving skills, etc.